Christopher Nolan's Inception

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saw it this afternoon....a solid 9 for me....thought everyone was good, especially Levitt....maybe he gets an Oscar nod out of it and maybe the Academy lets the movie sail over their heads
 
They're not gonna. I'm confident this film will be up for Best Picture. Hell, if it doesn't, I'll buy cookies for everyone. And beer. Then we can dip the cookies in the beer.

But yeah, this is pretty much locked.
 
DACrowe said:
Afraid not. It is Fischer's dream. He goes to sleep first and then they all populate his dream. The reason the subconscious projections are so intense (what with a train!) and gun-happy immediately is because Fischer has had personal training to prepare for this. The entire point and/or concept is that they're in Fischer's mind to plant an idea and you cannot do that from Yusuf's mind.

At the end they achieve Inception because Fischer thinks his father wants him to break up the company and be his own man. He thinks this because while he is in Eames' dream, that dream is in JGL's dream which is ultimately still a dream within Fischer's original one--thus that is his own dream there that he is having, but has been severely manipulated by the team into thinking it is not.

If we were in Yusuf's mind from the beginning, they could never have achieved inception because they never were really in Fischer's head and he would realize that he was dreaming (as they all do, as they are jumping into his head) and known from the start that he shouldn't be there and his projections would not be there. Otherwise Adriane's projections would have attacked Cobb's projections when they were in his head.

Thus Level 1 is Fischer's dream--making it all really his dream with the other levels being the other characters manipulating his other dream.

'Tis confusing.
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No.

"We create the world of the dream. We bring the subject into that dream, and they fill it with their subconscious."

Level 1 is Yusefs' dream, hence why he had to drive the van off the bridge to give everyone a kick. (It was raining because Yusef had to go pee before he went to sleep)

Level 2 is Arthur's Dream, hence why he had to perform the kick on that level. (The paradox stairway should have given you another hint)

Level 3 is Eames' dream, hence why he had to perform the kick on that level.

Level 4 is Fischer's dream, which is probably why everything went crazy on that level when he was being revived by Eames.
 
It rained because Yusuf had to go pee before he went to sleep. Makes me kinda wonder what that world would be like if he had to take a dump...
 
Another question:


What is a paradox???


And how did Arthur did that with the stairs???

He was not the architect, so how can he do that making that security guard fall?



Also..I think people are over-analyzing this movie..I mean c'mon a "making a movie analogy"!!!:woot:

Nolan just wanted to do a movie about dreams...that's all.:oldrazz:

BTW..the rules on The Matrix from leap of faith, de-ja vu, to the body cannot exist without the mind are a tad better than the rules from Inception.
 
Longshot777 said:
Another question:


What is a paradox???


And how did Arthur did that with the stairs???

He was not the architect, so how can he do that making that security guard fall?



Also..I think people are over-analyzing this movie..I mean c'mon a "making a movie analogy"!!!:woot:

Nolan just wanted to do a movie about dreams...that's all.:oldrazz:

BTW..the rules on The Matrix from leap of faith, de-ja vu, to the body cannot exist without the mind are a tad better than the rules from Inception.
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The architect only plans out what the dream will look like outside of the dream.

Remember, Ariadne wasn't supposed to join them at all, but she was adamant that someone had to be there to watch out for Cobb since he refused to tell anyone else about his subconscious issues. She would plan the dreams out and teach them to whoever was supposed to dream it.

The dreamer/host actually creates it when they're in it. Arthur was the dreamer/host of the hotel level, that's how he was able to change it.

And yeah, maaaybe we're over-analyzing. But then you start asking yourself why Nolan wrote the script or edit the movie the way he did....:cwink:
 
DACrowe said:
Afraid not. It is Fischer's dream. He goes to sleep first and then they all populate his dream. The reason the subconscious projections are so intense (what with a train!) and gun-happy immediately is because Fischer has had personal training to prepare for this. The entire point and/or concept is that they're in Fischer's mind to plant an idea and you cannot do that from Yusuf's mind.

At the end they achieve Inception because Fischer thinks his father wants him to break up the company and be his own man. He thinks this because while he is in Eames' dream, that dream is in JGL's dream which is ultimately still a dream within Fischer's original one--thus that is his own dream there that he is having, but has been severely manipulated by the team into thinking it is not.

If we were in Yusuf's mind from the beginning, they could never have achieved inception because they never were really in Fischer's head and he would realize that he was dreaming (as they all do, as they are jumping into his head) and known from the start that he shouldn't be there and his projections would not be there. Otherwise Adriane's projections would have attacked Cobb's projections when they were in his head.

Thus Level 1 is Fischer's dream--making it all really his dream with the other levels being the other characters manipulating his other dream.

'Tis confusing.
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You missed a lot from the film and previous discussions DAC. Level 1 is clearly
Yusuf's dream.
 
DACrowe said:
Afraid not. It is Fischer's dream. He goes to sleep first and then they all populate his dream. The reason the subconscious projections are so intense (what with a train!) and gun-happy immediately is because Fischer has had personal training to prepare for this. The entire point and/or concept is that they're in Fischer's mind to plant an idea and you cannot do that from Yusuf's mind.

At the end they achieve Inception because Fischer thinks his father wants him to break up the company and be his own man. He thinks this because while he is in Eames' dream, that dream is in JGL's dream which is ultimately still a dream within Fischer's original one--thus that is his own dream there that he is having, but has been severely manipulated by the team into thinking it is not.

If we were in Yusuf's mind from the beginning, they could never have achieved inception because they never were really in Fischer's head and he would realize that he was dreaming (as they all do, as they are jumping into his head) and known from the start that he shouldn't be there and his projections would not be there. Otherwise Adriane's projections would have attacked Cobb's projections when they were in his head.

Thus Level 1 is Fischer's dream--making it all really his dream with the other levels being the other characters manipulating his other dream.

'Tis confusing.
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Nope. It was Yusuf's. This is evidenced by the fact that it was raining and they directed this at Yusuf "You couldn't have gone before we went under?" "Too much free champagne eh?" Also evidenced by the fact that when the train comes busting through Ariadne says "this isn't how I designed it!" or something to that effect.

Also, it's further evidenced in the beginning of the movie when they describe how they work. They have one of their own create the dream, and then bring the subject in, who fills it with their subconscious.
 
It seemed like the whole film built up to when Cobb had to let his wife go. So in essence, the movie builds up to him admitting that Mal is just a shade of his real wife and she is not good enough for him. If the film builds up to that, which every time I've watched the film it certainly seems that way, I think it would be down right terrible writing to have him go "I can't live with you, your just a shade of my wife" to "I'm happy living with a shade of my kids". It would negate the whole point of the climax and destroy any significance to him letting go. In fact, it would really make the whole plot pointless. This, and the wedding ring and leap of faith, have me convinced he's in reality. Nolan's a great storyteller. He wouldn't negate the story he just showed you for 2 and half hours.

Also can anyone else confirm the kids have different shoes on at the end?
 
love this movie, but i gave it an 8 because i hardly EVER give 10's to a movie and....my big gripe is that i was expecting more crazy stuff to happen in the deeper layers of the dreams (for instance: hotels rooms changing colors and shapes, trees morphing into insects, heck even the Scarecrow effect). other than that...spectacular movie that i'll proudly be adding to my blu-ray collection!
 
Infinity9999x said:
DACrowe said:
Afraid not. It is Fischer's dream. He goes to sleep first and then they all populate his dream. The reason the subconscious projections are so intense (what with a train!) and gun-happy immediately is because Fischer has had personal training to prepare for this. The entire point and/or concept is that they're in Fischer's mind to plant an idea and you cannot do that from Yusuf's mind.

At the end they achieve Inception because Fischer thinks his father wants him to break up the company and be his own man. He thinks this because while he is in Eames' dream, that dream is in JGL's dream which is ultimately still a dream within Fischer's original one--thus that is his own dream there that he is having, but has been severely manipulated by the team into thinking it is not.

If we were in Yusuf's mind from the beginning, they could never have achieved inception because they never were really in Fischer's head and he would realize that he was dreaming (as they all do, as they are jumping into his head) and known from the start that he shouldn't be there and his projections would not be there. Otherwise Adriane's projections would have attacked Cobb's projections when they were in his head.

Thus Level 1 is Fischer's dream--making it all really his dream with the other levels being the other characters manipulating his other dream.

'Tis confusing.
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Nope. It was Yusuf's. This is evidenced by the fact that it was raining and they directed this at Yusuf "You couldn't have gone before we went under?" "Too much free champagne eh?" Also evidenced by the fact that when the train comes busting through Ariadne says "this isn't how I designed it!" or something to that effect.

Also, it's further evidenced in the beginning of the movie when they describe how they work. They have one of their own create the dream, and then bring the subject in, who fills it with their subconscious.
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I actually get where DAC is coming from. Could this be an actual mistake from Nolan?
 
Danger Mouse said:
I actually get where DAC is coming from. Could this be an actual mistake from Nolan?
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Nope. It's all in the explanation in the beginning in how they handle extractions. One of their team creates a dream, the subject comes in and populates the dream with their subconscious. What makes up our subconscious? That's right, our mind! So the subject's mind is still in the dream, they're just not the one's who created the dream.
 
Danger Mouse said:
I actually get where DAC is coming from. Could this be an actual mistake from Nolan?
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There is not a single line in the movie that states someone has to be in their own dream for Inception to work.In that case how would Cobb have performed his first Inception in Limbo? Limbo's not Mal's dream.It wasn't a mistake by Nolan. As it says in the film they create the dream and then bring the subject in it. the subject populates the dream with their subconscious. Fisher's subconscious was trained to fight back.
 
Question about the zero gravity...

Isn't the falling van dream supposed to affect all dream levels below it? So why is JGL's dream in zero gravity but the mountain dream still has gravity?
 
redfirebird2008 said:
Question about the zero gravity...

Isn't the falling van dream supposed to affect all dream levels below it? So why is JGL's dream in zero gravity but the mountain dream still has gravity?
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I was thinking about that today.

I assumed that it was because each level mutes what you feel at higher levels. When they're in the hotel and they feel the gravity shift Saito asks "Turbulence on the plance?" to which Eames replies "No, much closer. Yusaf's driving."

From that, I took that the more levels down you went the less you felt from levels that were higher removed from you. The van's weightlessness directly effected the level directly below it, but only something big, like the van smashing through the railing, was enough to create a reaction on the third level.
 
Infinity9999x said:
I was thinking about that today.

I assumed that it was because each level mutes what you feel at higher levels. When they're in the hotel and they feel the gravity shift Saito asks "Turbulence on the plance?" to which Eames replies "No, much closer. Yusaf's driving."

From that, I took that the more levels down you went the less you felt from levels that were higher removed from you. The van's weightlessness directly effected the level directly below it, but only something big, like the van smashing through the railing, was enough to create a reaction on the third level.
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That actually sounds like a good explanation. At one point...

Someone (Cobb?) mentions that Saito's gunshot wound will get better the deeper they go into the dream world. So it does seem that the further removed from a particular event, the less impact the event actually has on the person.
 
redfirebird2008 said:
Question about the zero gravity...

Isn't the falling van dream supposed to affect all dream levels below it? So why is JGL's dream in zero gravity but the mountain dream still has gravity?
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Well,
it's explained that the effects in the first level are dispersed greatly in subsequent levels. Which is why they brought Saito in with them to the deeper levels even though he was shot. He would feel less pain in the lower levels. So it's the same idea - as long as Arthur moved Eames around carefully in the hotel level, everyone in the snow level would experience normal gravity, because Arthur directly experiencing zero gravity in the level above was messing up his dream the immediate level below.
 
There was an audible groan from the audience once the screen cut to black. But it wasn't out of anger so much as it was out of the playfulness of it. It couldn't have ruined anyone's thoughts of the film, at least I hope not.
 
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Might want to put spoiler tags around that. As far as the audience goes, mine groaned and then began a mixture of laughing, cheering, and clapping. It was hilarious.
 
Kim Kardashian is such a dingbat. She has 4 million followers on Twitter and basically spoiled the ending for them. Pathetic. lol

Kim Kardashian said:
What's the deal w Inception? Was he dreaming at the end? Someone help explain?
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