The Dark Knight Chris Nolan needs to step up the action.

[batman7289]

this batman will have a lot more action.
the first one was to tell the story

like fantastic 4 and the silver sufer will have more action also

 

[StorminNorman]

I loved the first Batman Begins, it had a fantastic story that did not rely on great action (which it did have) to make for an enjoyable experience. I hope the same is true with BB2.

 

[xxshady]

well bruce has trained for years to learn martial arts and id like to see it......or it just looks like hes wrestling mindlessly

disagree.

the only part where it looks like wrestling is in the jail part, and thats cuz he wasnt trained.

and.... they wanted to give him a very rugged and fierce fighting style so they found one that these two guys made but they tweaked it a little to make it better for the movie... so all in all

Choppy Scenes = gives the illusion that you cant see what hes doing and he can subdue many enemies in a short period of time due to his training

Fighting Style = wanted to give a rugged and fierce fighting style

watch the special features people... its their for a reason...

 

[Tangled Web]

Does anyone remember when in Batman: Year One when those guys are stealing the TV? I think that would be a really good scene. Especially with Bruce talking over the scene commentating.
For instance: "That was a strong kick, untrained though."

That was a cool scene in the book that I think could translate well on screen, especially when Batman is trying to save one of the thugs that falls off the fire escape and while holding his leg the other one hits him with a TV but Batman manages to do it all.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

No, no, no.

The great thing about BB was that there wasn't something blowing up every scene after characters had a conversation. The movie had some serious depth to it, with a sprinkly of action, and the action was BADASS.

Certain films, like X3, seem almost embarassed to have serious dialogue. For instance, once characters started having conversations that related to the story, something would come crashing through a wall, or an explosion would take place, and the moment of storytelling would lost.


Don't do that. Keep up the good work, Nolan.

Bingo!

 

[mcflytrap]

Seriously I hope the Batman Begins sequel doesn't have choppy action like in the first and I hope they don't talk as much like in the first one I'm not saying I want to see a mindless action movie with no substance but he really does need to learn how to give the whole package does anyone agrees with me?

??

"I hope they don't talk as much"

??

All this stupid talk is what made BB great.

 

[mcflytrap]

I guess your right on some point of views but I would of preffer as much action and substance as terminator 2 judgement day, terminator 2 judgement day was very wellpaced with the substance and the action put together it's a Batman film I mean Batman Begins is revolutionary and all because it's a story that has never been told before I really don't know how chris nolan and his brother are going to top Batman Begins in terms of revolutionize.

Please use periods when necessary.

 

[mcflytrap]

The first movie has got to set it all up, then BOOM!!!!!!!!

That's ****ing ridiculous. The first movie isn't just a setup then BOOM...the first movie is a film that tells a story and is just as important, if not, more important than the 2nd one. This whole bull**** about the 1st movie never being as good because it has to "setup all the characters" is ludicrious. That's what a filmmaker does. If he can't setup a character, then he's not a filmmaker.

 

[Two-Face]

this batman will have a lot more action.
the first one was to tell the story

like fantastic 4 and the silver sufer will have more action also

FF was crap and don't ever compare BB to that crap.

 

[Excel]

the sequels usually have bigger action then original due to the whole "bigger is better" concept of hollywood. plus nolan said the first 2 would be like superman 1 and 2, and 2 had TONS of action,so well probably get some good stuff.

 

[El Payaso]

have you guys even watched the special features??


they are "choppy" because Nolan wanted to give the illusion that you cant see what hes doing.... like a horror film..

It's not an illusion, you actually can't see what's happening. I don't know how a director's explanation can justify anything. If Schumacher would have explained that it was his idea to have terrible acting in B&R on purpose that doesn't change a thing.

Oh and Batman is not a horror film.

 

[Gabroni]

they prob. didnt look right because the suit is too hard to move in....

they need to find a way to make him move

It does seem a shame, and a bit of a waste, in that they finally have an actor in Bale with the physique and athletic ability to do justice to Batman, yet its largely undone by the continuing use of the rubber body armor suit.

This whole suit thing is a bit of a mystery to me. I mean, one of the costume designers said that Nolan had mandated before filming began on Begins that the new suit allow head/neck turn, and thus do away with the infamous 'Bat-turn' (you know, where the entire upper body must turn with the head), yet it was still there in almost all of its glory! He still couldn't turn his head independent of his upper body. Either its very difficult to make a decent suit that looks good on camera, or even Nolan's team is stuck in a mindset that refuses to give something else a real chance.

I wonder if they have considered some sort of hybrid; with armor for the torso, but a more form-fitting material for the arms, legs, and neck?

Maybe they could learn from the new Superman suit, which looked good and allowed Routh to prove that he had actually bothered to get in shape; something Bale actually would not have to do again unless there are shirtless scenes of Bruce again.


Ultimately, I dont' expect any improvement on the suit. The general public is accustomed to the body-armor now, and I doubt that the little gripes from fans will every filter through to Nolan past the overall much-deserved praise he got for BB.

 

[Gabroni]

have you guys even watched the special features??


they are "choppy" because Nolan wanted to give the illusion that you cant see what hes doing.... like a horror film..

That style worked well when Batman fought thugs, who would be terrified and confused, but it wasn't as effective for his fight against Ras. I still like the Ras fight, but its much easier to justify that style there because of the cramped space in which they fought. It was okay for the fight with the ninjas, but generally speaking, when Batman is fighting worth opponents, perhaps Nolan could at least mix it up a bit so that we could behold the skill on display.

 

[antmanx68]

I think the second one should have better action, not more acton. I know a lot of you say "oh well the reason for the fighting in the first one was because of Keysi and they wanted to show how brutal Batman is." Well there are ways of doing that and actually SHOWING what he is doing. It makes total sense for Batman to dismantle some thugs without us seeing it, but Batman FIGHTS too... always has always will. There needs to be some badass fighting in the next one... not wire-fu, or overly choreographed nonesense but the same hard nosed fighting- Just let us see it better this time.

The audience should get to SEE why Batman is so superior in combat, SEE why he can jump through the ceiling of a room with 12 guys in it and just wipe the floor with them. Batman (even without being flashly) should be able to do some very impressive fight stuff and we need to see it (in addition to the 'whoa, what the crap is going on?' stuff).

None of the fighting in the first one had me thinking to myself "whoa, this is one of the coolest fights i've seen in a while". Brutal and stealthy doesnt mean "edit the hell out of it to the point where we just see glimpses of fists and shoulders and cant really get a good idea of whats happening."

Some of you mention that if you watch the special features you'd understand. Well, I think that the fighting actually looked great when the stunt men were doing it because you could actually see it. All of the work and choreography Bale talks about doing isnt really evident in the fight scenes because they were shot in a way that obscured a lot of what was going on.

 

[kn32]

Absolutely not. What fascinates me about Batman is why he puts on the suit, not what he does when it's on. He is a tragic hero, and to forego his inner struggle (which can only be conveyed to the audience through dialogue) for the sake of more action would cheapen the character considerably.

 

[XCharlieX]

I wouldnt change a thing about the fighting editing.

The only problem was a continuity problem. In 2 different takes Ras Al Ghul is standing at different angles and so him stabbing the control panel of the train in the next scene wasnt as apparent as it shouldve been. If he was standing at the exact same spot it wouldve been more easier to spot as oppose to mistaking it for batman.

 

[saint sinner x]

Absolutely not. What fascinates me about Batman is why he puts on the suit, not what he does when it's on. He is a tragic hero, and to forego his inner struggle (which can only be conveyed to the audience through dialogue) for the sake of more action would cheapen the character considerably.

Batman is a superhero/vigilante the fighting in the next one should be atleast viewable I mean I don't know how Nolan deals with sequels because this is probably going to be his first sequel. I hope Nolan listens to his fans he really does need to learn how to emphasize on theatrics in terms of action I don't want to see Batman fighting with the camera being too close and all. Those scenes gave me a headache and the monorail sequence could of been better although Batman Begins is my favorite superhero film of all time I enjoyed the fighting in the Bourne Identity better. Nolan Listen to my Prayer please enhance the fighting in the next Batman movie PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or else I'm going to have to start an online petition...

 

[DV8]

I don't think there was really anything lacking in Begins . . . but the choppy action sequences get a bit confusing, and by that I feel that it takes away from the enjoyment of the film . . . . I don't think Nolan by any means should "Matrix-i-fy" Batman . . . but I agree that some shots could be clearer

Also, I WOULD like a little more action as long as it doesn't take away from the classic cinematic quality of the film . . . . I mean, he IS Batman now . . .

But what would really add more to this film is seeing the detective at work . . . and as clues lead us deeper into the story, that could pave the way to more action . . . . but WARRANTED action; not gratuitous bs

 

[XCharlieX]

But what would really add more to this film is seeing the detective at work . . . and as clues lead us deeper into the story, that could pave the way to more action . . . . but WARRANTED action; not gratuitous bs

YES... i thought so too. The detective element is perfect for Nolans Batman.

 

[GEDRedemption]

The shots of the action sequences were fine. Although I could see why people would want them shot clearer and that's fine with me. I thought the action was enough in the first one, pacing was fine, it was a perfect movie. More action would make it a mindless popcorn flick.

I can't speak for everyone else, but when Batman first showed up at the dock's to fight. It was more about the first apperance of him to the thugs themselves. Like a holy crap, what is that being the ever living snot out of us. It was to show that he could take down multiple enemies at once.

And now a year later. I can make out the fight scenes just fine. Seeing them enough has made it to where I know what he's doing. I'm not going to say it has taken away from the essence of the thugs seeing him for the first time. But it does in fact feel like someone has "turned on the lights" of the suspence.

 

[GEDRedemption]

I hope Nolan listens to his fans he really does need to learn how to emphasize on theatrics in terms of action.

If you get theatrics, you'll get pointless action scenes. But hey maybe we'll get lucky and we'll get something as eye-popping as the vault lifting scene in Batman Forever. That was really.....quite lame actually. I hope for none of that. The action will be bigger and better, but it will serve a point.

 

[Mr. Thing]

The amount of action in BB was just right. I don't want anymore.

 

[Mr. Thing]

But what would really add more to this film is seeing the detective at work . .

 

[The Watchman]

I think the second one should have better action, not more acton. I know a lot of you say "oh well the reason for the fighting in the first one was because of Keysi and they wanted to show how brutal Batman is." Well there are ways of doing that and actually SHOWING what he is doing. It makes total sense for Batman to dismantle some thugs without us seeing it, but Batman FIGHTS too... always has always will. There needs to be some badass fighting in the next one... not wire-fu, or overly choreographed nonesense but the same hard nosed fighting- Just let us see it better this time.

The audience should get to SEE why Batman is so superior in combat, SEE why he can jump through the ceiling of a room with 12 guys in it and just wipe the floor with them. Batman (even without being flashly) should be able to do some very impressive fight stuff and we need to see it (in addition to the 'whoa, what the crap is going on?' stuff).

None of the fighting in the first one had me thinking to myself "whoa, this is one of the coolest fights i've seen in a while". Brutal and stealthy doesnt mean "edit the hell out of it to the point where we just see glimpses of fists and shoulders and cant really get a good idea of whats happening."

Some of you mention that if you watch the special features you'd understand. Well, I think that the fighting actually looked great when the stunt men were doing it because you could actually see it. All of the work and choreography Bale talks about doing isnt really evident in the fight scenes because they were shot in a way that obscured a lot of what was going on.

Co-sign. Nail...head...direct hit.

 

[GEDRedemption]

Let's say they pull back and show you the full package. Do you really want to see 6 guys waiting in line to get the snot beat out of them like in Reloaded or Kill Bill?