The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Chris Cooper IS Norman Osborn

[Creator]

That's true, but I would keep the pressure on Sony/Webb to NOT go that route. Damn the Ultimate Comic Books' Green Goblin, before it's too late and there is no turning back.

 

[The Infernal]

What pressure? I think you're reading too much into Sony forcing Venom on Raimi. Nobody knows exactly how that went down or how much Sony may monitor fans input. I really doubt fans have that much input with Sony and Webb. They might keep an ear out for what's popular or what's like, but I doubt they're going to change things solely based on what a handful of people ask for on a fansite.

 

[Oscorp]

Ultimate Green Goblin (or mutated Green Goblin overall) is my greatest fear of this series. I can see things that tell for it happening, and things that tell against it.

For:
- The genetics things.
- The Ultimate comics seem to be the bigger source for this series.
- They'd want to be different from Raimi's version.

Against:
- It's stupid.
- The Ultimate version isn't very popular.
- Cross-species don't really explain pointy ears and stuff like that (unless they cross him with a rabbit...).
- It would be a repeat of having a green monster as the villain.
- The 616 version is too iconic.
- Not having a suit and mask closes doors for many cool things and really kills one huge part of Norman Osborn's character (see: it's stupid).

 

[TheHeatKitchen]

Ultimate Green Goblin (or mutated Green Goblin overall) is my greatest fear of this series. I can see things that tell for it happening, and things that tell against it.

For:
- The genetics things.
- The Ultimate comics seem to be the bigger source for this series.
- They'd want to be different from Raimi's version.

Against:
- It's stupid.
- The Ultimate version isn't very popular.
- Cross-species don't really explain pointy ears and stuff like that (unless they cross him with a rabbit...).
- It would be a repeat of having a green monster as the villain.
- The 616 version is too iconic.
- Not having a suit and mask closes doors for many cool things and really kills one huge part of Norman Osborn's character (see: it's stupid).

It can fit with the cross species thing if they go the Abomination route. Too many formulas, bad reaction, causes an abomination/goblin like creature. This trilogy appears to be more fantasy science based. That's about as fantasy science as you can get.

since when has the 616 version being so iconic been so important in movies?

what's to say he has to be a bright green like lizard? He could be a more pale, drab green. more of a real world look.

his character is already mentioned as being sickly, on his death bed. People would notice if he was suddenly a healthy man running his business again. No need for a mystery disguise. Make him a ghoul. His life is in the spotlight out there. Bring it to the forefront, make him goblin for the final movie, final battle, end the trilogy.

 

[SM71]

Idk if its just me, but while I love the choice of CC as Norman, I still can't picture him as the actual Goblin and in fight sequences. Because of this personal belief, I thought: what if he doesn't actually ever become GG, but instead FORCES another villain to kill Gwen. So he wouldn't directly do it, but would still be held responsible and the focus of Peter's rage and remain his main enemy

Not saying I want this, but if they were trying to differentiate from the first series while somewhat keeping the original essence, I could potentially see this as a possibility

 

[Shikamaru]

Idk if its just me, but while I love the choice of CC as Norman, I still can't picture him as the actual Goblin and in fight sequences. Because of this personal belief, I thought: what if he doesn't actually ever become GG, but instead FORCES another villain to kill Gwen. So he wouldn't directly do it, but would still be held responsible and the focus of Peter's rage and remain his main enemy

Not saying I want this, but if they were trying to differentiate from the first series while somewhat keeping the original essence, I could potentially see this as a possibility

That sounds highly unlikely.

- The Ultimate comics seem to be the bigger source for this series.

Not to go off topic but I don't get that vibe. I see more from 616 in there than Ultimate.

However, I agree with your point overall. Them using Ultimate Goblin is my biggest worry so far as well. It would be a complete turn-off for me. It would probably ruin the whole movie too.

 

[TheHeatKitchen]

Idk if its just me, but while I love the choice of CC as Norman, I still can't picture him as the actual Goblin and in fight sequences. Because of this personal belief, I thought: what if he doesn't actually ever become GG, but instead FORCES another villain to kill Gwen. So he wouldn't directly do it, but would still be held responsible and the focus of Peter's rage and remain his main enemy

Not saying I want this, but if they were trying to differentiate from the first series while somewhat keeping the original essence, I could potentially see this as a possibility

Don't worry buddy. They'll make it work. They've come a long way in SFX. They'll make it believable.

 

[Creator]

What pressure?

Same pressure you all put on getting Venom into SM3, just do it in reverse. Fans were begging Sam Raimi and couldn't let go of mentioning Venom, until Avi Arad got wind of it, saw dollar signs and started whispering that the fans wanted Venom in Raimi's ear.

I think you're reading too much into Sony forcing Venom on Raimi. Nobody knows exactly how that went down or how much Sony may monitor fans input. I really doubt fans have that much input with Sony and Webb. They might keep an ear out for what's popular or what's like, but I doubt they're going to change things solely based on what a handful of people ask for on a fansite.

Venom was without question forced upon Raimi, he hated the character, and said "Venom Is For Squares!" Most fans didn't like the new suit and guess what happened, it got changed. Sony and Avi Arad keeps close to SHH!, especially Sony execs. All I'm saying is, there should be a "We Don't Want Ultimate Comics' mutated Green Goblin" in every TASM forum.

 

[GuestStar2004]

alot of the green goblin in the action scenes will probably be stunt man and CGI anyway

 

[TheHeatKitchen]

Same pressure you all put on getting Venom into SM3, just do it in reverse. Fans were begging Sam Raimi and couldn't let go of mentioning Venom, until Avi Arad got wind of it, saw dollar signs and started whispering that the fans wanted Venom in Raimi's ear.
Venom was without question forced upon Raimi, he hated the character, and said "Venom Is For Squares!" Most fans didn't like the new suit and guess what happened, it got changed. Sony and Avi Arad keeps close to SHH!, especially Sony execs. All I'm saying is, there should be a "We Don't Want Ultimate Comics' mutated Green Goblin" in every TASM forum.

But what if some of us DO want ultimate Goblin?

 

[Creator]

Then there is a special place in hell for you.

 

[Shikamaru]

But what if some of us DO want ultimate Goblin?

May I ask why you would prefer a generic Hulk ripoff with little originality over a version with an actual personality and interesting character traits that has left a big impact in comics overall?

 

[Spider-Who?]

The only way I'd feel comfortable with an USM style goblin is if he's NOT a hulking monster. If the Goblin persona is an actual physical manifestation, I'd want it to be an ugly side effect of the serum he hopes will cure his illness - he doesn't hulk out and shoot fireballs - it actually disfigures him (something like what Oscorp posted on the last page). This would be a believable cause of his psychosis - he's torn between being "normal" but sick, and being "hideous" but powerful. The outfit would become less of a "costume" and more of a way to try and hide the disfigurement (or embrace it, depending on how you want to look at it).

I'd prefer they don't go with a physical transformation, but the above is what I'd be okay with if they do go that route.

 

[TheHeatKitchen]

Then there is a special place in hell for you.

Eh, I accepted that a long time ago.

May I ask why you would prefer a generic Hulk ripoff with little originality over a version with an actual personality and interesting character traits that has left a big impact in comics overall?

I never said I prefer that. I'm just talking for the sake of arguing. Personally, I have no special connection to Green Goblin either way. I don't care which version they go with, as long as they make it make sense in the story they're telling.

I'd be ok with them going down the same route I mentioned, only instead of actually "turning" him into a Goblin, it just kind of "changes" his appearance, like a sort of side effect/scarring and he dons this Goblin mask and persona to cover it, as well as his growing insanity.

Whatever makes sense and becomes a good story is fine by me.

 

[TheHeatKitchen]

The only way I'd feel comfortable with an USM style goblin is if he's NOT a hulking monster. If the Goblin persona is an actual physical manifestation, I'd want it to be an ugly side effect of the serum he hopes will cure his illness - he doesn't hulk out and shoot fireballs - it actually disfigures him (something like what Oscorp posted on the last page). This would be a believable cause of his psychosis - he's torn between being "normal" but sick, and being "hideous" but powerful. The outfit would become less of a "costume" and more of a way to try and hide the disfigurement (or embrace it, depending on how you want to look at it).

I'd prefer they don't go with a physical transformation, but the above is what I'd be okay with if they do go that route.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. If they go that route, it HAS to be permanent. A permanent disfigurement that drives him insane.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. If they go that route, it HAS to be permanent. A permanent disfigurement that drives him insane.

Yup. And I know the perfect disfigurement: the cornrows

 

[Creator]

The only way I'd feel comfortable with an USM style goblin is if he's NOT a hulking monster. If the Goblin persona is an actual physical manifestation, I'd want it to be an ugly side effect of the serum he hopes will cure his illness - he doesn't hulk out and shoot fireballs - it actually disfigures him (something like what Oscorp posted on the last page). This would be a believable cause of his psychosis - he's torn between being "normal" but sick, and being "hideous" but powerful. The outfit would become less of a "costume" and more of a way to try and hide the disfigurement (or embrace it, depending on how you want to look at it).

I'd prefer they don't go with a physical transformation, but the above is what I'd be okay with if they do go that route.

Nope, he'll pretty much look like The Lizard II without a tail and full bleed CGI.

 

[Spider-Who?]

Nope, he'll pretty much look like The Lizard II without a tail and full bleed CGI.

Are you saying that's what you think they will do, or are you ignoring my reference to Oscorp's image from the last page?

If they go the transform/disfigured route, I'd want it to be subtle like that CG image Oscorp posted. They wouldn't need to make him CG, just some make up. GG shouldn't be a big, hulking character, so I don't get why you think it'd be Lizard 2.0.

 

[DeanJ2009]

This series has and will continue to be about genetics which is why UGG makes sense even if it's not ideal, a twist where the audience thinks it's a mutation but it turns out to be a costume would be my choice though

let's wait and see what happens though, it's not impossible to tell a fantastic story with a transformin' norman.

 

[Creator]

Are you saying that's what you think they will do, or are you ignoring my reference to Oscorp's image from the last page?

If they go the transform/disfigured route, I'd want it to be subtle like that CG image Oscorp posted. They wouldn't need to make him CG, just some make up. GG shouldn't be a big, hulking character, so I don't get why you think it'd be Lizard 2.0.

I think if they go the Ultimate Comics GG route, he's going to be huge, throwing fireballs and look half like Cooper and part goblin in just his face. Fully CGI most of the time. It'll be a mess.

 

[Spider-Who?]

I think if they go the Ultimate Comics GG route, he's going to be huge, throwing fireballs and look half like Cooper and part goblin in just his face. Fully CGI most of the time. It'll be a mess.

Heh, if they DO go that route, I'm sure they can make it look good. That won't change my opinion that USM goblin is stupid and they shouldn't use that version, though.

 

[Shikamaru]

This series has and will continue to be about genetics which is why UGG makes sense even if it's not ideal, a twist where the audience thinks it's a mutation but it turns out to be a costume would be my choice though

let's wait and see what happens though, it's not impossible to tell a fantastic story with a transformin' norman.

616 GG was about genetics too. The Goblin serum enhanced all of Norman's abilities and put him on part with Spider-Man.

The difference between the 616 and Ultimate versions is that while genetics has a major part in both versions, the Ultimate version lacks everything else.

The genetics aren't the only interesting aspects the 616 GG has going for him. He is also loved and found interesting by many fans due to his tech, his taste for the theatrics, his obsessions with masks, and the whole mystery behind his identity (at least in the earlier issues). When he was originally introduced, no one knew who he was. Anyone could've been the Green Goblin behind the mask and this contrasts how anyone can be Spider-Man behind the mask since Spider-Man is the most relatable superhero there is.

On the other hand, genetics are literally the only thing Ultimate GG has going for him. Nothing else. He even gives off the vibe that he is less intelligent than the 616 version since he's been nothing but a Hulk-raging monster throughout most of his appearances.

 

[Victarion]

How does a genetic experiment create a goblin creature?

 

[Creator]

Yeah, what are they gonna use Goblin blood to pull that off--being that goblins unlike spider don't exist. This is why using the classic Goblin of the 60s is 10 times better, not to mention a lot less CGI and better story/character.

 

[TheAQU4M4N]

if they state he has a somewhat obsession with folklore and masks of "goblin" nature that would be cool. It worked for TSSM.