The Dark Knight Ideas and concerns

[WelshMan]

Basically i have a few ideas for this movie that i would like to see but also some concerns that im hoping fellow HYPErs will help put to rest - here goes :

• IDEA - We all know that Rachel is in this movie but to be honest, im not too bothered by their relationship but maybe Bale will have better chemistry with Maggie Gyllehaal and it'll work better?. Anyway i was watchin Batman '89 yesterday and one of the things i thought was great was the Joker/Bruce/Vicki Vale love triangle and was thinking about maybe The Joker having an obsession with Rachel?, Obviously people are going to say that they shouldnt copy things from previous Batman movies but i think they could do a love triangle differently from Batman '89 and still make it work.

• CONCERN - Jonathan Nolan. Yes i know he's co-written Memento AND The Prestige (two films i love) but i was hoping that David S Goyer would have written TDK. I loved what he did with BB and i am slightly concerned that he hasn't written this one. From what i can gather Jonathan Nolan has written the script based on a story by Goyer/Chris Nolan and this is some comfort i suppose....

• IDEA - Minor Villain cameos. We all know that BB had five villains from the comic books and i thought they were all great. Obviously for this movie The Joker is the main villain and obviously Harvey Dent is in it, but does anyone think they might have a cameo part for a smaller villain, much like Zsasz in BB? , i would love to see Victor Fries, Jervis Tetch or Judson Caspian in TDK!

• CONCERN - The Jokers origin. Obviously Nolan & co have changed his origin for their story because at the end of BB The Joker exists and Batman isn't aware of him, ruling him out of having a part in The Jokers accident. A lot of people are thinking (and i agree with them) that the Bank job their shooting in Chicago now is the "Armed Robbery, Double homicide" Gordon was talking about at the end of BB. Maybe they'll skip his origin all together???

Anyone else got any ideas/concerns , let 'em loose!

 

[Batman jr.]

My concerns are:

1) that we will have certain fanboys whining because they think Joker won't look like Joker, which I'm pretty sure Nolan would never do. Making him more "realistic" doesn't mean no green hair, no smile or no white/slight grey skin. The one thing I've already noticed: his clothes doesn't seem to be raggedy (or how you write it). So, those fake audition pics proved to me that we better see an official Joker pic soon or at least someone who takes a REAL pic on set, up close & personal.

2) that we will have certain fanboys whining because Eric Roberts is cast. I won't judge him, because I've never seen any of his films. But this film is about Batman, Bruce Wayne, Joker, Racel, Alfred, Gordon, Fox. Those are the main characters! But Roberts playing a mob boss doesn't bother me, even if I already had seen films with him and thought that he sucked in all of them. Because he's not what this movie's about.


3) that we will have certain fanboys whining because Jonathan Nolan helped to write the script. Memento is a totally different film.

4) that we still have certain fanboys whining because Katie Holmes won't come back. So what? She was one of the few things I didn't like in BB, she just isn't a good actress, but that's what I think. But Katie is not in it, so live with it.

Those are my main concerns. I won't say something like "this will be the best movie ever". On the other hand, I have faith in Nolan & especially Ledger.

I can't wait for the first official images/trailers.

 

[IamtheBatman]

I have no concerns.

 

[Nepenthes]

CONCERN - All of Nolan's movies have shiity dialogue mixing and editing.

 

[Cinemaman]

Concern - stupid haters

Idea - Nolan

 

[ewoklake]

woah. ****ty dialog mixing and editing...? which ones are you stating have either? The prestige sound editorial was handled by the same guy who did war of the worlds and master and commander the mixers are no slouches either... which films are you refering to?

 

[WelshMan]

My concerns are:


3) that we will have certain fanboys whining because Jonathan Nolan helped to write the script. Memento is a totally different film.

I would just like to state that i am not one of these - even if thats how i sounded. I love Jonathan Nolans writing, like i said before i think Memento and The Prestige are fantastic. My concern was that David S Goyer ISN'T writing it. Maybe i could have worded it better. Apologies.

 

[Batman jr.]

I would just like to state that i am not one of these - even if thats how i sounded. I love Jonathan Nolans writing, like i said before i think Memento and The Prestige are fantastic. My concern was that David S Goyer ISN'T writing it. Maybe i could have worded it better. Apologies.

My friend, none of those concerns are about you! No problem, it's just in general and after being on the IMDB boards too much.

 

[Anjow1060]

Concerns - Scarring on the Joker. Close ups on the fight sequences.

Ideas - Nolan will make it work. Not too worried.

 

[Agentsands77]

IDEA - We all know that Rachel is in this movie but to be honest, im not too bothered by their relationship but maybe Bale will have better chemistry with Maggie Gyllehaal and it'll work better?. Anyway i was watchin Batman '89 yesterday and one of the things i thought was great was the Joker/Bruce/Vicki Vale love triangle and was thinking about maybe The Joker having an obsession with Rachel?, Obviously people are going to say that they shouldnt copy things from previous Batman movies but i think they could do a love triangle differently from Batman '89 and still make it work.

Could it work? I suppose, but it's just one more thing to throw into an already packed film. And I think it's best if the Joker is entirely asexual.

CONCERN - Jonathan Nolan. Yes i know he's co-written Memento AND The Prestige (two films i love) but i was hoping that David S Goyer would have written TDK. I loved what he did with BB and i am slightly concerned that he hasn't written this one. From what i can gather Jonathan Nolan has written the script based on a story by Goyer/Chris Nolan and this is some comfort i suppose....

I don't understand this concern. Goyer's only real collaboration was his comics knowledge. Otherwise the story and structure of BEGINS was a collaborative effort between Nolan and Goyer, and the final draft was touched up by Nolan himself. Furthermore, Jonathan Nolan is ten times the writer David Goyer is.

IDEA - Minor Villain cameos. We all know that BB had five villains from the comic books and i thought they were all great. Obviously for this movie The Joker is the main villain and obviously Harvey Dent is in it, but does anyone think they might have a cameo part for a smaller villain, much like Zsasz in BB? , i would love to see Victor Fries, Jervis Tetch or Judson Caspian in TDK!

If a smaller cameo fits the story, great. If it doesn't, cameos shouldn't be shoehorned into the film just for their own sake.

CONCERN - The Jokers origin. Obviously Nolan & co have changed his origin for their story because at the end of BB The Joker exists and Batman isn't aware of him, ruling him out of having a part in The Jokers accident. A lot of people are thinking (and i agree with them) that the Bank job their shooting in Chicago now is the "Armed Robbery, Double homicide" Gordon was talking about at the end of BB. Maybe they'll skip his origin all together???

I think the skipped origin is likely, and it's best that way (see BATMAN NO.1 or the comic THE MAN WHO LAUGHS). You can offer hints to where he came from, but not leaving it absolutely certain really boosts the Joker's mystery quotient.

 

[WelshMan]

Concerns - Scarring on the Joker. Close ups on the fight sequences.

Ideas - Nolan will make it work. Not too worried.

ah yes, the infamous fight sequences. I totally forgot about those to be honest..........and thats the problem!, the fight scenes from BB are totally forgettable and Nolan really needs to sort that out. One of the best scenes from Batman '89 is when Batman takes on the jokers thugs in the alley and hands them their ásses without breaking a sweat!

 

[raybia]

Concerns- I'm hungry as hell at the moment.

Ideas- I'm going to go get a sandwich.

 

[Boom]

Concerns:
1)The Joker's look.
2)That they're going to have a Pre-Joker, already employing clown theatrics, who has a freak accident that just happens to make him look like a clown.

 

[Carnotaur3]

I'm willing to bet that Heath's joker is pre-joker when Gordon refers to him at the end.

"Has a taste for the theatrical."

One could say that Gordon is refering to heath going around with a clown mask and giddup, instead of the makeup.

 

[Bond]

Gordon never said that this man looked like a clown yet. The way he said "Has a taste for the theatrics..." could just mean that he likes to rob banks wearing a joker mask.

Damn... just noticed the guy above me posted the exact same thing. lol

 

[sasquatchs]

Concerns:

• Nolan will have to compromise too much with the studio
• Time wasted with a love interest
• Subtle-as-a-sledgehammer themes
• Another overbearing score

Ideas:

• Joker manipulates public opinion against Batman, Bruce begins to doubt his efforts
• A philosophical Joker that forces a terrible moral choice out of Batman
• A police taskforce and corrupt mayor backed by Maroni to take down Batman.

 

[Steelsheen]

I'm willing to bet that Heath's joker is pre-joker when Gordon refers to him at the end.

"Has a taste for the theatrical."

One could say that Gordon is refering to heath going around with a clown mask and giddup, instead of the makeup.

or perhaps that "theatrics" meaning something dramatic-- like setting a building on fire.

 

[Bond]

The fire was not part of the ****ing film. It just happened. Had nothing to do with TDK.

 

[Steelsheen]

my mistake.

but it would've been cool if it was in the film though

 

[Bond]

True, sounds like something Joker would do.

 

[MaskedManJRK]

Concerns:

• Nolan will have to compromise too much with the studio
• Time wasted with a love interest
• Subtle-as-a-sledgehammer themes
• Another overbearing score

Ideas:

• Joker manipulates public opinion against Batman, Bruce begins to doubt his efforts
• A philosophical Joker that forces a terrible moral choice out of Batman
• A police taskforce and corrupt mayor backed by Maroni to take down Batman.

To quote Billy Madison, "I think Crazy Carl is right!"

 

[Rynan]

• A philosophical Joker that forces a terrible moral choice out of Batman

"This is why only fools are heroes - because you never know when some lunatic will come along with a sadistic choice."

It's been done.

 

[DieSmiling]

"This is why only fools are heroes - because you never know when some lunatic will come along with a sadistic choice."

It's been done.

Yeah, but it would be way less cheesy, and people would die.

 

[Rynan]

Yeah, but it would be way less cheesy, and people would die.

No they wouldn't. Batman would save them somehow. That's how the sadistic moral choice works: It never works.

 

[sasquatchs]

I really wish he wouldn't, sometimes there should be consquences that can't be neatly tied up in a pink bow. For me that would be the one mark of a great film.

Also, my favorite part of the sides is the vigilante stuff. In BB Bruce tried to inspire the people of Gotham, and the vigilantes are an unintended consequence of that. And Bruce will have to take responsibility for their death.