Christopher Nolan's Inception

[Fenrir]

Inception has a 94 over at BFCA.org.

It's like 2008 all over again, with a Pixar film being the most critically acclaimed film of the year followed closely by a Christopher Nolan film. Noice!

 

[omid17]

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I don't think so. Because the whole film is about Cobb regardless of reality letting go of his pain. That is one of the reasons I think he could not look at his kid's face was because of the guilt. I really think that is why he walked away. Because Cobb does not care anymore, he's home either it be in his mind or not. He has finally let go of the guilt and embraced the love of his children again, forgetting his faults and past. To me that is one of the big aspects of the emotional core that really shines at the end.

for sure

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but i can also see that cobb always saw his children the same way throughout the different dreams, seeing them turn around being able to see their faces was like a reality check for him imo, but all this could also be from what you said

 

[redfirebird2008]

Dammit I hate the obsession with loud surround sound in theaters. I just got done watching Inception for the third time and I swear the surround speakers were louder than the center channel, meaning a lot of the dialogue was completely drowned out by various sound effects and music in the surround channels. Part of this is a problem with the sound mixing itself, but part of it is the damn theater itself too. I had this exact same issue when I went to see Terminator Salvation last year at this particular theater. You would think in the age of home theater that these nitwits would figure out that loudness doesn't necessarily impress moviegoers. I want to be able to hear what the characters are saying more than anything else including explosions or music. Turn up the damn center channel or drastically turn down the surround channels, please. It's not much to ask for.

This is exactly why I rarely go to the theater. If they're not screwing up the sound, they're screwing up the picture quality in some way. The other day I watched it on another screen and they had a huge glare thing in the middle of the screen that was distracting as hell throughout the movie. So I tried another screen today only to discover that the sound is overcranked in the surround channels. I can't wait to get this movie on Blu-ray so I don't have to put up with this BS.

Anyone else come across this problem?

 

[Solidus]

Funny my theater had a few rooms playing Inception. All my viewings were perfect sound. Except the first and third. The first was not as bad. But the third viewing was in a different room in the theater and was horrible.

I'm stoked to listen to it on Blu ray.

But for the most part it was a good experience, but one room had the sound really screwed up and was a lot like you described.

 

[Doctor Jones]

for sure

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but i can also see that cobb always saw his children the same way throughout the different dreams, seeing them turn around being able to see their faces was like a reality check for him imo, but all this could also be from what you said

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See there's another idea for the thing with his kids. One of Nolan's techniques is intercutting. It's in every single one of his films. And here, the intercutting is of his kids and wife. Now this intercutting which only last for less than a second could be flashes of the future as well. When I dream, I swear to God, I see about a few seconds at the most of the future, one second at the least. It could be hours, days or months until I see this image again in the real world. Maybe the image of his kids and the intercut was a very short glimpse of the future. Which could explain the fact his kids are wearing the same clothes.

 

[flickchick85]

Dammit I hate the obsession with loud surround sound in theaters. I just got done watching Inception for the third time and I swear the surround speakers were louder than the center channel, meaning a lot of the dialogue was completely drowned out by various sound effects and music in the surround channels. Part of this is a problem with the sound mixing itself, but part of it is the damn theater itself too. I had this exact same issue when I went to see Terminator Salvation last year at this particular theater. You would think in the age of home theater that these nitwits would figure out that loudness doesn't necessarily impress moviegoers. I want to be able to hear what the characters are saying more than anything else including explosions or music. Turn up the damn center channel or drastically turn down the surround channels, please. It's not much to ask for.

This is exactly why I rarely go to the theater. If they're not screwing up the sound, they're screwing up the picture quality in some way. The other day I watched it on another screen and they had a huge glare thing in the middle of the screen that was distracting as hell throughout the movie. So I tried another screen today only to discover that the sound is overcranked in the surround channels. I can't wait to get this movie on Blu-ray so I don't have to put up with this BS.

Anyone else come across this problem?

Yeah, the first showing I went to at midnight on Thursday, I encountered that sound problem. That plus his accent made everything Watanabe said totally incomprehensible. The 3 other times I saw it were IMAX, and the sound was perfect.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Funny my theater had a few rooms playing Inception. All my viewings were perfect sound. Except the first and third. The first was not as bad. But the third viewing was in a different room in the theater and was horrible.

I'm stoked to listen to it on Blu ray.

But for the most part it was a good experience, but one room had the sound really screwed up and was a lot like you described.

I felt bad for the people who were in there seeing it for the first time because some key dialogue is completely wiped out by the surround sound. Example:

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During the climax when Ariadne is about to jump off the porch to get out of limbo, she yells at Cobb to go find Saito in his limbo. This line was completely overwhelmed by the surround sound during this particular viewing to the point that her voice couldn't even be heard. This is a key bit of dialogue because it tells you where Cobb is going next. If people weren't paying very close attention to Saito's death in the snow scene or if they weren't able to catch the stuff about how dying in the dream sends a person to limbo due to the sedative, it would be pretty damn confusing to miss Ariadne's line of dialogue.

 

[Figs]

question

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hey was the poker chip Eames totem, i think it was

Cobb said something like "they're not going to multiply"

I'm pretty confident that it was simply a joke. He was just messing with Eames telling him that he won't magically get more money(chips), having them multiply, by rubbing them together. Which some people tend to do(rubbing or messing with their stack of chips)when they're gambling, which can be considered a tell when gambling.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Nah I go to AMC theaters and for the most part they take care of their theaters.

Sucks about the theater you go to. What theater company is it?

 

[Figs]

I felt bad for the people who were in there seeing it for the first time because some key dialogue is completely wiped out by the surround sound. Example:

Spoiler

During the climax when Ariadne is about to jump off the porch to get out of limbo, she yells at Cobb to go find Saito in his limbo. This line was completely overwhelmed by the surround sound during this particular viewing to the point that her voice couldn't even be heard. This is a key bit of dialogue because it tells you where Cobb is going next. If people weren't paying very close attention to Saito's death in the snow scene or if they weren't able to catch the stuff about how dying in the dream sends a person to limbo due to the sedative, it would be pretty damn confusing to miss Ariadne's line of dialogue.

Even on Imax with the massive sound system I was able to make out all the dialogue, that sucks that you're theatre has ****** speakers.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Nah I go to AMC theaters and for the most part they take care of their theaters.

Sucks about the theater you go to. What theater company is it?

Hollywood. The crappy thing is they're the only game in town other than a drive-in. There are two theaters 20 minutes away in Odessa, one of which is Hollywood and the other of which is Cinemark. They usually compete with each other to the point that they have exclusive contracts to show certain movies. With Inception, the Cinemark theater is the one with the right to show it. I might actually try to check it out over there this weekend to see if they do a better job with the video and sound quality than the Hollywood in Midland. This is such BS though. The glare thing was incredibly distracting a few days ago and the sound thing is even more of an issue because it leaves viewers in complete confusion over what's going on for a lot of the movie. I bet WOM is pretty bad for people who see it on that screen because they're completely lost.

Like I said, part of this is not just the theater (although they are lazy as hell apparently). It's also the sound mix itself. The dialogue in the center channel should have been mixed a few decibels higher than the other channels to make sure that it was fool-proof for even the laziest theaters to not be able to screw it up.

 

[BLACK-SPIDEY]

I just pre-ordered my tickets in IMAX for this, so excited.






woah, wtf happened to the forums?

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

woah, wtf happened to the forums?

What do you mean?

 

[Christopher Nolan]

it has a new forum style..

 

[DIRECTOR]

something about the music of the film, i don't know if it's my theatre, but it really drained the dialogue of the film. , which made the film in some scenes really difficult to understand

 

[darkslayer101]

it has a new forum style..

i digg the new forum style...

 

[Figs]

something about the music of the film, i don't know if it's my theatre, but it really drained the dialogue of the film. , which made the film in some scenes really difficult to understand

I can understand the complaints about the music somewhat drowning out dialogue here and there...that's what happens with Zimmer scoring. I didn't really have a problem understanding the dialogue but the score does blare just a tad too much. It was the same, actually worse in TDK. The theatres I go to have great sound systems so they weren't to blame because the true test was when I first watched TDK on Blu-ray. The music still covers certain bits of dialogue and sound effects. I hate that the music is as loud as it is when Batman throws Joker off the building. You can barely here his laugh as he's falling and for me that's one of my favorite laughs of his in the film.

 

[DIRECTOR]

question: What happens if someone touches your totem? Because in [blackout]limbo, Ken Watanabe touches Cobb's totem if I recall[/blackout].... is that a big clue about the ending?

 

[redfirebird2008]

I can understand the complaints about the music somewhat drowning out dialogue here and there...that's what happens with Zimmer scoring. I didn't really have a problem understanding the dialogue but the score does blare just a tad too much. It was the same, actually worse in TDK. The theatres I go to have great sound systems so they weren't to blame because the true test was when I first watched TDK on Blu-ray. The music still covers certain bits of dialogue and sound effects. I hate that the music is as loud as it is when Batman throws Joker off the building. You can barely here his laugh as he's falling and for me that's one of my favorite laughs of his in the film.

Good point there about TDK. I noticed the same thing. That being said, what I came across tonight isn't going to happen with the Blu-ray. If I could hear it during my first viewing at another theater, it should be audible on the Blu-ray. These twits had the surrounds cranked so loud the center channel was barely audible. People had to be literally dead silent just to try to make out the dialogue in the film tonight. On one hand it's kinda nice to have people actually being quiet during a movie for a change, but on the other hand it's a bad sign when there's dead silence and you still can't hear much of anything coming from the center channel.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Forgive me if this has been asked already 100 times but how would you guys compare this movie to the matrix? and any of you pop in the matrix after seeing this flick? I'm quite tempted to.

I might still give the edge to the matrix overall but the acting and actors were better imo in inception.

 

[Figs]

Good point there about TDK. I noticed the same thing. That being said, what I came across tonight isn't going to happen with the Blu-ray. If I could hear it during my first viewing at another theater, it should be audible on the Blu-ray. These twits had the surrounds cranked so loud the center channel was barely audible. People had to be literally dead silent just to try to make out the dialogue in the film tonight. On one hand it's kinda nice to have people actually being quiet during a movie for a change, but on the other hand it's a bad sign when there's dead silence and you still can't hear much of anything coming from the center channel.

Was this the only time you've seen Inception?

Forgive me if this has been asked already 100 times but how would you guys compare this movie to the matrix? and any of you pop in the matrix after seeing this flick? I'm quite tempted to.

I might still give the edge to the matrix overall but the acting and actors were better imo in inception.

I watched The Matrix about 2-3 weeks ago and still love the movie. It's hard to compare the two because they're pretty different films. Overall, i'm going to have to say I like Inception a lot more. If you go back a few pages I think Crook said it best. Something about The Matrix being an action film with depth and Inception being a deep film with action. That's major paraphrasing of course

 

[Figs]

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[redfirebird2008]

Was this the only time you've seen Inception?

No, this was my third time. First time through, my only problem with the sound was Watanabe's accent. Everything else was fine. This was in IMAX over in Houston. Second time through, the sound wasn't great but it was decent. The picture was horrible though with a huge glare spot (or smudge of some sort on the print itself) taking up 15-20% of the middle portion of the screen. Third time through was tonight and the picture quality was very good but the sound was regrettably terrible. Nolan would be extremely angry if he was forced to sit through his film with the dialogue being drowned out like that. Apparently he was at a showing at Arclight the other day and it got stopped halfway through the movie because the air conditioning died. Reports were him and Dileep Rao were at the showing. Both of them were seen outside after it and looked pretty concerned about it. This is one of those films where the first hour or hour and a half is building towards the incredible final hour, so I can understand why he would be concerned. Arclight had to issue refunds to a bunch of people, but that still doesn't change the fact that they had to watch the film over again from the beginning instead of getting to pick up where they left off.

If Hollywood and the theater companies want to know why theater attendance continues decreasing every year, they need to look no further than their ridiculous prices for such crappy quality. I paid $5.50 for a freaking 20 ounce Powerade. Those normally cost around $1.50 at a 7-11. The movie ticket was $10 and I feel like I got hosed. Instead of being able to just sit back and enjoy the film during my third viewing, I found myself struggling just to hear the dialogue. That shouldn't be happening with the amount of money they're charging for tickets and concessions.

 

[Doctor Jones]

My Cinemark theater is just class. Awesome. Great big theater with like 14 theaters including the IMAX.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Was this the only time you've seen Inception?



I watched The Matrix about 2-3 weeks ago and still love the movie. It's hard to compare the two because they're pretty different films. Overall, i'm going to have to say I like Inception a lot more. If you go back a few pages I think Crook said it best. Something about The Matrix being an action film with depth and Inception being a deep film with action. That's major paraphrasing of course

You know i quite agree with that. They do tread on some similar grounds however as in what is reality? and if you could live in a dream would you etc. I wonder if inception could have a similar cultural impact to the matrix had a decade ago?