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Clerks sucks

The chosen one by God being an abortionist (ie. a child murderer)? Jesus having descendants ala Da Vinci Code? Angels getting corrupted and NOT turning into demons? God saying plastics are the meaning of life?


THAT sounds like sacrilege and blasphemy. And Kevin Smith has no bussiness messing with the Catholics.
 
thealiasman2000 said:
And Kevin Smith has no bussiness messing with the Catholics.
Why not?

Leave it to the Catholic Church to damn something that could actually turn people on to God...
 
A fetus isn't a child. And that was the whole point of having a person working at an abortion clinic be the chosen one - the christian far right can't stand abortion clinics and the people that work there. Kevin Smith was more or less saying "well yeah, screw you guys, you don't speak for God". Stop being judgemental, fire and brimestone crazy ass far right.
 
thealiasman2000 said:
I'm against Kevin Smith on principle. One word: "Dogma".


Kevin Smith has no bussiness bashinbg the Catholic religion.

It's not like Smith is a none-catholic. And all in all Dogma was pro-faith. I bet you haven't watched it all the way through. If at all.
 
Out of all the posts in this thread, how did mine get deleted?
 
Me and Cconn's entire convo about Barry Manilow is gone:(:down

Nazis
 
I certainly respect the fact that Clerks was a very, very low budget film and had great success. I laugh at much of the film as well (I grew up in new Jersey). However, the film does seem like a stand-up comedy routine that was made into a film and not really an actual movie.
 
I always liked Clerks because a) Live in NJ and b) I worked in the service industry. I know what it's like dealing with annoying customers and wanting to rip into the occasional few.

This movie is one of my faves.
 
You also have to factor in the extra-cinematic affect it had in helping usher in a new movie culture. I'm pretty sure that has more bearing on its status than its actual filmic worth. It's even part of the Criterion Collection, isn't it?
 
thealiasman2000 said:
The chosen one by God being an abortionist (ie. a child murderer)? Jesus having descendants ala Da Vinci Code? Angels getting corrupted and NOT turning into demons? God saying plastics are the meaning of life?


THAT sounds like sacrilege and blasphemy. And Kevin Smith has no bussiness messing with the Catholics.

Every Kevin Smith discussion needs the token preachy, ignorant, annoying Christian. Well played, sir. :up:
 
kainedamo said:
I watched Clerks for the first time. Oh man, what a boring film. I don't understand where all the hype for this movie comes from. The rest of his movies are a massive improvement over this. The movie is one boring conversation after another. The crap that they are talking about is so mundane and crap. And the way they say things too. There's a scene with 3 guys talking, and everytime one guy finishes talking, the next guy says a line, then the other guy, it's so... what's the word... false. Yeah. Alot of the dialogue was so false to me. It must have taken Kevin Smith forever to write this movie, with such awkward dialogue. Every character thinks he's a wise ass. There's a scene where an old man is talking about tabloids, and out of absolutely nowhere one of the main characters spits in his face. The old guy runs out of the shop, and the guy spends the next 5 minutes explaining why he did it, as if it was some clever point. What a completely *******-ish thing to do. Really not funny at all.

The movie did have some funny moments. The scene where the video shop guy says "I don't appreciate your ruse" made me chuckle. But by and large, I was bored and frustrated. Each scene felt like a setup for yet another long and overdrawn joke. There are too many instances where nothing happens at all. An entire 8 seconds or so goes by as Dante serves a customer, with no words being exchanged. A hockey game insues, with takes up about 5 minutes of nothingness. I found it hard to pay attention afer awhile. I looked at the runtime, and sighed deeply as I realised the flick was only half way through.

Just what is meant to be so good about this movie? Bad acting, which I wouldn't have minded so much if the dialogue was more interesting. Cheap camera work. It just felt so mundane. It feels like watching co workers chat, and not being involved in the conversation, and what they're talking about is rubbish anyway.

Avoid if you're intelligent.

You're opinion sucks!
 
thealiasman2000 said:
Jesus having descendants ala Da Vinci Code?

Not from his loins. Descendants from his siblings.

thealiasman2000 said:
God saying plastics are the meaning of life?

When did God say that in Dogma?

thealiasman2000 said:
THAT sounds like sacrilege and blasphemy. And Kevin Smith has no bussiness messing with the Catholics.

Why not? Why is ripping on the Catholics worse than ripping on anyone else? And it's not like Smith hates Catholics. He is a Catholic. Hell, he missed the premeir for Dogma to go to his daughter's baptism.
 
I gotta ask, is this some sort of case that when it was a small film with a cult following people loved it but it became mainstream so now I hate it type of case?
 
The Question said:
When did God say that in Dogma?

The line was cut out. It was actually an omage to another film.

Darthphere said:
I gotta ask, is this some sort of case that when it was a small film with a cult following people loved it but it became mainstream so now I hate it type of case?

Basically.
 
the thing with Kevin Smith movies is pretty simple, you either get them or you don't, and when you get them is because you feel somewhat attached to them.
for example, when Clerks came out I was in a break year from college and was working menial jobs and having problems with my girlfriend, I felt that movie spoke to me on a very personal level, the guy lived my life

and that's pretty much the same thing with all of his movies, you either feel indentified with them or you don't

oh yeah, Dogma is one of the best Pro-Faith movies I've ever seen, people who bash that movie are way too closeminded to look over the dick and fart jokes

(besides, how many other movies outside of Troma feature **** monsters?)
 
it hurts to agree with Kd.
Kevin Smith's dialogue is unbearable.
He's a cool guy (when he can keep himself from making unfunny, creepy gay jokes that seem to indicate that 88% of his day is spent obsessing over men ******ing eachother, etc.), but GOD he is the worst writer, :down
 
I like his other movies. Don't say "you either get them or you don't". I worked in a cinema, I know what it's like to be hassled by ******* customers and stupid customers. I just think what this movie attempts to do, others have done better. It's not that I don't "get" his jokes. It's just that as far as Clerks is concerned, the jokes are bad. The jokes aren't ever that clever, even the good ones. How can someone not get it?? I got it just fine!

Every scene is like a seperate sketch. There is no "flow" in the movie. Every scene is a setup for a joke, and yet another boring conversation between guys that like to think they're intellectuals. They're not intellectuals. Normal guys don't talk like that. Intellectuals don't talk like that. Everything just dragged for me in this movie.

All the best jokes are in the first 10 minutes of the movie. I'm not sure at what point the guy in the video shop said "I don't appreciate your clever ruse", but I thought that scene was pretty funny.

My opinion can be shortened down to this. I didn't like the film because the conversations didn't interest me. And the movie is completely dialogue driven, so in order for me to enjoy the film, the dialogue needs to be good. I didn't think it was.
 
kainedamo said:
I like his other movies. Don't say "you either get them or you don't". I worked in a cinema, I know what it's like to be hassled by ******* customers and stupid customers. I just think what this movie attempts to do, others have done better. It's not that I don't "get" his jokes. It's just that as far as Clerks is concerned, the jokes are bad. The jokes aren't ever that clever, even the good ones. How can someone not get it?? I got it just fine!

Every scene is like a seperate sketch. There is no "flow" in the movie. Every scene is a setup for a joke, and yet another boring conversation between guys that like to think they're intellectuals. They're not intellectuals. Normal guys don't talk like that. Intellectuals don't talk like that. Everything just dragged for me in this movie.
I do agree with the "sketchy" flow of the film, and I think I read somewhere that the mayority of the material for Clerks were ideas for sketches he had

and maybe you don't like it, but that's one of the most beautiful things in life, we all have different tastes, and we all have the right to not like or like what others do... or not
 
The thing is, guys like Kevin Smith are giving alternative filmmaking a go (y'know, actual dialogue as opposed to car chases, ridiculous romances, explosions and aliens), and all bashing does is remind Hollywood that all we really want is Aliens vs Predator 2.
 
Flame on! said:
The thing is, guys like Kevin Smith are giving alternative filmmaking a go (y'know, actual dialogue as opposed to car chases, ridiculous romances, explosions and aliens), and all bashing does is remind Hollywood that all we really want is Aliens vs Predator 2.
sometimes I think it's similar to how people don't have the habit of reading, hence, they don't have the habit of exercising their thinking muscles, hence, they don't like to think movies out
hence, Alien Vs Predator 2
 

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