Chadwick Boseman on Black Panther rumors ala PAUL RUDD

[StarkyStark]

3:34 mark

you will laugh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptJ04oATYu8

i say he is already the KING of WAKANDA

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

I want a African T'Challa. Its very important to get this right a African nation untouched by white people and propsered aftet keeping its natural resources. This is a game changer I hope they do this right

 

[eon001]

I want a African T'Challa. Its very important to get this right a African nation untouched by white people and propsered aftet keeping its natural resources. This is a game changer I hope they do this right

This is why I've been rallying for Chiwetel Ejiofor and Nonso Anozie. Both seasoned actors with African parentage. Strong ties to the continent. I've seen them both pull off convincing african accents in previous roles.

However I've already accepted the fact that there most likely going to go for the "hot new" actor in Boseman. Cheaper younger actor to invest in. Especially if "Draft day" and "get on up" are a success. He seems incredible talented to be fair, and could pull off a decent T'challa.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I agree. Ejiofor is perfect for the role.

Boseman wouldn't be bad either though.

 

[DrCosmic]

Boseman would be great. I think it's more important to get a great actor who can bring T'Challa to life in a charming compelling way, than just being African for the sake of being African. Besides, I don't think anyone's actually choosing Africans, but British guys with African last names. I don't really see how that's any better for the movie itself.

That said, Chiwetel is still THE choice, because of what he's done, not how recently his lineage was in Africa. If his name was Brian Gallagher, he'd still be THE choice.

I want a African T'Challa. Its very important to get this right a African nation untouched by white people and propsered aftet keeping its natural resources. This is a game changer I hope they do this right

Yeah, no one's figured out how to make a likeable isolationist nation. See Atlantis, Themyscira, Attilan, Latveria and while we're at it, Cuba, North Korea, and Iran. You can have an isolationist powerful nation, or a likeable powerful nation, but not both. Something about people who say 'I'm better than you and I don't need anyone' is a turn off, rather than a game changer, for some reason.

I think the focus for a Black Panther movie should be on T'Challa, and that Wakanda should be toned down adapted in many of the same ways that Asgard and Stark Industries were.

But these are things I've said before in The EVERYTHING Black Panther Thread

 

[terry78]

I really want Boseman to be a leading character in a DC flick, someone like Black Lightning, Cyborg, Mr. Terrific. Though I feel like DC will be even further behind the curve than Marvel regarding a lead black character.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Boseman would be great. I think it's more important to get a great actor who can bring T'Challa to life in a charming compelling way, than just being African for the sake of being African. Besides, I don't think anyone's actually choosing Africans, but British guys with African last names. I don't really see how that's any better for the movie itself.

That said, Chiwetel is still THE choice, because of what he's done, not how recently his lineage was in Africa. If his name was Brian Gallagher, he'd still be THE choice.



Yeah, no one's figured out how to make a likeable isolationist nation. See Atlantis, Themyscira, Attilan, Latveria and while we're at it, Cuba, North Korea, and Iran. You can have an isolationist powerful nation, or a likeable powerful nation, but not both. Something about people who say 'I'm better than you and I don't need anyone' is a turn off, rather than a game changer, for some reason.

I think the focus for a Black Panther movie should be on T'Challa, and that Wakanda should be toned down adapted in many of the same ways that Asgard and Stark Industries were.

But these are things I've said before in The EVERYTHING Black Panther Thread

It doesn't have to be that. They can be isolated because of what has happened to the rest of Africa. All the other countries with Gold/Oil/Diamonds/Etc have been ripped apart and taken from the African's. They can be isolated out of fear of losing the Vibranium

 

[DrCosmic]

That's the same thing. You've given the same reason all the isolationist nations, both real and fictional, separate themselves, and it doesn't make them any less disliked. The world sucks, but no one likes the guy who says 'screw everyone else, I'm going to keep all my goodies to myself.' It makes sense, but it's not liked. Plus, if their goodies are really that good, then they end up better than everyone else, and they don't need anyone or share. It goes to the same thing.

In reality, entities - whether individuals or organizations or whole countries, advance by sharing and by trade, exchange. To have a large group of people circumvent that in a way that is both realistic and compelling may not be possible, or at least, there may be no one alive who knows how to do that even in a fictional setting.

It'd be different if Wakanda had opened it's borders after imperialism toned down, but no, they're still on that 'we don't want outsiders to set foot on our grounds.' They're not likeable people. The audience knows, on some level, that if they were to go there, they'd be treated poorly, so why should they care if T'Challa saves them or not?

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

In that case I feel T'Chaka can be entrenched in tbe old ways. But T'Challa being of the younger generation and being educated around the world can be the one who temporarily opens up Wakanda to help The Avengers.

 

[DrCosmic]

So, then the audience likes T'Challa (he's cool enough to open them up), but not the rest of Wakanda. I had similar ideas.

How do you have T'Challa close up the borders to everyone (not just evil bad guys) in a way that the audience can relate to? Or do you just leave the borders open, as T'Challa has torn his people from their fear?

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Everything changes if they make Ultron body made up of a pure vibranium and then upcoming threat of Thanos. The whole world needs to unite at that point imo

 

[DrCosmic]

Well, yeah, including Black Panther a supporting hero in the Avengers franchise is relatively easy.

 

[seishin87]

So, then the audience likes T'Challa (he's cool enough to open them up), but not the rest of Wakanda. I had similar ideas.

How do you have T'Challa close up the borders to everyone (not just evil bad guys) in a way that the audience can relate to? Or do you just leave the borders open, as T'Challa has torn his people from their fear?

This is very interesting stuff. The isolationist issue with Wakanda allows the storytellers to explore some real world topics. Even though Wakanda is fictional, there are many "isolated" real world Nations/states i.e Cuba, North Korea, Iran, etc I know they are all for the most part perceived and portrayed as "bad guys" in the west. That is very real concern in portraying Wakanda as "isolated". Although perhaps a better example might be China before the 1970s. There is also the fact that the real world history of Africa makes the whole idea of Wakanda somewhat unique in that one could argue that their "isolationist" stance is somewhat justified in their case. Also you have to consider they do have a unique resource, the vibranium which if it were to fall into the wrong hands would upset the global balance of power.

There's the other side of the coin that they could and should use these issues to their advantage and have the plot address these things head on. Iron man 1 and 2 had Tony involved with his company and political and real world parallels and then they kinda turn it on it's head with Tony going 180 and abandoning weapons development. I could see Wakanda's "isolation" justified historically in that they would not let the march of imperialism and colonialism overtake them while most of the continent was enslaved and plundered. Then perhaps during WW2 maybe attempt by a HYDRA unit armed with those Cube powered Death rays was enough to make Wakanda totally loss faith/trust in the Modern world and have continued to remain "isolated" even through contemporary times. Now they can send T'Challa out into modern world perhaps to explore/reconnoiter/act as an advanced scout post- Avengers. Maybe the Chitauri invasion had repercussions on Wakanda that we are yet unaware of or they had been monitoring what was going on in the outside world and feel it's time to start opening up to unite with the outside world in light of the cosmic/global threats.

I think the whole multinational/corporate imperialism will play a role, maybe with some evil corp/group perhaps Roxxon or AIM might back some kind of coup in Wakanda or maybe give support to a villain like Klaw, with perhaps Stark Industries playing some kind of role as the "good guy" company. After all it is still a comic book film and set in the MCU. They could have some fun with things like that.

 

[XBRoughneck]

Bobby Obodo

Have him in Cap 3...then his own title as BP.

 

[eon001]

Besides, I don't think anyone's actually choosing Africans, but British guys with African last names. I don't really see how that's any better for the movie itself.

Well there is difference. Most British raised Africans like myself, have traditional African parentage, stronger ties to the continent, culture etc.
They wouldn't have to spend hours with a voice coach. The African accent isn't easy, but it come's natural to the likes of Chiwetel Ejiofor (Half of a Yellow Sun), Nonso Anozie (Conan, plays an African war lord), Idris Elba etc.
I agree that it wont necessarily make for a better T'challa, but it would certainly be an advantage.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Bobby Obodo

Have him in Cap 3...then his own title as BP.

Who?

 

[DrCosmic]

Well there is difference. Most British raised Africans like myself, have traditional African parentage, stronger ties to the continent, culture etc.
They wouldn't have to spend hours with a voice coach. The African accent isn't easy, but it come's natural to the likes of Chiwetel Ejiofor (Half of a Yellow Sun), Nonso Anozie (Conan, plays an African war lord), Idris Elba etc.
I agree that it wont necessarily make for a better T'challa, but it would certainly be an advantage.

It's can be an advantage if they already have an African accent. I don't agree that we should count out guys who may have to spend a few hours with a voice coach. I think that would be shortsighted.

This is very interesting stuff. The isolationist issue with Wakanda allows the storytellers to explore some real world topics. Even though Wakanda is fictional, there are many "isolated" real world Nations/states i.e Cuba, North Korea, Iran, etc I know they are all for the most part perceived and portrayed as "bad guys" in the west. That is very real concern in portraying Wakanda as "isolated". Although perhaps a better example might be China before the 1970s. There is also the fact that the real world history of Africa makes the whole idea of Wakanda somewhat unique in that one could argue that their "isolationist" stance is somewhat justified in their case. Also you have to consider they do have a unique resource, the vibranium which if it were to fall into the wrong hands would upset the global balance of power.

There's the other side of the coin that they could and should use these issues to their advantage and have the plot address these things head on. Iron man 1 and 2 had Tony involved with his company and political and real world parallels and then they kinda turn it on it's head with Tony going 180 and abandoning weapons development. I could see Wakanda's "isolation" justified historically in that they would not let the march of imperialism and colonialism overtake them while most of the continent was enslaved and plundered. Then perhaps during WW2 maybe attempt by a HYDRA unit armed with those Cube powered Death rays was enough to make Wakanda totally loss faith/trust in the Modern world and have continued to remain "isolated" even through contemporary times. Now they can send T'Challa out into modern world perhaps to explore/reconnoiter/act as an advanced scout post- Avengers. Maybe the Chitauri invasion had repercussions on Wakanda that we are yet unaware of or they had been monitoring what was going on in the outside world and feel it's time to start opening up to unite with the outside world in light of the cosmic/global threats.

I think the whole multinational/corporate imperialism will play a role, maybe with some evil corp/group perhaps Roxxon or AIM might back some kind of coup in Wakanda or maybe give support to a villain like Klaw, with perhaps Stark Industries playing some kind of role as the "good guy" company. After all it is still a comic book film and set in the MCU. They could have some fun with things like that.

It *is* interesting, isn't it? If you recall, pre 1970's China was also dubbed 'yellow peril' and all manner of evil communist things. If you'd like to explore how in the real world these isolationist countries are perceived as evil but actually are not, that could be incredibly interesting, but I don't think the MCU is ready for topics that heavy, at least, not anywhere near overtly.

I don't think it plays well to have Wakanda judge the whole world based on the Nazis/HYDRA. I think that's incredibly insulting. "How do we know that everyone won't be just like Hitler?" It'd be different if Wakanda was devastated during one of these conflcits, then you could understand the kind of 'never again' emotional resopnse, but to simply look, and be objective and still say 'these people are very bad, therefore we have zero tolerance for all outsiders' that's not justified by a few European countries being arses.

If you want to mimic Iron Man 1, then T'Challa is the one who points out that what Wakanda has been doing is dumb and borderline evil, and he immediately flips in on its head, and throws the borders wide open, revealing Wakanda do the world. That would use the issue to their advantage, as immediately we'd see that T'Challa is admirable and courageous and is learning to do what he thinks is right, even when it goes against centuries of tradition.

But no amount of HYDRA will make it cool to tell everyone who's not a Nazi to go jump in a lake.

 

[Dr. Evil]

How about making Wakanda "The Switzerland of Africa?"

As for Chadwick Boseman, he would be a decent option for BP, but I am still going for Chiwetel Ejiofor because of his body of work.

 

[Dr. Evil]

It doesn't have to be that. They can be isolated because of what has happened to the rest of Africa. All the other countries with Gold/Oil/Diamonds/Etc have been ripped apart and taken from the African's. They can be isolated out of fear of losing the Vibranium

Not necessarily. They could have been able to prevent colonization by swinging a deal with the British, French, Germans, Belgians, Spanish, Italians and Portuguese. By 1900, all but two African countries, Ethiopia and Liberia (although Ethiopia was invaded by the Italians in 1936) were colonized by the Europeans, with the much weakened Ottoman Empire in control of parts of North Africa.

I think Wakanda could work if instead of going the isolationist format, go instead for the "Switzerland of Africa" format.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Yeah, no one's figured out how to make a likeable isolationist nation. See Atlantis, Themyscira, Attilan, Latveria and while we're at it, Cuba, North Korea, and Iran. You can have an isolationist powerful nation, or a likeable powerful nation, but not both. Something about people who say 'I'm better than you and I don't need anyone' is a turn off, rather than a game changer, for some reason.

I think the focus for a Black Panther movie should be on T'Challa, and that Wakanda should be toned down adapted in many of the same ways that Asgard and Stark Industries were.

But these are things I've said before in The EVERYTHING Black Panther Thread

Would a "Switzerland of Africa" work for Wakanda? I think it might work.

 

[DrCosmic]

How about making Wakanda "The Switzerland of Africa?"

As for Chadwick Boseman, he would be a decent option for BP, but I am still going for Chiwetel Ejiofor because of his body of work.

Would you be pleased with a Wakanda that was publically known and accessed and didn't have the power to significantly change world conflict? T'Challa has done this a couple times in recent comics and fans didn't like it much. I wouldn't like it much, but it would work, I think.

 

[seishin87]

It *is* interesting, isn't it? If you recall, pre 1970's China was also dubbed 'yellow peril' and all manner of evil communist things. If you'd like to explore how in the real world these isolationist countries are perceived as evil but actually are not, that could be incredibly interesting, but I don't think the MCU is ready for topics that heavy, at least, not anywhere near overtly.

I don't think it plays well to have Wakanda judge the whole world based on the Nazis/HYDRA. I think that's incredibly insulting. "How do we know that everyone won't be just like Hitler?" It'd be different if Wakanda was devastated during one of these conflcits, then you could understand the kind of 'never again' emotional resopnse, but to simply look, and be objective and still say 'these people are very bad, therefore we have zero tolerance for all outsiders' that's not justified by a few European countries being arses.

If you want to mimic Iron Man 1, then T'Challa is the one who points out that what Wakanda has been doing is dumb and borderline evil, and he immediately flips in on its head, and throws the borders wide open, revealing Wakanda do the world. That would use the issue to their advantage, as immediately we'd see that T'Challa is admirable and courageous and is learning to do what he thinks is right, even when it goes against centuries of tradition.

But no amount of HYDRA will make it cool to tell everyone who's not a Nazi to go jump in a lake.

There would be a lot more to it than just simply HYDRA/Nazis and "How do we know that everyone won't be like Hitler?" isn't exactly where I was going with that. I should explain my perspective a little better. I specifically mention a possible HYDRA incursion using the Zola developed "Death Rays". For the most part the war with HYDRA has already been established as being a covert one. The general public for the most part would have no idea that there exists these sci-fi style weapons systems. As I also mentioned, it wouldn't be just the events of WW2. Wakanda would already be somewhat isolated, pristine having resisted the Imperial/Colonial expansions and retaining there own sovereignty.

Now it could be that perhaps some faction in Wakanda that wants more engagement with the outside is courted/misled/duped by the HYDRA, looking to access the Vibranium deposit. Then things go real sour with maybe T'Challa's Grandfather or Father getting assassinated and HYDRA uses it's Death Rays and cause quite a bit of death and destruction before being repelled. That would be Wakanda's first hand experience with WW2, but from afar they see the whole world engulfed in conflict with the culmination of the detonation of the atomic bomb. I could see them viewing that, how man will almost by nature will use scientific discoveries and miracles for destructive purposes, and the start of the Nuclear arms race/cold war as the pre-text needed to close off their borders to the outside world. And it's not unprecedented from a comics perspective where at least I know Cap has taken moral issue with the whole idea of nuclear weapons and their use in the second world war. That and the fact that Wakanda is unique in that it does have a resource that if it were to be exploited for nefarious purposes could upset the balance even more.

I guess at least for me I could see many plausible explainations to justify the Isolationist stance of Wakanda without making them come across as "bad guys". That's the thing. There is isn't really anything in modern times that is quite like the situation with Wakanda, and also Wakanda probably won't and shouldn't be portrayed as totalitarian/evil. There should be an element of the fantastical. That's part of the beauty of it. The very idea of Wakanda is kinda of a "What if?" hypothetical thing. It's idealized, contradicts reality but that's kinda what a lot of the fantasy of Marvel is all about. I mean we got Tony "military industrial" Stark and his Megacorp as the Good guys. For me it's contemporary fantasy and I can suspend the disbelief or at the very least plausibly justify certain things.

All that said, yes I do feel that T'Challa should be the one to go out into the world and see first hand how things are now and be the one to start changing things for his country, with Wakanda's entry onto the world stage playing a pivotal role in the plot.

 

[terry78]

I think he should be kind of an ass at first, then he slowly warms up to how everyone else on the planet isn't so bad, but he still has that kind of standoffish thing about him, like Namor kind of does.

 

[Ant-manic]

if he's T'challa, Boseman has my full support.

 

[smashmode]

Ejiolfor would be the perfect choice, especially if Marvel is wanting the Black Panther to be head of the 'New' Avengers.