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Christopher Nolan's Inception

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I agree they can do amazing action and visuals, but that is not what the core of a director should be. Actors and story are the gateway into a movie and the emotional connection. Visuals are second. Hitchcock movies may not be filled with CGI but with editing acting, and story he told some of the best ever made.

Speed Racer I disagree with, it was interesting, but I think your one of the few that will consider it to be a milestone. I don't think I've ever heard anyone claim that before. I thought it was a great visual to adapt the cartoon, but nothing that really blew me away.

Larry and Andy have one claim to fame, they have some other decent films, but honestly the general public, critics, guilds, I think really don't think highly of their other works. The Matrix Trilogy was excellent, (most only like the first) it's just one of those things that not many people said

The Matrix was a visual milestone, and a superb sci-fi one of the best. But other than that the W. Brothers are far from being considered masters of their craft.

Nolan has made many movies that are being hailed to this day. Memento, Prestige the Batman films now this. He really has not been a one hit wonder.

The best action scenes to me have nothing to do with the action themselves, if it is just pure action that is good (Bay style) and no substance no one cares. To me some one like Nolan creates some of the best action sequences (that are not top shape on the action part) but the caring for the characters and story is so much that changes the view of it.

Joker and Batman in the penthouse or interrogation room. These scenes were not the best of action. But to me their still the best action sequences I've seen in a while because of the tense feeling, and the characters feel real and connectible, so their plight feels that much more so.

To me his action has improved it's just many have become action junkies. I would rather have a film with decent action and a superb story and characters.

That is what makes up the movie. Star Wars Episode V had one of the best lightsaber duels. Yea it was not as flashy and cool looking as Episode I but it over all was a better action sequence because it had much better emotion and substance. That is where I see Nolan, he gets what the important parts of a movie are, and focuses on those. To me as well he has gotten better each time with action movies. But to me that is one little thing I could care less about.

I think sometimes when action gets too flashy it truly takes away from the story and just becomes cool for the sake of it, even in the best of action films.

We must just differ on what it means to be a director. Visuals are a part of it but way way way way way down the list for me. Story, acting, editing, are much more important than just the visuals.

So I guess we will just have to disagree on that.

its funny you should mention action and nolan,
in BB I thought the action was TERRIBLE, you couldn't see what the heck was going on. the action in inception (for me) wasn't great because I felt no emotional connection to the characters. I thought the action however in TDK was was utterly top notch.

as for the W brothers, the matrix is their only good movie but WHAT a movie. I saw the matrix SEVEN TIMES at the cinema and goodness knows how many times I've seen it on blu ray.
 
In Nolan's defense for BB he filmed the action like that for a reason. It was to show the Batman's attacks from perspective of the criminal. They're just as confused as we the viewer are when Batman comes out of nowhere and attacks.
 
Matrix is great and one of the all times. But to me Inception has topped it. And Blade Runner is still at top. But man is Inception close to it.
 
I rate nolan's movies;

1. TDK
2. the prestige
3. memento
4. BB
5. inception


but I am watching inception again on monday so it may climb the list (but I doubt it).
 
I dunno if we should be getting into race stuff it never ends well. Maybe we should just talk Inception.
 
Matrix is great and one of the all times. But to me Inception has topped it. And Blade Runner is still at top. But man is Inception close to it.

the matrix is my number one sci-fi movie of all time (including blade runner, aliens, T2 etc) because

1. the reveal of the matrix (when neo 'wakes up) blow me the f*** away
2. the characters are well rounded and neo makes compelling journey (he is completely different at the end of the movie than he is at the start.
3. the action is like f******* HELL awesome! bullet time, the lobby fight, the subway fight
4. the spirtual themes and metaphor are deep and engaging
5. the special effects looked absolutely amazing

my other favorites; aliens, T1, T2, blade runner etc, tick a lot of those boxes but not all of them.
 
I rate nolan's movies;

1. TDK
2. the prestige
3. memento
4. BB
5. inception


but I am watching inception again on monday so it may climb the list (but I doubt it).
For me

1. Inception
2. Memento
3. The Dark Knight
4. Insomnia
5. Batman Begins
6. The Prestige

Christopher Nolan's "worst" movie is still a pretty damn good movie :up:
 
Wise post. :cwink:

Hehe.

Well I'm glad you and I have seen eye to eye on the film for the most part. I just now can't wait for the bluray. It is going to be a lot of Blu ray for me this fall.

Alien Anthology
Back to the Future Trilogy
Inception
Iron Man 2
American Beauty
The Exorcist
Road to Perdition

and those are the ones off the top of my head. I'm sure there is much more.
 
I think people over-estimated the stupidity of the GA. If you make a movie with stunning visual effects, great action, a superb cast, and an awesome concept, people are going to flock to it no matter how confused they be coming out of it.

I don't think the GA is stupid at all and it's surprising to me that many people anticipating this film thought they were. The formula is simple, make a good movie and people will come, there's no magic potion here that Nolan has concocted, it's as basic as that, most movie studios have forgotten about that now, they keep producing films like they're on an assembly line, films with no heart and created with little care. It says a lot about a film that is hard to follow yet is still thoroughly enjoyable to watch.
 
For me

1. Inception
2. Memento
3. The Dark Knight
4. Insomnia
5. Batman Begins
6. The Prestige

Christopher Nolan's "worst" movie is still a pretty damn good movie :up:

I love the prestige because;
a) 1900 century (I love that time period)
b) bale, jackman, caine (love those actors)
c) tesla vs edison
d) magic

that movie was made specifically for me :awesome:
 
Solidus, this is my anticipated Blu-ray list for the fall/winter:

Back to the Future Trilogy
Maltese Falcon
Treasure of the Sierra Madre
Psycho
Inception
Toy Story 3
 
Ehhh I disagree. Andy and Larry, I think are very hit and miss even with visuals. Now with The Matrix they were superb, but than a lot of their other stuff, not so much, even the sequels to the Matrix really did not have a lasting impact with visuals. Honestly they did it once, and really have never been able to replicate it. Kinda like M. Night.
This is Inception vs Matrix, not a comparison of the directors' entire filmography. The Wachowski's could make a dozen more turds for all I care, doesn't retroactively erase the amazing work they did with the first Matrix.

Inception had moments of brilliance; the hallway fight, your avvy, the paradox staircase, zero-g bodies, etc. He'll have these great visions for a particular shot, but I just feel like he can't maintain it for an entire sequence. The main action beats were so...generic. I can't stress that enough. People shoot, guys fall, tons of bullets miss, people shoot some more. Aside from the standout moments I mentioned, what was really there in the actual choreography? It was hollow to me.

I won't knock Nolan too much for this, as I can't think of a single director that actually has the ability to film action and story so well, on a consistent basis. It's worthy to make note of, however. It's a standout weak point in an otherwise fantastic movie.
 
Gotta see this film again but too busy to do so! AArggh!!!!
 
Yea the GA is enjoying it but many of my friends admitted a lot went over their head. Which is fine the end result is did they enjoy it?

Truly with everyone I know and many on this board. The first viewing you feel a sense that you grasped it. Second viewing you feel like a trap door was sprung and realize there is way more there than originally thought.

I've spend hours and hours talking with friends about theories and ideas. It's great to have a film like this again for sure. Endless discussion will come of this.

With us there are many themes in the film

It does touch on reality, perceptions, origins (of the universe and life) perceptions of spirituality and so forth. IT really has it all. But it has taken me many viewings to find even a small group of them.

I really am looking deep into the themes of origins and how it relates very well to "half remembered dreams".
 
This is Inception vs Matrix, not a comparison of the directors' entire filmography. The Wachowski's could make a dozen more turds for all I care, doesn't retroactively erase the amazing work they did with the first Matrix.

Inception had moments of brilliance; the hallway fight, your avvy, the paradox staircase, zero-g bodies, etc. He'll have these great visions for a particular shot, but I just feel like he can't maintain it for an entire sequence. The main action beats were so...generic. I can't stress that enough. People shoot, guys fall, tons of bullets miss, people shoot some more. Aside from the standout moments I mentioned, what was really there in the actual choreography? It was hollow to me.

I won't knock Nolan too much for this, as I can't think of a single director that actually has the ability to film action and story so well, on a consistent basis. It's worthy to make note of, however. It's a standout weak point in an otherwise fantastic movie.

crook, I agree with you 100%, the hallway fight was stand out, the rest of the action was mundane and wasn't helped by the fact I felt no connection to the characters. I thought the action was tedious, the bits that interested me where the themes of dreams and the concept of inception and extraction.
 
Yea the GA is enjoying it but many of my friends admitted a lot went over their head. Which is fine the end result is did they enjoy it?

Truly with everyone I know and many on this board. The first viewing you feel a sense that you grasped it. Second viewing you feel like a trap door was sprung and realize there is way more there than originally thought.

I've spend hours and hours talking with friends about theories and ideas. It's great to have a film like this again for sure. Endless discussion will come of this.

With us there are many themes in the film

It does touch on reality, perceptions, origins (of the universe and life) perceptions of spirituality and so forth. IT really has it all. But it has taken me many viewings to find even a small group of them.

I really am looking deep into the themes of origins and how it relates very well to "half remembered dreams".

It really is a dinner conversation type of film.
 
Yea the GA is enjoying it but many of my friends admitted a lot went over their head. Which is fine the end result is did they enjoy it?

Truly with everyone I know and many on this board. The first viewing you feel a sense that you grasped it. Second viewing you feel like a trap door was sprung and realize there is way more there than originally thought.

I've spend hours and hours talking with friends about theories and ideas. It's great to have a film like this again for sure. Endless discussion will come of this.

With us there are many themes in the film

It does touch on reality, perceptions, origins (of the universe and life) perceptions of spirituality and so forth. IT really has it all. But it has taken me many viewings to find even a small group of them.

I really am looking deep into the themes of origins and how it relates very well to "half remembered dreams".

could it be 'the emperor's new clothes' with some of the GA with all proclaiming this movie cerebral, complex and dense and no one wanting to admit they didn't get it else they will be labeled stupid. I didn't think the plot was complex at all, several characters go at length to explain the details (one of my problems with the movie is too mcuh exposition) my problem was they spend so much time explaining inception they left no time to develope the team that were tasked with implementing inception.
 
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