Chaos Magic is back????

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  1. Valechan Registered

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    Did he just said that Wanda has Chaos Magic??? Does this mean that Bendis' writing was babble like we all said??? Chaos Magic is back????
     
  2. Blader5489 CASUAL SEX!

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    Had.
     
  3. Valechan Registered

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    Has, I'll believe she has no more powers when she is threatened by a lightning bolt or something and she doesn't defend herself
     
  4. Darthphere Kneel before 'Drox!

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    Let me ask you this. At the end of the day, does it really matter?
     
  5. Valechan Registered

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    Everything matters when it comes to Wanda :D

    If we use that philosophy we should just jump out the window because nothing matters really :p
     
  6. TheCorpulent1 SHAZAM!

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    The Scarlet Witch is dead. Has been since her character assassination in Disassembled.

    Joe Q totally missed the point of the complaint against "it's magic, we don't need to explain it," too. Although, in his defense, the guy who asked the question didn't include the real complaint against it in his question either.
     
  7. Darthphere Kneel before 'Drox!

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    It really doesn't matter. Whatever is done is done. I mean, this is not the first time the whole "No Chaos Magic" thing has been refuted and in essence, "No More Mutants" is the epitome of chaos magic, even if Bendis doesn't want to call it that.
     
  8. Valechan Registered

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    Wanda isn't dead, she appeared in Avengers and in Endangered Species... she's living in Transia...
     
  9. TheCorpulent1 SHAZAM!

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    She's not really Wanda anymore.
     
  10. storyteller Registered

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    symbolic death . Though shes not depowered either.
     
  11. Xofenroht The Mad Moreno

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    Geez, don't you guys know? "Magic" is the excuse you use when you have no other way to explain it.
     
  12. BrianWilly Disciple of Whedon

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    Oh fck you. Fck you hard.
     
  13. TheCorpulent1 SHAZAM!

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    Maybe a writer might've been better in the EiC chair...
     
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    if i recall correctly it was established that there's no such thing as chaos magic. and the whole "no more mutants" was wanda using her reality warping abilities at an extreme level. my guess is that joey q made a simple mistake. of course the whole one more day thing is huge quagmire of b.s. but that's not the point.
     
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    There is the problem of Wanda not having reality altering powers though. She had probability altering powers. Not the same thing.
     
  16. BrianWilly Disciple of Whedon

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    I never really saw the difference.
     
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    Probability alteration allows the user to choose between the things that are possible. Reality alteration allows the user to change what is possible.
     
  18. 3dman27 super-hero wannabe

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    i thought it was just a phrase wanda used as an alternate to "hex powers"
     
  19. Valechan Registered

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    Long ago when she went crazy in West Coast Avengers it was established that her powers were altering reality, not probabilities. And yes spectre, Chaos Magic was said to not exist, that's why it surprises me that Joey Q now says it does exists...
     
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    One reasonable explanation would be that Chthon is tampering with her powers again. In a long ago Avengers arc it was revealed that it was Chthon who endowd Wanda with her magic potential in the first place. Throughout her life he tampered with her mutant powers temporarily in an attempt to get her to turn to magic to a great enough degree that he could use her to escape imprisonment in Wundagore mountain.
     
  21. SuperFerret King of the Urban Jungle

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    He never said that. Not after the retcon.
     
  22. Blader5489 CASUAL SEX!

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    I don't think it was a mistake; what Mephisto did in OMD was the same as what Wanda did in House of M.
     
  23. TheCorpulent1 SHAZAM!

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    No, it wasn't. Wanda changed one thing. Mephisto ostensibly changed one thing, but suddenly a whole bunch of other things changed as a result of that for no apparent reason. The issue isn't about magic being used as a deus ex machina; that's been done for ages. The issue is that Joe Q rushed a quick fix into place for a perceived problem without giving its ramifications due consideration.
     
  24. Blader5489 CASUAL SEX!

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    Which isn't an issue so long as those ramifications are addressed and explained in BND.
     
  25. TheCorpulent1 SHAZAM!

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    In terms of long-term continuity, no. Still, I can't understand how it doesn't piss the OMD supporters off that Joe Q, the EiC who's distinguished himself by claiming to champion story above all, just leaped into this fix of a personal issue he had with Spider-Man without giving the fallout of the story any consideration whatsoever. He claims he never said "it's magic, we don't have to explain it," and I actually believe him; but unless JMS was outright lying, Joe Q must've gotten something like that message across to JMS in their conversation. It's pretty disgraceful for a professional storyteller to be that flippant about basic storytelling concerns.
     

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