The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Chanes of this beating SM2 Quality wise?

[Picard Sisko]

TASM captures the spirit of USM very well: modern day Peter Parker in high school, Uncle Ben's responsibility speech, conspiracies coming out of Oscorp relating to Peter's parents and his origin as Spider-Man, etc.

Though it also borrows a large number of elements from the 616 comic books: Gwen being Peter's first love, Lizard's design, Lizard's plan, Flash being a Spider-Man fan, etc.

 

[Green Goblin]

TASM captures the spirit of USM very well: modern day Peter Parker in high school, Uncle Ben's responsibility speech, conspiracies coming out of Oscorp relating to Peter's parents and his origin as Spider-Man, etc.

Though it also borrows a large number of elements from the 616 comic books: Gwen being Peter's first love, Lizard's design, Lizard's plan, Flash being a Spider-Man fan, etc.

Everything you just said

 

[Picard Sisko]

The best thing about the USM inspiration IMO is how big of a role Oscorp plays in Peter's life. There is so much more going on behind closed doors that we don't know about.

BTW, I love your signature, Green Goblin.

 

[Shikamaru]

Well said. Though Peter Parker started out in high school in Amazing too.

 

[Green Goblin]

Well said. Though Peter Parker started out in high school in Amazing too.

Yes, but in this film there was a greater focus on his teenage life. It stayed in HS the whole time for a start.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

TASM has more stuff from the Lee/Ditko era than Ultimate stuff.

I'd say it's about 50/50.

TASM captures the spirit of USM very well: modern day Peter Parker in high school, Uncle Ben's responsibility speech, conspiracies coming out of Oscorp relating to Peter's parents and his origin as Spider-Man, etc.

Though it also borrows a large number of elements from the 616 comic books: Gwen being Peter's first love, Lizard's design, Lizard's plan, Flash being a Spider-Man fan, etc.

This.

 

[MrMaooz]

There's a nice chance.

 

[Nemeres]

It isn't holding back at all. TASM 2 already has plenty to make it ambitious and memorable (I.e. Electro's god-like nature and an epic Times Square fight).

But here you're talking about fight scenes, not necessarily a good story.

If Gwen will die in TASM 2, it will be either at the hands of Electro or GG. She shouldn't die at the hands of Electro since that would take away from the fact that GG is his archenemy and would water down their dynamic. If GG appears towards the end and kills Gwen, then it is a case of the story being shoehorned in.

In order to have Gwen's death leave as big of an impact as possible, it has to happen in TASM 3. It's way too early in TASM 2 especially if you consider they haven't dated for a long while yet.

We have

- a character we know is gonna die no matter what (Gwen)
- the villain who traditionally kills her (GG), with a big time actor cast in the role
- and (in my opinion) the absolute need to make a splash that makes up for the somewhat bland reception to the first film.

Not to mention that it's pretty much a given that she won't die in the classic bridge scene, considering that would be a rip off of SM1's climax... so the "classic" Gwen death, in the strictest sense of the word, is already out the window.

As for the death being shoehorned... well, we know very little about the story, and barely anything about Norman's role, which is bound to be substantial, considering who they cast. Who's to say he's not more involved than we speculate. Norman doesn't have to be in Goblin mode to kill her. She can be his first victim post-transformation, and the Goblin as an actual foe could be left for the next film.

 

[Nemeres]

Also... it's interesting that they mention Peter's failure to keep his promise to stay away from Gwen, in the official synopsis no less. The objective could be to show that choices have consequences. And we know very well what they are...

 

[Vid Electricz]

TASM captures the spirit of USM very well: modern day Peter Parker in high school, Uncle Ben's responsibility speech, conspiracies coming out of Oscorp relating to Peter's parents and his origin as Spider-Man, etc.

Though it also borrows a large number of elements from the 616 comic books: Gwen being Peter's first love, Lizard's design, Lizard's plan, Flash being a Spider-Man fan, etc.

Funny thing, SM1 was being worked on around the same time that UMS#1 was released. Raimi took a lot of ideas/inspiration from USM (Peter getting bit on a field trip, Peter and Harry as friends in high school, etc...) and then, once SM1 was out, USM started taking other ideas/inspiration from it (The Green Goblin throwing Mary Jane off the bridge is almost a direct rip from SM1).

So SM1 and USM borrowed a lot of ideas from each other. But now, suddenly TASM is just like USM? I guess it's very easy to make a direct comparison like that, but other than it being set in "modern times" (USM came out before SM1 even. lol. "modern"), there aren't a ton of similarities. Sure it borrows some from USM, some from ASM and some are completely new. "The TASM is an adaptation of USM is" idea is flawed.

 

[Shikamaru]

The bridge scene being out the window is entirely your assumption. There is no concrete evidence to point to that being out the window yet. On the contrary, there is evidence against that. They're already foreshadowing the bridge scene based on the photos we've seen. And it wouldn't be a ripoff of SM1's climax. One, that would be 14 years after SM1. Two, it would be handled a lot better (more mature, darker, plus a better twist because the girl will actually die).

Not really a fan of the idea of Norman killing Gwen as just Norman. It would take away from the overall impact and from Electro's status as the main villain IMO. It would be better to have the Goblin as an actual foe for the next film and have him do that instead IMO.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Also... it's interesting that they mention Peter's failure to keep his promise to stay away from Gwen, in the official synopsis no less. The objective could be to show that choices have consequences. And we know very well what they are...

This whole thing, to me, is baffling and honestly, so poorly thought out. Yes We all know Gwen's going to die and Peter's going to learn ANOTHER lesson (what exactly is the "lesson" he's meant to learn though? As we know he's going to get with Mary Jane eventually). it all just seems telegraphed for a moment of comic book fanservice (Gwen falling from the bridge, etc...).

 

[Picard Sisko]

As far as Peter ending up with MJ in the long run... lets cross that bridge when we get there. Gwen's death will the consequence of breaking Captain Stacy's promise, that's all we know right now.

Its possible that with MJ, she will say that death is a risk she is willing to take in order to be with Peter. His concern would be repeating history all over again, so he would most likely hesitate in the beginning. Though we know that MJ is supposed to comfort Peter after his loss, and then we get to see them fall in love with each other.

Let's assume Gwen dies in TASM3. If TASM4 is about the Sinister Six, we could see Peter dealing with the death of Gwen, but he does not go out with MJ at that point. If anything, that should not happen until the 5th movie IMO.

 

[Nemeres]

The bridge scene being out the window is entirely your assumption. There is no concrete evidence to point to that being out the window yet. On the contrary, there is evidence against that. They're already foreshadowing the bridge scene based on the photos we've seen. And it wouldn't be a ripoff of SM1's climax. One, that would be 14 years after SM1. Two, it would be handled a lot better (more mature, darker, plus a better twist because the girl will actually die).

Not really a fan of the idea of Norman killing Gwen as just Norman. It would take away from the overall impact and from Electro's status as the main villain IMO. It would be better to have the Goblin as an actual foe for the next film and have him do that instead IMO.

I'll give you that, it is an assumption... although I wouldn't call it an assumption as much as a hope, or faith in humanity, lol. It would be, uh, hard (to say the least) for the GA not to see that as a rip off. 14 years isn't 40 years. The effects hold up, and the scene was pretty dark in its own right, man, it had a teenage girl screaming for her life and being held by the friggin throat over a bridge. Come on.

Also, the Norman/Gwen thing: if the movie ended in that note of tragedy and soul-consuming revenge, that would make TASM 3 an ABSOLUTE must see, for reasons other than just "Hey, a new villain!" (Or even "Hey, six villains") It would be two years of giddy nail biting and foaming at the mouth just to see the badass moment when Peter finally came face to face with his gf's killer. But of course, that's just my take on it.

 

[OcStat]

The Ultimate book started before the film came out, in one of his introductions in one of the USM trades he mentioned he did get to see Spider-Man ahead of its release but when the film was finished. So he had been working on the book for some time at that point. The series was well on its way by the time the film actually came out. So if anything the movie took from Bendis not the other way around.

And I'd say both franchises take 50/50 from Amazing and Ultimate. Raimi really shouldn't have though, introducing MJ before Gwen set the series up to shoot itself in the foot at some point from the beginning.

 

[chaseter]

There's gonna go a lot more time by before TASM is outdated. And for instance, I don't think the first X-Men movie is outdated yet. It still holds up very well, and that one came before Spiderman, I might add. A film like X-Men Origins: Wolverine, was already outdated when it arrived in cinemas. TASM has a great style for a superhero flick, and it'll hold up better over the course of time than that of Raimi's original.

I think you don't know what outdated means.

TASM is not timeless by any means. It will not be a movie that people hearken back to in 25 years talking about it being the pinnacle of Spider-Man. It is in no way a ground breaker on any fronts. Once the next thing comes along, it will be forgotten. If you think opposite, then well, that's your opinion I suppose. If TASM2 is great (which most people seem to assume on here), then TASM is outdated instantly so there goes that.

X1 was outdated by X2. That's the vast consensus and X2 remains the definitive X-Men movie by most just as SM2 remains the definitive Spider-Man movie for most. Whether DoFP and TASM2 become the new definitive, only time will tell. I would be more than happy for DoFP and TASM2 to rock my socks off and become the new bar for those franchises but I don't hold my breath anymore. We will see when we get there.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Just because a sequel is better doesn't mean the predecessor will become outdated.

 

[Loki882]

What does "outdated" even mean exactly. It seems like different people have different ways of defining when a film is "outdated."

 

[Picard Sisko]

I guess "outdated" it is also a bit subjective. It means out-of-date, obsolete, aged, dated, as opposed to being current, modern, or timeless.

 

[chaseter]

Just because a sequel is better doesn't mean the predecessor will become outdated.

Yes it does...unless you are talking about it as a series. If you are talking about it as a movie, then yes it does. A better movie instantly makes the previous outdated in terms of quality as it has upped the bar and becomes the new standard. That doesn't mean the previous movie is now bad by any means, it just means that the bar has been raised. Outdated can mean many things such as pop references, dialogue, CGI, prop work, electronics, etc. as those things all evolve over time. Superman I for example is outdated in terms of CGI, references, etc. But, it is still a good movie and for many, hasn't been outdated by any other Superman movie as it is the definitive Superman movie for many. Most of it is opinion of course as each generation has their own favorite movies but if you want a lesser biased source then look at critical reviews.

 

[def28]

What does "outdated" even mean exactly. It seems like different people have different ways of defining when a film is "outdated."

I've always looked at it where a movie couldn't be released in the current year. Effects, tech, dialogue, soundtrack, catering to current pop culture, style trends all tend to show a movies age. If I showed someone who's never seen Superman, X1 or Spider-Man 1 and asked them when it was released they are not gonna say within the past 2 years. They look and feel old compared to the new breed and standard of comic films. Doesn't mean they are bad, but they show their age in some way. Some more then others.

 

[Tymminator]

I think this film is going to be very, very good, so I'll vote "Yes".

 

[psylockolussus]

The reason that TASM will age better than the Rami series is that it's based on the ultimate era (modern).

Rami based his on the Stan Lee era of the 1960's. That is a reason why there is camp.
The 60's were 50 years ago...

Hmmm I don't think TASM1 willl age better than Raimi series especially Sm2. Its just not the most rewatchable Spider-Man film, it also feels like an indie Spider-Man film especially the cinematography and the lack of campyness.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Hmmm I don't think TASM1 willl age better than Raimi series especially Sm2. Its just not the most rewatchable Spider-Man film, it also feels like an indie Spider-Man film especially the cinematography and the lack of campiness.

I'm sorry, but thats not true at all. Its not going to become dated for feeling like an indie Spider-Man film, or for lacking campiness. If anything, those elements, specifically the lack of campiness, will prevent it from aging as much as the Raimi films did.

Also, why are you comparing TASM1 to Raimi's series as opposed to just SM1?

 

[JOE]

This whole thing, to me, is baffling and honestly, so poorly thought out. Yes We all know Gwen's going to die and Peter's going to learn ANOTHER lesson (what exactly is the "lesson" he's meant to learn though? As we know he's going to get with Mary Jane eventually). it all just seems telegraphed for a moment of comic book fanservice (Gwen falling from the bridge, etc...).

Unbelievable, some people are never happy. It's "telegraphed for a moment of comic book fanservice", yet if they deviate from the source material then it isn't considered "true to the comics".