The Dark Knight Rises Cillian Murphy Keeping Fingers Crossed For 'Dark Knight' Sequel

[El Payaso]

I remember Nolan saying he picked Murphy because of his striking eyes amongst other things.

So if you have a problem with Murphy's intense eyes, you have a problem with Nolan's judgement.

But of course I have. And not only because he chose Murphy inbstead of a competent actor who knows that scary doesn't mean opening your eyes too much or acting effeminate. I also have problems with the way he ruined the fight scenes and iconic bat-poses with the editing and having chosen Goyer for the dialogues.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

So...you think Cillain Murphy is a crap actor? Errr...wha...?

And he wasn't acting effeminate. He was acting unassuming. You'd never think that guy was a psycho who enjoys torturing people. And that is more disturbing than a guy who you can go "HEY! That guy looks like he tortures people!"

And that is why Nolan cast him I think. Because he looks like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth.

 

[Two-Face]

Cillain Murphy did great job in BB but he was wasted in TDK, Scarecrow is my one of my favourite villian after Two-Face & The Joker.

 

[El Payaso]

So...you think Cillain Murphy is a crap actor? Errr...wha...?

Tha..

at least for Crane/Scarecrow. I haven't seen more movies with him, maybe he's actually good.

And he wasn't acting effeminate. He was acting unassuming. You'd never think that guy was a psycho who enjoys torturing people. And that is more disturbing than a guy who you can go "HEY! That guy looks like he tortures people!"

And that is why Nolan cast him I think. Because he looks like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth.

And in fact it wouldn't melt because he's too obviously pretending to be what he's not. He doesn't look like a psycho, not even when he's supposed to act/look like one. He just acts like he would really love to be one; a calm voice with an external arrogance doesn't cut it. An wide open eyes don't mean neither creepiness or intensity, it's just the aspiration to be both creepy and intense when you have no idea of how to actually be that.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Watch The Wind that Shakes the Barley.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Watch The Wind that Shakes the Barley.

Or Sunshine.

Or 28 Days Later.

Or Breakfast on Pluto

Or Red Eye.

Or Disco Pigs.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

hehe yea or those. I just think he was amazing in Barley.

 

[Two-Face]

I seen Red Eye and 28 Days Later, he was great in them, he can act for sure.

 

[rashad]

Cillian is a wonderful actor. I rather enjoyed his cameo in TDK.

 

[The Joker]

Cillian is a good actor, he was just wasted in the Nolan movies. He had very little to work with. The only time Scarecrow was at all impressive was in the fear gas hallucinations.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Cillian is a good actor, he was just wasted in the Nolan movies. He had very little to work with. The only time Scarecrow was at all impressive was in the fear gas hallucinations.

I found Cillian very intimidating when he was revealing himself to Falcone and Rachel.
"Would you like to see my mask?"
"This is where we make the medicine. You should have some, clear your head."
The look in his face, the tone of his voice, and his girly face were very creepy.

 

[TheBatman072]

Cillian is a good actor, he was just wasted in the Nolan movies. He had very little to work with. The only time Scarecrow was at all impressive was in the fear gas hallucinations.

That's the whole point. Keyser Soze hit the nail on the head earlier with my thoughts.

Scarecrow, without his fear gas, is a skinny, weak, nerd. Unassuming, unintimidating. His only "power" is his Fear Gas. Without it, he's just a psychologist.

And no matter how much we all love Scarecrow, the few moments he was given in Begins, he was AWESOME. And it was more than enough.

I found Cillian very intimidating when he was revealing himself to Falcone and Rachel.
"Would you like to see my mask?"
"This is where we make the medicine. You should have some, clear your head."
The look in his face, the tone of his voice, and his girly face were very creepy.

Exactly.

 

[The Joker]

I found Cillian very intimidating when he was revealing himself to Falcone and Rachel.
"Would you like to see my mask?"
"This is where we make the medicine. You should have some, clear your head."
The look in his face, the tone of his voice, and his girly face were very creepy.

No offence, but you're easily intimidated if you found those parts creepy. His girly face as you put it was a major drawback. Not that I think he has a girly face, but it's certainly not intimidating at all. Nor is his voice.

That's the whole point. Keyser Soze hit the nail on the head earlier with my thoughts.

Scarecrow, without his fear gas, is a skinny, weak, nerd. Unassuming, unintimidating. His only "power" is his Fear Gas. Without it, he's just a psychologist.

Scarecrow in the comics doesn't need the fear gas just to come across as terrifying. His whole costume is creepy as hell. The fear gas amplifies it.

Nolan's Scarecrow was a guy in a suit with a potato sack on his head.

And no matter how much we all love Scarecrow, the few moments he was given in Begins, he was AWESOME. And it was more than enough.

The fear gas moments were. That's about it. Next to Falcone, he's the weakest villain in the franchise so far.

 

[Mr. Earle]

No offence, but you're easily intimidated if you found those parts creepy. His girly face as you put it was a major drawback. Not that I think he has a girly face, but it's certainly not intimidating at all. Nor is his voice.

He wasnt intimidating in a thug sort of way, but in a sick way. He looked like a pedophile at best!

Nolan's Scarecrow was a guy in a suit with a potato sack on his head.

Why do people say that when that's what they use for scarecrow heads anyway? But yeah he didnt wear his whole costume and this is why:

Crane was trying to keep his illegal deeds under cover in order to keep his job, so he couldnt dress up fully in a scarecrow costume. Now that his cover is blown, he could wear the whole costume and its a pity he didnt do it at the beginning of TDK.

Then, Scarecrow was the first freak to appear in Gotham, so he had to be watered down. When noone is wearing a costume in the city, how could he start dressing like a scarecrow all of a sudden? Now that Gotham is filling up with freaks and the precedent is set, its easy for newcomers to just dress flamboyantly and run around the city. They need no practical reason. They'll just do it for fame, recognition and theatricality.

Btw, kudos to Nolan for adapting the iconic image of Scarecrow from the comics where he is wearing a straitjacket while on horseback. Not only did he do it, he found a way to justify it!

But anyway, the basic reason he didnt wear the whole suit (because he could have done it at the beginning of TDK) is Nolan's realism. He is afraid to embrace the franchise for what it trully is. A comic book franchise.

And this is one of those times where he takes it too far. An other one is the batsuit for example.

 

[The Joker]

He wasnt intimidating in a thug sort of way, but in a sick way. He looked like a pedophile at best!

I never ever got a paedophile vibe off his appearance. Cillian Murphy looks anything but. I think you're stretching it now, mate.

Why do people say that when that's what they use for scarecrow heads anyway? But yeah he didnt wear his whole costume and this is why:

That doesn't take away from the fact that the effectiveness of the Scarecrow was severely diminished by robbing him of his proper costume. Alot of Batman's villains identify their psychosis by their costumes.

People complained initially that Joker wore make up instead of bleached skin, but at least he retained a white face, green hair, red lips, and his trademark purple suit. His effectiveness was not diminished at all. In some ways it was enhanced. A guy who chooses to make himself look like a clown is alot creepier than a guy who had it forced on him thru an accident.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Who said he made himself look like a clown?
Anyway, i explained to you why Nolan didnt want to use the full blown suit in Begins. Because Crane was trying to keep his deeds a secret. Then he wore the strait jacket and gave us the iconic horseback shot. But i agree with you, in TDK he had no excuse, he should have worn his full suit.
As for Murphy, you dont like him, i do, so lets agree to disagree. But you should know that in the comics Crane isnt scary either. Just ugly.

 

[El Payaso]

Murphy's girly face gave me the creeps... for all the wrong reasons. I think Nolan's direction is what put any intimidating bit in those scenes.

 

[The Joker]

Who said he made himself look like a clown?

Ummm, the fact that he chooses to wear clown make up and a purple suit. Lets face it, he could have easily got his scars repaired if he wanted to, and get a normal image again.

But he didn't. He used it to become the Joker.

Anyway, i explained to you why Nolan didnt want to use the full blown suit in Begins. Because Crane was trying to keep his deeds a secret.

Of course, I'm not questioning Nolan's reasons. I know why he did it. I just don't like it. I didn't much like the general handling of Scarecrow in Begins. He shouldn't have been a lackey to Ra's. He should have been led a double life as a psychologist and psychopath. Nobody could identify him because he wears a mask.

Much like Norman Osborn as the Green Goblin.

Then he wore the strait jacket and gave us the iconic horseback shot.

That was great. A shame he was beaten by Rachel and her taser though.

But i agree with you, in TDK he had no excuse, he should have worn his full suit.

Yes, I have nothing but contempt for his handling in TDK. Though I liked the little rope/noose thing they added to the mask. Reminded me of Tim Sale's Scarecrow.

As for Murphy, you dont like him, i do, so lets agree to disagree.

I do like him. I just think he had weak material to work with. That's all. A full blown Scarecrow would have been great in Murphy's hands. He's a fine actor. He could do it if given the material.

But it was a watered down Scarecrow. The fear gas parts were the only times we got a glimpses of what could have been.

But you should know that in the comics Crane isnt scary either. Just ugly.

Which is why we rarely see him without the mask. Wheras in Begins, he spent 75% of the movie without the mask.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Ummm, the fact that he chooses to wear clown make up and a purple suit. Lets face it, he could have easily got his scars repaired if he wanted to, and get a normal image again.

But he didn't. He used it to become the Joker.

I thought you meant that the scars were self inflicted. I misunderstood.

He shouldn't have been a lackey to Ra's.

Ras was the ultimate supervillain to whom anybody who isnt completely out of his mind would succumb. Scarecrow would succumb even in the comics. Besides, as i said, he was at his beginning.

He should have been led a double life as a psychologist and psychopath. Nobody could identify him because he wears a mask.

I am not sure, but i think that Crane experimented on his patients in the comics as well before the whistle was blown for him. So he couldnt parade around in his suit. I personally liked his origin.

That was great. A shame he was beaten by Rachel and her taser though.

Yes, I have nothing but contempt for his handling in TDK. Though I liked the little rope/noose thing they added to the mask. Reminded me of Tim Sale's Scarecrow.

I hadnt noticed the noose until now. You have obviously heard my suggestion for Firefly and B3. Firefly basically being just another freak in Batman's routine at the start of the film before we go to the main villains. That's what Scarecrow was in TDK. Nolan had to answer what happened to his supervillain but he couldnt spend the film on him. I only didnt like the lack of suit. Otherwise he was awesome.

But it was a watered down Scarecrow. The fear gas parts were the only times we got a glimpses of what could have been.

I think he was fine. With a villain like Ras in the movie, he would obviously play a secondary role. The only man that would stand up to Ras would be the Joker. Nobody else would dare.

Which is why we rarely see him without the mask. Wheras in Begins, he spent 75% of the movie without the mask.

Wrong. He wears a mask because he is a supervillain, a freak, not because he is ugly. And as i said, if i remember correctly Crane used to experiment on his patients before he became a full blown supervillain. You have to remember that this was his origin and that he was the first freak. In Nolan's realistic world he would look silly if he wore a suit all of a sudden so the progression to freaks had to happen progressively.

 

[Figs]

And as i said, if i remember correctly Crane used to experiment on his patients before he became a full blown supervillain. You have to remember that this was his origin and that he was the first freak. In Nolan's realistic world he would look silly if he wore a suit all of a sudden so the progression to freaks had to happen progressively.

From what I remember reading(and I swear, Scarecrow's origin has been done the most number of times out of just about all of Batman's other villains in the comics), he became a criminal after he got booted from his teaching position because he pulled out a gun and shot a flower vase to teach the students about fear.

 

[Mr. Earle]

From what I remember reading(and I swear, Scarecrow's origin has been done the most number of times out of just about all of Batman's other villains in the comics), he became a criminal after he got booted from his teaching position because he pulled out a gun and shot a flower vase to teach the students about fear.

Crazy Dr Crane! t:

 

[BestGirl]

From what I remember reading(and I swear, Scarecrow's origin has been done the most number of times out of just about all of Batman's other villains in the comics), he became a criminal after he got booted from his teaching position because he pulled out a gun and shot a flower vase to teach the students about fear.

I can't believe he got fired for that. Aren't all professors supposed to be a little bit crazy? t:

 

[Marx]

Cillian Murphy is an amazing actor! I loved him as Jonathan Crane/Scarecrow.

 

[Brother Jack]

Cillian Murphy is an amazing actor! I loved him as Jonathan Crane/Scarecrow.

Good man.

 

[returntovoid]

I found Cillian very intimidating when he was revealing himself to Falcone and Rachel.
"Would you like to see my mask?"
"This is where we make the medicine. You should have some, clear your head."
The look in his face, the tone of his voice, and his girly face were very creepy.

I agree, he was creepy without the mask, also.

And as i said, if i remember correctly Crane used to experiment on his patients before he became a full blown supervillain. You have to remember that this was his origin and that he was the first freak. In Nolan's realistic world he would look silly if he wore a suit all of a sudden so the progression to freaks had to happen progressively.

I agree, Batman Begins was the beginning of Batman. They showed the early stages of Scarecrow and while, Ra's Al Ghul (the main villain) was a full blown supervillain except Batman found out he was behind everything, in the end.