The Dark Knight Rises Christopher Nolan Is Doing Batman 3!!!

With Nolan´s return, we have the best opportunity ever for finally breaking the "curse of the third superhero movie" or whatever the hell keeps making the third parts subpar. The director of the first two is back, and there´s no need of pressure from the studio to push the director for some "fashionable" villain he may not be interested in. There´s a generan fan consensus around Catwoman and The Riddler, and just as Nolan proved you can give a fresh, grittier and edgier take on Joker and make people love him again, he can do the same for Catwoman, and just as he proved you can make Two-Face closer to the comics than a campy caricature, he can do the same for Riddler. They´re both classic Batman rogues who´ve been part of the character since his early years, and are still strong today.
 
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Five Reasons Christopher Nolan Shouldn't Oversee Superman

We loved Memento and The Dark Knight... but we're not so sure about a dark Superman.

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C. Robert Cargill, Feb 16, 2010 Look, I need to say upfront that Christopher Nolan is a genius. Memento is one of the greatest films of the last decade and easily a top 100 film if ever there was one -- crazed, inventive, and dripping with brilliance. His Batman reboot Batman Begins was a fantastic comic book movie, getting an abused franchise back on its feet when it needed it most. And, well, The Dark Knight is about as good a superhero movie as we have any right to ask for. It broke conventions, shattered box-office records, and proved once and for all that audiences were ready for mature, intelligent comic book movies. All that said, Christopher Nolan is the wrong, wrong, wrong person to oversee Superman.

Once The Dark Knight's success was written in stone, the top brass at Warner Bros. held a meeting to discuss the future of their comic franchises. Realizing that there was a tremendous future in mature stories, they came out of that meeting announcing something that at once elated comic book fans while simultaneously terrifying them. They stated publicly that they had seen the light and from here on out WB would be producing "dark" comic book movies with mature themes. "YAY!" And they were starting with Superman. "Wait, say what?" Fast-forward a year and a half. Despite criticism, WB has revealed that Christopher Nolan will be overseeing (but supposedly not directing) the rebirth of the classic red-caped hero.
Here's why it sounds like a bad idea.

1) Superman ISN'T a dark hero. First and foremost, Superman isn't a dark character and neither are his villains. Superman is larger-than-life. He is the last member of an otherwise mostly extinct race, making him a lonely outcast who makes the best of his existence here. At his best, he is the embodiment of everything right and good with 1930s/40s America, while having lost (or never possessed) the negative elements of that era. He is Mom, baseball, and apple pie, and he stands for "truth, justice, and the American way." There's NOTHING dark about him or his story, only a sadness that drives his overtly boy scout tendencies.

2) Superman isn't a detective. Nolan thrives telling noir-ish detective stories. Superman isn't a detective. He's a reporter. He hits things. Hard. And flies fast. And burns holes in things. And blows cold air that freezes things. Thinking? That ain't his style. He's not dumb, but a good Superman story isn't about him tracking down criminals; it is about a world in peril with only one man who can save it.

3) They're throwing out the current continuity. They're ignoring the last film, and most likely the Richard Donner ones as well. You know what that means: origin story. Again. Batman Begins was a good film, but it wasn't The Dark Knight. The Dark Knight worked much better because it told a story rather than tried to explain where the hero actually came from. It's the same reason Spider-Man 2 worked better than the original. Every school child knows the origin of Superman. There is no need to reteach it.

4) Nolan is great on story, but terrible on staying true to its history. While working on Batman, Nolan's crew often had to explain the significance of certain Batman items and pieces of history. He wanted it to make sense, so he threw out everything that didn't make sense to him. That's great. But it also meant he ditched almost all of the science-fiction elements to Batman because Nolan didn't get or like them. He also tossed chunks of the Batman origin story while inventing others from whole cloth. When he's not directing, will he have the same level of interaction and micromanagement of those kinds of details with the crew? Will he change major elements of Superman to tell the type of story he would rather see told?

5) Superman is science fiction. Nolan is real world. Most importantly, Nolan has yet to prove himself in the realm of science fiction. His next film, Inception, happens to be science fiction, but no one seems to know what it is about or whether or not it will be any good. The Prestige was sort of science fiction, but still held at its heart a dark mystery. The Batman movies were interesting in that they tried to place Batman in our world with only a few comic book flourishes. But Superman is four-color wonder filled with spaceships, robots, and a supergenius madman WB has seen fit to include in every single Superman movie to date (rather than telling any other story about any other villain). I'm not convinced that Nolan's real world sensibilities will translate to a story about an alien who can fly faster than the speed of light.

That said, I could be wrong. Maybe there's a side of Nolan we haven't seen that gets Superman on a profoundly different level; maybe he's dying to tell a big stars-and-bars waving action science-fiction film. He's the only guy at the studio with the juice to make a film without an origin story (outside of a credit sequence introduction) -- maybe he plans on making a Lex Luthor-free film. If that Nolan is secretly lurking within the guy that keeps making dark, moody think pieces, then count me wrong on five counts. But I haven't seen that guy, nor have I heard about that guy even existing. So until that guy shows up, I remain highly skeptical. One blockbuster hit comic film does not a great Superman film make. If it did, everyone would have loved the LAST Superman movie.

:doh: Absolutely amazing how people are misfiring on Nolan's involvement. And not just his involvement, but his style in general. Nolan only makes dark and gritty superhero movies? Do they not realise that the style is in line with the Batman character? Jeez. :whatever:
 
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:doh: Absolutely amazing how people are misfiring on Nolan's involvement. And not just his involvement, but his style in general. Nolan only makes dark and gritty superhero movies? Do they not realise that the style is in line with the Batman character? Jeez. :whatever:

Agreed. I read that article yesterday and the guy is pretty closed-minded. I suggest he watch that Inception trailer. Is a city folding onto itself realistic? LMFAO. Hell no. But Nolan's vision of it is freaking awesome.
 
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:doh: Absolutely amazing how people are misfiring on Nolan's involvement. And not just his involvement, but his style in general. Nolan only makes dark and gritty superhero movies? Do they not realise that the style is in line with the Batman character? Jeez. :whatever:
I think that Nolan will understand the differences between Batman and Superman, but in case he doesnt, i like that most fans and bloggers are worried about it. It will send the message to WB/DC to be more careful than to trust him completely.

And unfortunately this is right:
4) Nolan is great on story, but terrible on staying true to its history. While working on Batman, Nolan's crew often had to explain the significance of certain Batman items and pieces of history. He wanted it to make sense, so he threw out everything that didn't make sense to him. That's great. But it also meant he ditched almost all of the science-fiction elements to Batman because Nolan didn't get or like them. He also tossed chunks of the Batman origin story while inventing others from whole cloth. When he's not directing, will he have the same level of interaction and micromanagement of those kinds of details with the crew? Will he change major elements of Superman to tell the type of story he would rather see told?
 
The guy who wrote that article is a tosser. For starters that article is way off the mark with Nolan's involvement in Superman, and seconds even if Nolan was to helm the project does this fool actually believe Nolan isn't capable of understanding that Superman is completely different character to Batman? Some people are just paranoid fan boys.
 
I think that Nolan will understand the differences between Batman and Superman, but in case he doesnt, i like that most fans and bloggers are worried about it. It will send the message to WB/DC to be more careful than to trust him completely.

There is no "in case he doesn't". Nolan knows that Superman is different from Batman. Just because he chose a realistic interpretation of Batman (and a valid interpretation at that) doesn't not mean Nolan has realism on the brain for every superhero character.

I honestly think this worry stems from a misconception about comics in general, that comics, and for that matter superheroes, can only be fantastical. I believe that what some people fail to realise is that comics are just another medium in order to express certain ideas, the same way film and prose express certain ideas a certain way. I bet when a lot of people thought about Batman as a character, a comic like Batman: Year One, a very grounded portrayal of the character, probably didn't pop into their head.

To a lot of them, Batman was always a fantastical character, so when a realistic interpretation on film comes along, a lot of them assumed that the realistic approach was all Team Nolan's invention.

It feels like these people are reacting without really thinking about what Nolan's job is on this, and what his interpretation of Batman really means. Either way, Nolan's job is to make sure the right team comes on with the right inerpretation for Superman; for Superman, not Batman.
 
I just love how people stereotype Nolan as this shallow director who thinks making movies dark and edgy makes them good. That's totally not the case. His movies show much more depth than that. He respects Batman, he'll respect Superman. That doesn't mean he'll make him what he's not.
 
Um so he is doing batman 3, because this is only mentioning superman, which I care nothing about.
 
Agreed. I read that article yesterday and the guy is pretty closed-minded. I suggest he watch that Inception trailer. Is a city folding onto itself realistic? LMFAO. Hell no. But Nolan's vision of it is freaking awesome.

Agreed, Nolan has been categorized just for his Batman films because of their box office success.
 
There is no "in case he doesn't". Nolan knows that Superman is different from Batman. Just because he chose a realistic interpretation of Batman (and a valid interpretation at that) doesn't not mean Nolan has realism on the brain for every superhero character.
But there is a small chance that he'll treat Superman wrong. Without Goyer and DC pulling the reigns, his Batman wouldnt have had a cape or grapple gun and god knows what else.
Dont be so sure that he'll adapt canon Superman.
 
his Batman wouldnt have had a cape

The documentary on The Dark Knight DVD had Nolan saying that he was very happy the cape was able to work on the Bat-Pod and not get caught in the tires. He thought there was something iconic about Batman's cape flowing in the wind.
 
I'll worry about Nolan producing Superman when I learn about the extent of his actual involvement with the movie. Last I heard he seems to be some kind of producer/mentor, which I don't care that much about. I'll pay more attention if he's revealed to be the guiding force behind casting, selecting the director, the story, costumes, stuff like that.
 
That article is another example of people overestimating Nolan´s involvement with Superman, like he´s directing and/or writing the movie. WB had a script they were happy with even before they had him. Sure he´s gonna contribute with ideas and help make decisions, but this is not by any means "Nolan´s Superman" the same way Batman is now "Nolan´s Batman".

Peter Jackson had more or less the same level of involvement with District 9, and that movie is very different from LOTR or King Kong.
 
Yeah, it isn't like Nolan is directing or writing the thing. I said it before and I'll say it again, he's there to ensure the integrity and sophistication of the project is intact, not to make it dark or realistic (going on what we know now, obviously). Like others have said, the man's smarter than that.
 
Chris made Batman realistic cause that how he was back in the day.

I mean the Joker with makeup,its not as out of place and wrong as I first thought. Did anybody in 1940,who picked up their Batman comic, know the Joker was bleached bone white by falling into chemicals? No. To them he was a psychopath,who painted his face in the form of a clown,cause he liked theatrics.

Nolan brung back the pure realism of the characters,in which they were originally created. So Clayface would be a serial killer in a mask,like he was originally if Chris wanted to use him.

But because of that choice,it has potentially lost the use of unrealistic villains,but thats with Chris and not other directors who will eventually take the helm and produce their own interpretations

With Superman,I dont think we will have much worry. But I expect he will be leaping tall buildings in a single bound,before flying.
 
Chris made Batman realistic cause that how he was back in the day.

I mean the Joker with makeup,its not as out of place and wrong as I first thought. Did anybody in 1940,who picked up their Batman comic, know the Joker was bleached bone white by falling into chemicals? No. To them he was a psychopath,who painted his face in the form of a clown,cause he liked theatrics.

Nolan brung back the pure realism of the characters,in which they were originally created. So Clayface would be a serial killer in a mask,like he was originally if Chris wanted to use him.

But because of that choice,it has potentially lost the use of unrealistic villains,but thats with Chris and not other directors who will eventually take the helm and produce their own interpretations

With Superman,I dont think we will have much worry. But I expect he will be leaping tall buildings in a single bound,before flying.
Realistic back in the day? Batman used to fight musical instruments, travel to other dimensions and worst of all, he used to carry a gun and kill people.

Batman is both a street lever, gritty and crime drama type of hero, and a JL, alien gods fighting superhero. That's why they print both Detective Comics and Justice League with Batman in there.
The documentary on The Dark Knight DVD had Nolan saying that he was very happy the cape was able to work on the Bat-Pod and not get caught in the tires. He thought there was something iconic about Batman's cape flowing in the wind.
Yeah but at first, when they were producing Batman Begins and they were going through ideas and comic books trying to set it all up, Nolan was against the cape and grapple gun because he found them ridiculous.
 
That article is another example of people overestimating Nolan´s involvement with Superman, like he´s directing and/or writing the movie. WB had a script they were happy with even before they had him. Sure he´s gonna contribute with ideas and help make decisions, but this is not by any means "Nolan´s Superman" the same way Batman is now "Nolan´s Batman".

Peter Jackson had more or less the same level of involvement with District 9, and that movie is very different from LOTR or King Kong.
Nobody knows exactly what is going on, or what Nolan plans to do with the franchise. He could fall in love with it and want to direct it. Maybe he'll leave, or maybe he'll only mentor the project. Even if they had got him to direct, they wouldnt have announced it right away. They could be testing the waters (audience response and Nolan's response to the franchise).
 
It was pretty realistic in its first few stories. Sure he fought monsters with Strange and all,but it was intended to be taking dark and realistic. The core of it was realism.
 
Yeah but at first, when they were producing Batman Begins and they were going through ideas and comic books trying to set it all up, Nolan was against the cape and grapple gun because he found them ridiculous.
Must have links to prove authenticity.
 
I think Nolan will wind up with a Producer credit for Supes 3.0 and maybe even an Executive Producer title.

That would be fine by me.
 
With Nolan´s return, we have the best opportunity ever for finally breaking the "curse of the third superhero movie"

That's what everyone said about Sam Raimi with the Spider-Man franchise. And look what we got. Oi.
 
That's what everyone said about Sam Raimi with the Spider-Man franchise. And look what we got. Oi.

Yeah, well some of us were already criticizing SM1 and SM2. It's amazing to me how people act like those movies were perfect and SM3's suckitude came out of nowhere. There was quite a bit of foreshadowing, particularly in the cheese department.
 

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