The Dark Knight Concerns about TDK

[Milu]

Joker being able to match Batman in a fair fight, despite Batman being a master of several martial arts.

 

[blackout]

Im actually concerned of the possible entrance of Catwoman. Meee-OUCH!

 

[CaptainClown]

hehe meeouch heheh

 

[The Dark Guybrush]

Joker being able to match Batman in a fair fight, despite Batman being a master of several martial arts.

the joker fights dirty. clever dirty. always getting in a potshot here and there.

if the scarecrow could do it (batman was just STANDING there when he got hit with the fear drug), i can believe that the joker can get in a few decent shots..

 

[Rorschach II]

I've seen a few karate and kung fu mother****ers get knocked the **** out by someone who'd never stepped into a dojo but had his share of scrapping on the streets so I don't mind the Joker being able to put up a fight. I kinda like seeing the hero struggle physically as well as mentally and emotionally against an adversary (the Spidey vs. Goblin relationship in Spider-Man is a great example of this).

 

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

I actually want a smaller movie than BB. I want a deeper look at the characters. More like B89, less like BF. If you know what i mean. I'm happy for the big sets and all, but i want more substance this time in relation to Bruce Wayne and his alter ego. I just hope its not as epic as before.

 

[Luchastyle]

I actually want a smaller movie than BB. I want a deeper look at the characters. More like B89, less like BF. If you know what i mean. I'm happy for the big sets and all, but i want more substance this time in relation to Bruce Wayne and his alter ego. I just hope its not as epic as before.

sorry you're out of luck. this movie is going to be monstrously epic. nolan even describes it as an epic. he says he finally gets to do the epic batman film, after setting it all up in the first one. i too hope there is a nice focus on character, but personally, i think the joker deserves an epic movie. and the batman/joker fight deserves an epic setting. i'm all about the epic.

 

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

sorry you're out of luck. this movie is going to be monstrously epic. nolan even describes it as an epic. he says he finally gets to do the epic batman film, after setting it all up in the first one. i too hope there is a nice focus on character, but personally, i think the joker deserves an epic movie. and the batman/joker fight deserves an epic setting. i'm all about the epic.

They did that in B89 though. This movie shouldn't be about the Joker. It should be about Batman. The Joker shouldn't eat sceentime this time around. Last time, Jack had about the same amount of time on screen as Keaton. This in unacceptable.
I fail to see how TDK can be bigger than BB though. No planet hoping and no origin altomatically makes it a smaller movie. It might have more action, and more sets, but the SCALE cannot be topped.

 

[Luchastyle]

They did that in B89 though. This movie shouldn't be about the Joker. It should be about Batman. The Joker shouldn't eat sceentime this time around. Last time, Jack had about the same amount of time on screen as Keaton. This in unacceptable.
I fail to see how TDK can be bigger than BB though. No planet hoping and no origin altomatically makes it a smaller movie. It might have more action, and more sets, but the SCALE cannot be topped.

well again, larger set pieces, explosions, what they bill as the most amazing chase scene in history, higher body count, more characters, he says it's just all on a grand scale. and i agree about the joker. it's a batman movie. not a joker movie. but it's the joker movie of the series as far as i'm concerned. this will be the biggest role the joker will have in the entire series, most likely. but i don't know, i know what you mean. but nolan seems to think this will be bigger.

 

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

You know, when me and Bale heard about Nolan doing this trilogy, we kinda hoped he woud bring the Psychological complexity to the character, make a smaller picture, and do a character piece, like Burton did in his movies, but more faithful, and more grounded in realism. Oh well.

 

[Luchastyle]

begins is better than batman89. apparently you prefer 89. because i didn't see very much complexity in the burton movies personally. and besides, bale seems to really enjoy playing batman. and he talks about how great the TDK script is without even being asked. so he seems happier about it then you do.

 

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

begins is better than batman89. apparently you prefer 89. because i didn't see very much complexity in the burton movies personally. and besides, bale seems to really enjoy playing batman. and he talks about how great the TDK script is without even being asked. so he seems happier about it then you do.

First of all BB is not a better film than B89. Thwy are both great, both very different. An I am happy about TDK, its just not what i though it would be. I'll wait until i see he thing before i start judging it though.

 

[Luchastyle]

i think it is a better film. i think the dialogue is better. i think the acting is better. i think the cinematography and art direction are better. i think it's better. i think it's more true to batman as well. it's all subject to opinion. that's cool if you think 89 was the better film. i have no problem with that. some people think it's the better movie. but i don't.

 

[bdsproductions]

Leaked pic...he's picking his nose in it also...


And he was kidding during the rest of his post.

No he's not, he's biting his nail.

Or 'es just scratchin...

 

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

i think it is a better film. i think the dialogue is better. i think the acting is better. i think the cinematography and art direction are better. i think it's better. i think it's more true to batman as well. it's all subject to opinion. that's cool if you think 89 was the better film. i have no problem with that. some people think it's the better movie. but i don't.

Cool. It IS a great film. But i think some of the dialogue lets it down. 'Nice Coat' Rachel's crap, basically, the one liners Goyer put in and the silly plot about the water matchine that doesn't work right based on physical laws.
Cinematography let it down a bit two, i couldn't see the fights. I know thats what Nolan wanted, and i know many fans like not seeing batman fight, but i do. Its the comic book fan in me. I want the Images.
I don't think its more true to Batman either. Its closer to Batman in the 70's, but B89 was closer to Batman in the 40's. Neither is Truer, they both are good.
Anyway, lets not wreck the thread and deiscuss B89 and BB.t:

My faears for TDK are the same i had after seeing BB:

The fights, which i couldn't see.
The batsuit, which looks lame.
The music, which lacked the greatness of Elfman and lacked a main hero theme.
And Scarecrow going out like a girl again. Or being reduced as a filler.

And to that my new concerns: Can Ledger act, will the focus shift from Bruce/Batman to Joker, and will a new Rachel ruin continuity in my mind, or will i be able to handle it.
Also, will the filom become more 'Toyetic' Bat-pod and so on worry me.

 

[Rorschach II]

My fears for TDK are the same i had after seeing BB:

The fights, which i couldn't see.
The batsuit, which looks lame.
The music, which lacked the greatness of Elfman and lacked a main hero theme.
And Scarecrow going out like a girl again. Or being reduced as a filler.

I agree with all of these.

I think the fights should have been more hard-hitting and brutal, and less of black shapes moving around in the darkness with everyone ending up on the floor after a few seconds 'cept for Batman.

I didn't have a problem with the Batsuit from Begins, but this new suit seems to be a bit too "busy" for my tastes. Bruce has always been, to me at least, like a much darker version of James Bond, only instead of working for an intelligence agency he dresses up as a Bat (mostly to instill fear in his enemies) and works independently. The Batsuit from TDK seems more Bond-ish: less about instilling fear while being efficient at the same time and more about high-tech bull****. Nolan's Batsuit is like an Iron Man Suit, lite.

One of my biggest problem's with Begins was Zimmer's score. To me, Elfman's Batman theme is just as iconic and important to the character onscreen as William's Superman theme is (and this has nothing to do with being a Burton fan or not; I still prefer Begins to Batman as a film MOST of the time) and scrapping every hint of that theme to go for a new Zimmer score was a bad idea. It probably wouldn't have been such a bad idea if Zimmer's score had actually been as great as it should've been, and had actually had a hero's theme. But alas, we weren't so lucky. And for those of you that say that the original Batman theme does not fit in Nolan's world, I couldn't disagree more. I've heard fan mixes where Nolan's film is set to Elfman music and it works fine, almost as good as the first time we heard it.

Basically, if they were intent on getting Zimmer to do the music for this movie, they should've at least come to a compromise. It would've been great if we would've had a Zimmer score throughout the movie, then at the end (when he leaps off of the rooftop after being given the Joker card by Gordon) the Elfman theme comes out. It would've been symbolically significant in the sense that, while in '89, Batman is already Batman out of nowhere and has his own theme and everything, in Begins he would've earned it, and the moment when he sets off on his first confrontation with his archnemesis could've been set to that amazing, iconic theme. Hell, it probably would've have been re-worked and re-recorded by Zimmer, much like Shirley Walker did with The Animated Series.

I know I go on a lot about music, but I am studying sound engineering so while most people don't put much thought into it, I notice the music and overall sound mixing in movies as much as I do a lot of visual things.

 

[Boom]

Time.

Honestly, this film seems packed as **** to me.

 

[Devan]

Time.

Honestly, this film seems packed as **** to me.

yeah..i fear that also.

Don't want them to make raimi's mistake...

 

[Rorschach II]

Time.

Honestly, this film seems packed as **** to me.

Good point. I've heard that before with another superhero sequel, and it didn't turn out so well.

 

[Conebone69]

Time.

Honestly, this film seems packed as **** to me.

Same

 

[The Dark Guybrush]

all of you soundtrack/lack of a main theme complainers should really spend more time reading the composer interviews from the Begins era, and less time crying over nothing.

 

[TLH]

If Nolan is truly a great director, which he has proven with Memento, Insomnia, The Prestige, and Batman Begins, then he won't screw up multiple storylines like Raimi did in Spider-Man 3. SP3 had a lot of forced plot lines that all connected in farfetched ways. If Nolan proves to balance everything nicely without that "bouncing around" feeling, I think the film will turn out, optimistically speaking, better than Begins.

Spider-Man 3's packed plot faltered because of flimsy writing. The Nolan brothers have on more than one occasion combined to provide STRONG writing and a great, balanced screenplay.

I have considerable faith in the team. After all, everybody except Katie Holmes is returning. The team will deliver the goods.

 

[Conebone69]

If Nolan is truly a great director, which he has proven with Memento, Insomnia, The Prestige, and Batman Begins, then he won't screw up multiple storylines like Raimi did in Spider-Man 3. SP3 had a lot of forced plot lines that all connected in farfetched ways. If Nolan proves to balance everything nicely without that "bouncing around" feeling, I think the film will turn out, optimistically speaking, better than Begins.

I hope so...

 

[TromaFreak64]

I fail to see how TDK can be bigger than BB though. No planet hoping and no origin altomatically makes it a smaller movie. It might have more action, and more sets, but the SCALE cannot be topped.

I actually think the reason this film will be SO BIG is because there is no origin. Therefore the plot will be much larger, more complex and feature even more characters, but based on everything we know from the sides and stuff, the Joker doesn't look like he eats time.

Wayne and Batman appear to be the main characters, with Alfred, Rachel, Gordon and Harvey all being the primary secondary characters. The Joker seems like a sort of mysterious villian also in the secondary category.

We have a lot of tertiary character. Like Loeb, Lau, the Mayor, Mike Engel and Reese - who have their individual scenes and story but aren't that important.

We also have some quaternary, quinary and senary characters as well. Like Gordon's wife Barbra and his son, Ramirez, and some other named people, and unnamed.

I mean it feels like it is going to be an epic film because the scope is so large.

 

[TromaFreak64]

If Nolan is truly a great director, which he has proven with Memento, Insomnia, The Prestige, and Batman Begins, then he won't screw up multiple storylines like Raimi did in Spider-Man 3. SP3 had a lot of forced plot lines that all connected in farfetched ways. If Nolan proves to balance everything nicely without that "bouncing around" feeling, I think the film will turn out, optimistically speaking, better than Begins.

Spider-Man 3's packed plot faltered because of flimsy writing. The Nolan brothers have on more than one occasion combined to provide STRONG writing and a great, balanced screenplay.

I have considerable faith in the team. After all, everybody except Katie Holmes is returning. The team will deliver the goods.

I had even more faith in the Raimi's to be honest, but I feel a lot of Spiderman 3's problems where studio involvement stepping in for the running time issues... a little off focus here. Plus the random coincidence on how it all connects, but too many subplots just got lost.

I mean there is a risk that this could occur in the Dark Knight, but after the first film balancing seemed to not be an issue, but you never know.