The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Chanes of this beating SM2 Quality wise?

[MessiahDecoy123]

i think there are quite a few reasons why some didn't like TASM

1. it was very different to raimis in terms of action scenes and the character of peter parker and some were not expecting it

2. some are unable to accept change and are bitter that sony rebooted the franchise in general for money and are basically want to be able to say screw you sony you messed up now

3. some just didn't like it

You forgot the repeated origin story.

That was the most common complaint from the negative reviews.

 

[Green Goblin]

I'm sure the fact that Rami made SM3 (considered bad) had helped TASM.

No one was not liking it because it was a reboot but because the people at Sony thought re-doing the origin which was done 10 f***ing years ago.

Now I'm a big fan of TASM but you guysseriously are not suggesting that it was a perfect movie. No Spider-Man movie yet had reached it's true potential.

Even SM2 while a fantastic film on it's own is brought down for some of it's failures with sticking with the source material (not talking about Ock btw).

 

[GuestStar2004]

i prefer TASM to all of raimis films but one thing id say about the raimis films is that they did flow better while TASM sometimes felt like it struggled to keep itself together and whether that was down to webb, sony or script problems we don't know but overall i prefer webbs characters/cast, the grounded approach and some of the problems i had with the raimi films were fixed

 

[Green Goblin]

TASM2 should have:
Characters and Setting of TASM
No Camp like TASM
Cast of TASM

A story,villain and action as good as SM2

There you have a TDK quality SM movie

 

[Picard Sisko]

Spider-Man 2 is the Spider-Man equivalent of the Dark Knight IMO. So that has already been fulfilled in my eyes. Even TDK has some problems though, its not the flawless perfect film everyone makes it out to be.

Was TASM perfect? No, of course not. But it was still very good. I think TASM2 will be, at the very least, an improvement over the first film.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I think its going to be hard for TASM2 to beat SM2 quality wise as a standalone film. HOWEVER, I think the reboot franchise as a whole has the potential to be better than the Raimi films as a series.

TASM2 is going to determine the success of this franchise IMO, and will contribute more to the series as a whole than SM2 did since its less standalone.

 

[Green Goblin]

Spider-Man 2 is the Spider-Man equivalent of the Dark Knight IMO. So that has already been fulfilled in my eyes. Even TDK has some problems though, its not the flawless perfect film everyone makes it out to be.

Was TASM perfect? No, of course not. But it was still very good. I think TASM2 will be, at the very least, an improvement over the first film.

I think TDK is flawless. What flaw is in it?

 

[def28]

Not sure. Don't wanna put my expectations that high regardless. SM2 is close to perfection for me.

I think it definitely has a strong chance to kick the **** out of ASM 1.

 

[GuestStar2004]

i agree its bad to have high expectations that a movie will be better then an already popular movie because chances are the expectations will never live up to it or just be totally different to what you was expecting, but if you judge TASM2 on its own merits it would be alot better

 

[Green Goblin]

I will never get how SM2 is close to perfection

 

[Nathan]

I don't know, maybe as a Movie in general, but as a Spider-Man Movie, there is a lot of room for improvement. Like Spider-Man himself. It gives us great Spider-Man action, but not a great Spider-Man, if you know what I mean.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I think TDK is flawless. What flaw is in it?

These are just nitpicks, but a few problems I think the movie had that I could think of on the spot. I still love the film, but just pointing out that flaws are there IMO.

1. Rachel Dawes is an annoying character and acts completely different from the version in Batman Begins. Her death had little to no impact on me since I couldn't care less about her character.

2. The SWAT member kept spurting out a bunch of annoying one-liners, such as: "I didn't sign up for this!"

3. Batman is really uninteresting in this film if you ask me, and its more than him just being overshadowed by the Joker though. The character alone is just not that interesting, and he never really proved to be "The World's Greatest Detective" either. And don't get me started on that voice!

4. The movie takes itself too seriously at times, and never learns to have any fun, making me want to ask Nolan, "Why so serious?" The overuse of metaphors and analogies really got to me. At first, they sound really intelligent, but listening to them over and over again, I'm not sure if the writers even knew what they were saying. "Because he's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now...and so we'll hunt him...because he can take it...because he's not a hero...he's a silent guardian, a watchful protector...the Dark Knight". It just sounds cool I guess.

5. The Joker always has a plan, but half of the things he gets done in this film are just not believable. The bank heist for example... his plan heavily relied on his goons being reliable. And then driving a school bus out of the bank ending up in a line of other school buses without any issues. Sorry, don't buy it.

6. The Bruce/Rachel/Harvey love triangle. Never cared for it, never was interested in how it would turn out.

Not sure. Don't wanna put my expectations that high regardless.

I think it definitely has a strong chance to kick the **** out of ASM 1.

 

[Green Goblin]

My problems with SM2

Peter staying pre-bite (too much of a push over) he should have grown since high school
MJ I felt was not very well written
Not that many Spidey quips. SM1 had enough but here it felt dry

 

[def28]

i agree its bad to have high expectations that a movie will be better then an already popular movie because chances are the expectations will never live up to it or just be totally different to what you was expecting, but if you judge TASM2 on its own merits it would be alot better

Definitely. I really dig the crew here, and look forward to a film where Webb has his input since the start of the script. Everything I've seen looks great so far.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I don't know, maybe as a Movie in general, but as a Spider-Man Movie, there is a lot of room for improvement. Like Spider-Man himself. It gives us great Spider-Man action, but not a great Spider-Man, if you know what I mean.

This I can agree with. As a standalone film, objectively speaking, its fantastic. But as a Spider-Man movie, it certainly has room for improvement.

This is how I felt about The Dark Knight... great movie, but lacking a lot in what makes Batman such a great character.

 

[GuestStar2004]

i have many problems with SM2, never understood all the fuss personally

 

[Picard Sisko]

i have many problems with SM2, never understood all the fuss personally

Everyone sees things differently I suppose.

 

[iwontsaveu]

Was TASM perfect? No, of course not. But it was still very good. I think TASM2 will be, at the very least, an improvement over the first film.

^This

 

[chaseter]

TASM2 should have:
Characters and Setting of TASM
No Camp like TASM
Cast of TASM

A story,villain and action as good as SM2

There you have a TDK quality SM movie

There is going to be camp in every Spidey movie. Spider-Man is one of the cheesiest superheroes out there.

 

[Shikamaru]

I think Nolan and Webb gave me the exact opposite things.

Nolan made Batman films to their full quality potential, but Batman himself in those films films was not done to his full potential.

Webb did Spider-Man himself to his full potential, but has yet to make Spider-Man films that are done to their full quality potential.

 

[Naite22]

TASM2 could easily beat Raimi's spidey 2 as a film/as a whole. I just revisited both spidey 1 and 2 last night. And I gotta say, they're actually already much outdated in many areas. They're just too "sweet". They're so damn predictable, and I honestly see NO chemistry between Tobey's Peter and miss cock-tease MJ. Spiderman 2 was very good for it's time. But I gotta say, even Amazing 1 I actually think is a better film now. Lizard is a very poor cinematic villain and didn't blend in with the films tone, but besides that TASM is a better film than the old movies, imho. What Spidey 2 still has going for it, and what still has it holding up in ways is the fact that it does manage to reach somewhat epic proportions in certain scenes and ways... But seriously. I have very little doubt in my mind. Webb and co. is gonna make a a much stronger spidey franchise in the long run, and I truly believe that Amazing 2 is gonna KILL Raimi's oh-so-hailed-Spidey 2. Which by the way makes me remember. The extended Spidey 2's added scenes/altered scenes (such as the elevator sequence with that guy) does NOT make it a better movie. It actually draws it down to a more corny level! Also, J.J playing around in the spidey suit in his office = TRULY lame!! The added ACTION though, that is cool!! But otherwice they shouldn't have added or altered anything.

 

[chaseter]

What happens in 10 years when TASM is outdated?

 

[iwontsaveu]

TASM2 could easily beat Raimi's spidey 2 as a film/as a whole. I just revisited both spidey 1 and 2 last night. And I gotta say, they're actually already much outdated in many areas. They're just too "sweet". They're so damn predictable, and I honestly see NO chemistry between Tobey's Peter and miss cock-tease MJ...

she really was. It was also annoying how she would be upset that peter missed her plays, that sh** pissed me of so much.

 

[iwontsaveu]

What happens in 10 years when TASM is outdated?

I'll be eagerly waiting for the next spider-man movie. Unlike other fans, I don't hang onto the past.

 

[OcStat]

Onward and upward! It isn't like the old movies aren't on our shelf ready to be watched whenever we want right?