Chaos Magic is back????

[Valechan]

Audity Boy and Justice Gray asked essentially the same question. "How can you have so little respect for your audience to use the argument: 'It's magic, we don't need to explain it.' Audiences need to have something to cling to; we can have a suspension of belief that a character can swing from webs, but we need to have some explanation of the way the world works. Marvel has a very established Magical base, so it seems lazy to not come up with some explanation for your readers."

Hey, Sean, I didn’t say those words. But, here’s the thing, from what you’re saying here, it’s seems to me you’re splitting hairs. You can suspend belief for some things, but not others? I would completely agree with you if the Marvel U didn’t have magical based characters. I mean the Scarlet Witch said “no more mutants," and magically millions of mutants lost their powers because of “it.” “It” being “Chaos Magic.” While there is no explanation for Mephsito’s magic, is it any different than Doctor Strange’s or Wanda’s? Whenever they’ve done things, it seems that “it’s magic” is all the explanation fans have ever needed. So, not to be nit picky, but I don’t se the difference?

Did he just said that Wanda has Chaos Magic??? Does this mean that Bendis' writing was babble like we all said??? Chaos Magic is back????

 

[Blader5489]

Did he just said that Wanda has Chaos Magic???

Had.

 

[Valechan]

Has, I'll believe she has no more powers when she is threatened by a lightning bolt or something and she doesn't defend herself

 

[Darthphere]

Let me ask you this. At the end of the day, does it really matter?

 

[Valechan]

Everything matters when it comes to Wanda

If we use that philosophy we should just jump out the window because nothing matters really

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The Scarlet Witch is dead. Has been since her character assassination in Disassembled.

Joe Q totally missed the point of the complaint against "it's magic, we don't need to explain it," too. Although, in his defense, the guy who asked the question didn't include the real complaint against it in his question either.

 

[Darthphere]

It really doesn't matter. Whatever is done is done. I mean, this is not the first time the whole "No Chaos Magic" thing has been refuted and in essence, "No More Mutants" is the epitome of chaos magic, even if Bendis doesn't want to call it that.

 

[Valechan]

Wanda isn't dead, she appeared in Avengers and in Endangered Species... she's living in Transia...

 

[TheCorpulent1]

She's not really Wanda anymore.

 

[storyteller]

symbolic death . Though shes not depowered either.

 

[Xofenroht]

Geez, don't you guys know? "Magic" is the excuse you use when you have no other way to explain it.

 

[BrianWilly]

Whenever they’ve done things, it seems that “it’s magic” is all the explanation fans have ever needed. So, not to be nit picky, but I don’t se the difference?

Oh fck you. Fck you hard.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe a writer might've been better in the EiC chair...

 

[spectre]

if i recall correctly it was established that there's no such thing as chaos magic. and the whole "no more mutants" was wanda using her reality warping abilities at an extreme level. my guess is that joey q made a simple mistake. of course the whole one more day thing is huge quagmire of b.s. but that's not the point.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

There is the problem of Wanda not having reality altering powers though. She had probability altering powers. Not the same thing.

 

[BrianWilly]

I never really saw the difference.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

I never really saw the difference.

Probability alteration allows the user to choose between the things that are possible. Reality alteration allows the user to change what is possible.

 

[3dman27]

i thought it was just a phrase wanda used as an alternate to "hex powers"

 

[Valechan]

Long ago when she went crazy in West Coast Avengers it was established that her powers were altering reality, not probabilities. And yes spectre, Chaos Magic was said to not exist, that's why it surprises me that Joey Q now says it does exists...

 

[Silicon Surfer]

One reasonable explanation would be that Chthon is tampering with her powers again. In a long ago Avengers arc it was revealed that it was Chthon who endowd Wanda with her magic potential in the first place. Throughout her life he tampered with her mutant powers temporarily in an attempt to get her to turn to magic to a great enough degree that he could use her to escape imprisonment in Wundagore mountain.

 

[SuperFerret]

Long ago when she went crazy in West Coast Avengers it was established that her powers were altering reality, not probabilities. And yes spectre, Chaos Magic was said to not exist, that's why it surprises me that Joey Q now says it does exists...

He never said that. Not after the retcon.

 

[Blader5489]

if i recall correctly it was established that there's no such thing as chaos magic. and the whole "no more mutants" was wanda using her reality warping abilities at an extreme level. my guess is that joey q made a simple mistake. of course the whole one more day thing is huge quagmire of b.s. but that's not the point.

I don't think it was a mistake; what Mephisto did in OMD was the same as what Wanda did in House of M.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

No, it wasn't. Wanda changed one thing. Mephisto ostensibly changed one thing, but suddenly a whole bunch of other things changed as a result of that for no apparent reason. The issue isn't about magic being used as a deus ex machina; that's been done for ages. The issue is that Joe Q rushed a quick fix into place for a perceived problem without giving its ramifications due consideration.

 

[Blader5489]

The issue is that Joe Q rushed a quick fix into place for a perceived problem without giving its ramifications due consideration.

Which isn't an issue so long as those ramifications are addressed and explained in BND.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

In terms of long-term continuity, no. Still, I can't understand how it doesn't piss the OMD supporters off that Joe Q, the EiC who's distinguished himself by claiming to champion story above all, just leaped into this fix of a personal issue he had with Spider-Man without giving the fallout of the story any consideration whatsoever. He claims he never said "it's magic, we don't have to explain it," and I actually believe him; but unless JMS was outright lying, Joe Q must've gotten something like that message across to JMS in their conversation. It's pretty disgraceful for a professional storyteller to be that flippant about basic storytelling concerns.