Constantine General Discussion Thread - Part 1

the FCC is run by idiots

they allow to show people get shot, stabbed, mutilated, bloodied up, etc. but God forbid they allow to show someone enjoying a smoke :whatever:
 
Gotta protect the little kiddies. :(
 
Gotta protect the little kiddies. :(

Or encourage them... Lets face if that friggin Cartoon All-Stars To The Rescue special or all the 50th Anniversary Gen. Surgeon smoking ads haven't worked, nothing will. Human nature trumps laws
 
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the FCC is run by idiots

they allow to show people get shot, stabbed, mutilated, bloodied up, etc. but God forbid they allow to show someone enjoying a smoke :whatever:

As I've been saying, ****ing double standards. And also a perfect example of hypocritical bull**** that is defining the western culture of 21 century.
 
the FCC is run by idiots

they allow to show people get shot, stabbed, mutilated, bloodied up, etc. but God forbid they allow to show someone enjoying a smoke :whatever:
Yep, it is stupid. Constantine is not a kids show and the comic version has always been a for mature readers title. Moores's Swamp Thing and Hellblazer were for Mature reader titles. Even the current new 52 version of Constantine smokes and the book carries a Rated T+ for (16+) rating.

Lol so I'm confused, NBC said Constantine can't smoke yet they seem to be bypassing it anyway. Is it like a specified mandate where we just can't see him smoke for extended periods of time but a puff or two is acceptable?

Constantine Exec producer Daniel Cerone tweeted this

We told you John smokes on our show. How can we do Dangerous Habits if he didn't? Trust. Believe. #Constantine
:cwink:
 
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Yep, it is stupid. Constantine is not a kids show and the comic version has always been a for mature readers title. Moores's Swamp Thing and Hellblazer were for Mature reader titles. Even the current new 52 version of Constantine smokes and the book ccarries a Rated T+ for (16+) rating.



Constantine Exec producer Daniel Cerone tweeted this

:cwink:

And I'm a believer :woot:
 
A 1.1 is a massive improvement for sure. I was thinking more like a 0.9 this week, so hopefully it doesn't adjust down tomorrow when the finals kick in.

The total viewership has been going up since week 2 but the rating has been rubber banding up and down. That would seem to indicate that the show hasn't found its true core audience yet, or rather that its audience is tuning in but not necessarily consistently.

I'd say consistent 1.1s would move the show from almost certainly cancelled to right on the bubble. But the spring season is usually much lower rated than the fall, so these next few episodes before Christmas will probably be the determining factor. If it can pop a few 1.2s and 1.3s I'd be a lot more hopeful, because in the spring we're likely looking at some 0.7s and 0.8s.

The key will be if/when it gets more episodes ordered. If NBC orders a full back nine the show will almost certainly be back. If they order a smaller set, like 5-6 episodes, that would indicate that they're going to try and bridge the gap until Hannibal starts and then cancel Constantine.

I'm more optimistic this week than I have been at any point, but my gut still says cancel.
 
the Nielsen ratings are a thing of the past. i don't know why networks still rely on that when a majority of the viewers don't even watch shows on their original air time, but instead DVR the show or watch it On Demand later on. and also take into consideration that this is a show that airs on a Friday night when a lot of people don't stay in to watch television.

networks really need to adjust to the times and take online streaming, On Demand viewing, and DVR into consideration
 
the Nielsen ratings are a thing of the past. i don't know why networks still rely on that when a majority of the viewers don't even watch shows on their original air time, but instead DVR the show or watch it On Demand later on. and also take into consideration that this is a show that airs on a Friday night when a lot of people don't stay in to watch television.

networks really need to adjust to the times and take online streaming, On Demand viewing, and DVR into consideration

It's a money thing. How much revenue do they gain through online streaming, on demand, etc versus good ol' telecast?
 
the Nielsen ratings are a thing of the past. i don't know why networks still rely on that when a majority of the viewers don't even watch shows on their original air time, but instead DVR the show or watch it On Demand later on. and also take into consideration that this is a show that airs on a Friday night when a lot of people don't stay in to watch television.

networks really need to adjust to the times and take online streaming, On Demand viewing, and DVR into consideration

It's because they only get paid for viewers who cannot skip the commercials. If you DVR something and FF through the commercials you are basically valueless to them.
 
It's because they only get paid for viewers who cannot skip the commercials. If you DVR something and FF through the commercials you are basically valueless to them.

Which is why you can't FF or skip ads on some streaming services, like Hulu Plus, which airs Constantine. Even with DVR, there is a way for the shows to make money. Maybe the income on each show should be the factor on ratings other than viewership (which was always a flawed system to begin with)
 
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the Nielsen ratings are a thing of the past. i don't know why networks still rely on that when a majority of the viewers don't even watch shows on their original air time, but instead DVR the show or watch it On Demand later on. and also take into consideration that this is a show that airs on a Friday night when a lot of people don't stay in to watch television.

networks really need to adjust to the times and take online streaming, On Demand viewing, and DVR into consideration
Advertisers pay much less for those platforms, even when you can't skip the commercials ala Hulu or OnDemand.

The reason for that is because it is really hard to gather advanced demographic data on those platforms. Hulu and Comcast can track total viewers, but they don't yet have reliable means for knowing what age, race, sex, orientation, etc the viewers are.

There's a reason there is a much bigger emphasis on the Nielsen's demographic ratings than on their total viewership numbers. Advertisers pay money to make sure their product is seen by a certain target audience.

So, despite what people say, the demographic ratings are BY FAR the most important factor in whether a network show is renewed or not.

Stuff like Hulu, DVR, Amazon Instant, iTunes, Play Store, OnDemand, etc is eventually going to catch up in terms of measuring demographics but right now they're way behind. The alternative platforms do make some money and they are important for measuring a show's potential audience, but they're not going to save a show that gets bad TV ratings.

Those alternative platform ratings won't matter much to NBC, but if they're good enough they could influence a company like Netflix or Hulu to pick up a show after it's cancelled. And honestly, I think that's Constantine's best hope for a season two.
 
Which is why you can't FF or skip ads on some streaming services, like Hulu Plus, which airs Constantine. Even with DVR, there is a way for the shows to make money. Maybe the income on each show should be the factor on ratings other than viewership (which was always a flawed system to begin with)

There's a thought!
 
The Neilson ratings system is stll laughably flawed. It doesn't account foreveryone thats actually tuned in. This show cant be that costly to make. They're filming 20 minutes away from me for ****s sake.
 
The Neilson ratings system is stll laughably flawed. It doesn't account for everyone thats actually tuned in. This show cant be that costly to make. They're filming 20 minutes away from me for ****s sake.

It truly is. I look at the overnights for all shows in the last TV season and they seem alot to be desired compared to the last decade.

You know things are odd when cable shows like, for example, The Walking Dead earn between 10-16 Million viewers while the four major network's overnights look like peanuts in comparison
 
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The Neilson ratings system is stll laughably flawed. It doesn't account foreveryone thats actually tuned in. This show cant be that costly to make. They're filming 20 minutes away from me for ****s sake.

Really?.... Quick! Make like that Ryan Farr guy and snap some pics
 
Yep, it is stupid. Constantine is not a kids show and the comic version has always been a for mature readers title. Moores's Swamp Thing and Hellblazer were for Mature reader titles. Even the current new 52 version of Constantine smokes and the book carries a Rated T+ for (16+) rating.



Constantine Exec producer Daniel Cerone tweeted this

:cwink:

:woot::woot::woot:

So, who was it in the beginning that stated that Constantine would not smoke on the show? Was it Goyer?
 
So what are everyone's thoughts on Jim Corrigan? I'm not sure on him yet. He was okay but he didn't wow me. I also hope that if we do see The Spectre, he'll be clean shaven.
 
Well, I didn't really have any expectations, since I don't know what Corrigan is like in the comics. But I was ok with the actor's performance.
 
I thought the green aura was a hell of a tease for us. That was cool.

I also loved that they just showed John smoking. Like not even hiding it like in episode 2, proper smoking.
 
Well, still not really proper smoking. They still cut away whenever he draws on his cigarette. But at least we get to see him with a lit cigarette in his mouth.
 
The show's version of Corrigan was a huge fresh change from the comics take on him in the last nine years (I'm looking at you, Greg Rucka!...smh)
 
Daniel Cerone ‏@DanielVCerone 4m4 minutes ago

This is an accurately reported story. Our first season is 13 eps. Next season's fate is in YOUR hands.

We continue our quest to raise the ratings further! We can;t afford to lose it altogether.
 

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