The Dark Knight Rises Christopher Nolan Is Doing Batman 3!!!

[RetroNaz]

That's what everyone said about Sam Raimi with the Spider-Man franchise. And look what we got. Oi.

To be fair to Raimi, it was the studio that forced Venom upon him, a character he had no interest in what so ever. And it showed!

 

[thedrizzle59]

To be fair to Raimi, it was the studio that forced Venom upon him, a character he had no interest in what so ever. And it showed!

Yea Raimi did a good job with spider-man, and im sure he would have done a good job with the 4th one. Too Bad Columbia pictures is a piece of shiz studio that wont let their directors do what they want. They forced multiple villians twice on the guy, even after the events of SM3. I mean come on! do you really think a relaunch with this same studio is going to be good?

 

[zeptron]

Yeah I think if Sony had let Raimi do the GG2, Sandman/Vulture thing in Spider-man 3 we would have gotten a better movie and people would have been happier. Sandman and Venom don't go together at all.

 

[blackkeno]

I'm not a huge proponent of a Batman/Superman movie. Although I thought the cartoon crossover movie was great, I thought the Superman references on BF and B&R were pretty lame. None the less, having Nolan involved with the Supe franchise creates at least the possibility that it could be rebooted in a way that could intersect with Batman, at least for a future director.

 

[General Vulcun]

I'm not a huge proponent of a Batman/Superman movie. Although I thought the cartoon crossover movie was great, I thought the Superman references on BF and B&R were pretty lame. None the less, having Nolan involved with the Supe franchise creates at least the possibility that it could be rebooted in a way that could intersect with Batman, at least for a future director.

I don't necessarily think that's the case. Nolan was brought on to guide the project along because he's a guy that's proven he can get things done.

When Batman was in termoil and WB was shuffling through various projects (Year One, Batman Beyond, Triumphant, BvS), Nolan came on board and got a film out in 3 years (the ideal production time for these films seems to be 2-3 years). WB, for whatever reason, is having trouble getting Supes back on film successfully. So, in response to this frustration, they bring Nolan on board to see that the film doesn't hit any bumps along its production.

Not to say that a Batman/Superman film wont ever come out, because it's bound to happen, but I don't think Nolan's involvement with Supes indicates that he's setting up the possibility of a cross-over film. Seems like he's just helping Supes get back on his feet, with the right crew, of course.

If a cross-over film does happen, it wont be because of Nolan's direct influence. It will likely be someone at WB who believes that it'd be time to have the 2 in a film together, regardless of what's been done in Nolan's or the new Supes films, and whether it's just them or a JLA film.

 

[ultimatefan]

Realistic back in the day? Batman used to fight musical instruments, travel to other dimensions and worst of all, he used to carry a gun and kill people.

Batman is both a street lever, gritty and crime drama type of hero, and a JL, alien gods fighting superhero. That's why they print both Detective Comics and Justice League with Batman in there.

Yeah but at first, when they were producing Batman Begins and they were going through ideas and comic books trying to set it all up, Nolan was against the cape and grapple gun because he found them ridiculous.

That surreal fantasy stuff came mostly in the fifties, cuz the Comics Code censorship wouldn´t let them do any of the gritty crime stuff. Bll Finger and Bob Kane always intended the character to be dark and gritty, and more realistic than Superman.

And Nolan will be busy directing hs third Batman movie, it´s not very likely that he´ll write (there already is a script WB is happy with) or direct the Superman movie.

 

[redfirebird2008]

To be fair to Raimi, it was the studio that forced Venom upon him, a character he had no interest in what so ever. And it showed!

Except he is the guy who wanted Sandman in it and his portrayal of Sandman sucked big time. The giant Sandman felt similar to the bumbling Marshmallow Man in Ghostbusters. It was laughable.

 

[Figs]

Realistic back in the day? Batman used to fight musical instruments, travel to other dimensions and worst of all, he used to carry a gun and kill people.

Batman is both a street lever, gritty and crime drama type of hero, and a JL, alien gods fighting superhero. That's why they print both Detective Comics and Justice League with Batman in there.

While that's true that he's always had some unrealistic enemies and stories, Rodrigo90 was spot on when he said that when people first read the first couple of Joker stories when they were originally released, no one knew he was bleached. Nolan had said that the first couple appearances were a big part of where they wanted to go with Joker in TDK, so he took the notion and ran with it.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Bob Kane and Bill Finger didn't have the bleached skin idea when they first created him either.

 

[Mr. Earle]

While that's true that he's always had some unrealistic enemies and stories, Rodrigo90 was spot on when he said that when people first read the first couple of Joker stories when they were originally released, no one knew he was bleached. Nolan had said that the first couple appearances were a big part of where they wanted to go with Joker in TDK, so he took the notion and ran with it.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Bob Kane and Bill Finger didn't have the bleached skin idea when they first created him either.

I agree with that.

 

[CJ]

Yeah, well some of us were already criticizing SM1 and SM2. It's amazing to me how people act like those movies were perfect and SM3's suckitude came out of nowhere. There was quite a bit of foreshadowing, particularly in the cheese department.

SM1 was a decent movie.

SM2 however, was near-perfect and is my favorite comic-book movie of all-time. (TDK is a close-second)

All of the characters had their own arcs. Peter of course, struggled with leading a double-life, and considered giving it up so he could be with MJ.
(TDK kinda stole that from SM2. Batman wanted to give it up so he could be with Rachel)

Harry, still grieving over his father and thirsty for revenge, began obsessing over Spider-Man.

MJ's career was taking off, and she had to make a choice. Go with a successful guy and have a good future together, or stick with Peter, who at the moment, is a mess. (Again, TDK kinda stole that from SM2, though Batman wasn't much of a mess.)

Aunt May had financial problems, and lost her home, and Doc Ock dealt with the loss of his wife, his dreams and his sanity.

There wasn't a boring moment throughout the film. And the theme of giving up your dreams to do what's right blended well with the characters of Peter and Octavious. (Peter gave up his dream of being with MJ so he could continue protecting people as Spider-Man. Doc Ock gave up on his dream of fusion by destroying his machine.)

SM3 though.. what the hell, Raimi? I know the studio forced Venom on him, but he wanted Sandman, one of the worst characters in the movie. And the whole "That guy didn't kill Uncle Ben! --uhhh, Sandman did!" made me facepalm.

Sandman was meant to be just a misunderstood guy, yet he tried to kill several people in the movie. And his origin? He "accidentally" stumbles onto a radiation plant RIGHT when they were ready to conduct an experiment. lol. Then we have Peter dancing on tables and strutting to disco music. Yeah, real dark, Raimi.

But the worst offender? We spend two films watching Harry slowly slip into madness and hatred against Peter Parker/Spider-Man. These films have been building up to a big confrontation between Spidey and GG2. And instead of getting a new Green Goblin, we get an EXTREME ninja snowboarder who gets knocked out in the first ten minutes and completely forgets everything that happened in the first two films. Are you freaking kidding me?

Oh, and don't get me started on the awful special effects.

Venom wasn't the reason SM3 sucked. It was Sandman, GG2 and the terrible cheese-filled script.

 

[General Vulcun]

SM1 was a decent movie.

SM2 however, was near-perfect and is my favorite comic-book movie of all-time. (TDK is a close-second)

All of the characters had their own arcs. Peter of course, struggled with leading a double-life, and considered giving it up so he could be with MJ.

Harry, still grieving over his father and thirsty for revenge, began obsessing over Spider-Man.

MJ's career was taking off, and she had to make a choice. Go with a successful guy and have a good future together, or stick with Peter, who at the moment, is a mess.

Aunt May had financial problems, and lost her home, and Doc Ock dealt with the loss of his wife, his dreams and his sanity. There wasn't a boring moment throughout the film.

The film can deal with these moments all it wants, but it ultimately depends on how these elements show up on film, and I personally wasn't really feeling it at all when I watched it. Of course it's all personal opinion, but I thought Raimi's films had the potential to be much better than they turned out.

 

[batman_gr]

Oh, yeah! It was the cheese-filled script that was badly written. And you know what was the cheesiest moment? This

Spoiler

I'm not anti-American. It's just that it's toooooo cheesy.

 

[zeptron]

Sandman was meant to be just a misunderstood guy, yet he tried to kill several people in the movie.

This is why removing Vulture was a mistake. Him manipulating Sandman would have made more sense. He comes across as a nice guy but not only does he attack police and civilians he willingly goes along with a plan to kidnap an innocent woman just so he could kill Spider-man. Removing Vulture's manipulation just makes him look like a *****e.

But the worst offender? We spend two films watching Harry slowly slip into madness and hatred against Peter Parker/Spider-Man. These films have been building up to a big confrontation between Spidey and GG2. And instead of getting a new Green Goblin, we get an EXTREME ninja snowboarder who gets knocked out in the first ten minutes and completely forgets everything that happened in the first two films. Are you freaking kidding me?

We have Sony to blame for that also. After GG they were turned off by any villains that wore a mask or didn't have a human face. This is most likely why Harry really wasn't a goblin and why he wore that stupid looking mask only during the first 10 seconds of his fight with Peter. This is also most likely why whenever Venom spoke he peeled back his face and why Sony wouldn't let Raimi use Lizard.

 

[The Joker]

SM1 was a decent movie.

SM2 however, was near-perfect and is my favorite comic-book movie of all-time. (TDK is a close-second)

All of the characters had their own arcs. Peter of course, struggled with leading a double-life, and considered giving it up so he could be with MJ.
(TDK kinda stole that from SM2. Batman wanted to give it up so he could be with Rachel)

Harry, still grieving over his father and thirsty for revenge, began obsessing over Spider-Man.

MJ's career was taking off, and she had to make a choice. Go with a successful guy and have a good future together, or stick with Peter, who at the moment, is a mess. (Again, TDK kinda stole that from SM2, though Batman wasn't much of a mess.)

Aunt May had financial problems, and lost her home, and Doc Ock dealt with the loss of his wife, his dreams and his sanity.

There wasn't a boring moment throughout the film. And the theme of giving up your dreams to do what's right blended well with the characters of Peter and Octavious. (Peter gave up his dream of being with MJ so he could continue protecting people as Spider-Man. Doc Ock gave up on his dream of fusion by destroying his machine.)

SM3 though.. what the hell, Raimi? I know the studio forced Venom on him, but he wanted Sandman, one of the worst characters in the movie. And the whole "That guy didn't kill Uncle Ben! --uhhh, Sandman did!" made me facepalm.

Sandman was meant to be just a misunderstood guy, yet he tried to kill several people in the movie. And his origin? He "accidentally" stumbles onto a radiation plant RIGHT when they were ready to conduct an experiment. lol. Then we have Peter dancing on tables and strutting to disco music. Yeah, real dark, Raimi.

But the worst offender? We spend two films watching Harry slowly slip into madness and hatred against Peter Parker/Spider-Man. These films have been building up to a big confrontation between Spidey and GG2. And instead of getting a new Green Goblin, we get an EXTREME ninja snowboarder who gets knocked out in the first ten minutes and completely forgets everything that happened in the first two films. Are you freaking kidding me?

Oh, and don't get me started on the awful special effects.

Well said

Especially about Spider-Man 2. It's my second favorite comic book movie after TDK.

 

[redfirebird2008]

SM1 was a decent movie.

SM2 however, was near-perfect and is my favorite comic-book movie of all-time. (TDK is a close-second)

All of the characters had their own arcs. Peter of course, struggled with leading a double-life, and considered giving it up so he could be with MJ.
(TDK kinda stole that from SM2. Batman wanted to give it up so he could be with Rachel)

Harry, still grieving over his father and thirsty for revenge, began obsessing over Spider-Man.

MJ's career was taking off, and she had to make a choice. Go with a successful guy and have a good future together, or stick with Peter, who at the moment, is a mess. (Again, TDK kinda stole that from SM2, though Batman wasn't much of a mess.)

Aunt May had financial problems, and lost her home, and Doc Ock dealt with the loss of his wife, his dreams and his sanity.

There wasn't a boring moment throughout the film. And the theme of giving up your dreams to do what's right blended well with the characters of Peter and Octavious. (Peter gave up his dream of being with MJ so he could continue protecting people as Spider-Man. Doc Ock gave up on his dream of fusion by destroying his machine.)

SM3 though.. what the hell, Raimi? I know the studio forced Venom on him, but he wanted Sandman, one of the worst characters in the movie. And the whole "That guy didn't kill Uncle Ben! --uhhh, Sandman did!" made me facepalm.

Sandman was meant to be just a misunderstood guy, yet he tried to kill several people in the movie. And his origin? He "accidentally" stumbles onto a radiation plant RIGHT when they were ready to conduct an experiment. lol. Then we have Peter dancing on tables and strutting to disco music. Yeah, real dark, Raimi.

But the worst offender? We spend two films watching Harry slowly slip into madness and hatred against Peter Parker/Spider-Man. These films have been building up to a big confrontation between Spidey and GG2. And instead of getting a new Green Goblin, we get an EXTREME ninja snowboarder who gets knocked out in the first ten minutes and completely forgets everything that happened in the first two films. Are you freaking kidding me?

Oh, and don't get me started on the awful special effects.

Venom wasn't the reason SM3 sucked. It was Sandman, GG2 and the terrible cheese-filled script.

Regarding SM2, to each his own. I felt the writing and acting sucked other than Molina. It's not a bad movie by any means but it's far from perfect IMHO.

 

[Rodrigo90]

SM2 was awesome in my eyes because of

Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R3ywUSqrn8

 

[Solidus]

SM1 was a decent movie.


(TDK kinda stole that from SM2. Batman wanted to give it up so he could be with Rachel)

Most of your post I agree with Spidey 2 is my third fav after TDK and Begins. Yet, TDK did not "steal" that idea from Spidey 2. That has been a common comic book story arc for almost every hero. The lows of leading the double life. That's not something SM2 invented.

 

[The Joker]

Most of your post I agree with Spidey 2 is my third fav after TDK and Begins. Yet, TDK did not "steal" that idea from Spidey 2. That has been a common comic book story arc for almost every hero. The lows of leading the double life. That's not something SM2 invented.

Yeah, it's a running theme in comic book lore. Superman 2 had Clark giving up being Superman so he could be with Lois.

 

[Dark Knight]

Love seeing Lee, Johns, and DiDio in these positions with DCE. Congrats to them on their new positions!

Especially Lee and Johns....those guys deserve it big time and their work has always been great! I have met, shook hands, chatted and took pics with those guys and they cool kats!

The sky is the limit now for DC characters on the big screen!

FINALLY!

 

[IBRAH08]

Most of your post I agree with Spidey 2 is my third fav after TDK and Begins. Yet, TDK did not "steal" that idea from Spidey 2. That has been a common comic book story arc for almost every hero. The lows of leading the double life. That's not something SM2 invented.

Just like Bond in Casino Royale (and several of the original novels)

 

[Avengers-Report]

Oh, yeah! It was the cheese-filled script that was badly written. And you know what was the cheesiest moment? This

Spoiler

I'm not anti-American. It's just that it's toooooo cheesy.

Haha I remember watching that and thinking the same exact thing.

 

[Ipodman]

Looks like DC films are finally shapping up nicely...

 

[jmc]

Based on what exactly? WB haven't announced anything.

 

[Ipodman]

They announced a Superman movie....

Justice League cant possibly happen if theres no Superman at least...

 

[RetroNaz]

Except he is the guy who wanted Sandman in it and his portrayal of Sandman sucked big time. The giant Sandman felt similar to the bumbling Marshmallow Man in Ghostbusters. It was laughable.

I agree with you. I was just pointing out that Venom was forced upon Raimi by the studio heads.

I guess his heart just wasn't in it after that. Because SM1 and SM2 were good films and SM3 felt like it was being directed by a totally different person.