Constantine General Discussion Thread - Part 1

[Micromind]

Is Friday really so bad? It seems to suit Hannibal just fine.

There-Is-One-Simple-Reason-No-One-is-Watching-NBCs-Best-Reviewed-Show-Hannibal

Even when the show ("Hannibal") gets good ratings, it's not really that great, at the most it managed to saty at 1.0 which is hardly great.

On an encore dominated Friday, the lone original drama on last night was the Season 2 finale of Hannibal (1.0/3) on NBC at 10 PM. As bloody and visually beautiful as you would expect from the Bryan Fuller-created show based on author Thomas Harris’ infamous characters, Hannibal was up 11% from last week’s show. However, finale-to-finale, last night’s Season 2 closer had an even better night as it rose 19% from the 0.8/2 that the recently renewed series’ Season 1 ender garnered on June 20 last year.

http://deadline.com/2014/05/ratings-rat-race-hannibal-finale-up-what-would-you-do-debuts-even-735624/

The main problem with shows like Hannibal or Constantine is the Friday slot, not the quality of the shows. The Hannibal has adequate funding which make it immune from low ratings.

 

[squeekness]

I can't recall what night Hannibal was on when it started. Monday I think which was a mistake. Can't compete with the Following. No wonder Blacklist moved as well.

 

[famicommander]

You have to understand that NBC didn't just want this series to fail.

There were a lot of issues during production, including re-shooting parts of the pilot and replacing the original female lead. The fact that they even stuck with it after all of that shows that NBC was at least willing to give it a chance.

They put it on Friday night because they thought Grimm would be a compatible lead-in.

If they thought the show had potential to be a bigger hit they would have put it in a better timeslot.

SOMETHING has to air on Fridays, though, and if Constantine had found its audience it would have been fine even on Friday nights. Grimm is about to get its fifth season, after all.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

That is true but NBC did some piss poor marketing with the show, especially after they moved it to 8 pm which was almost unknown to the GA. They didn't do enough to show that this is a completely different take on the character and not the one from the lackluster movie. Had they started it at 8 pm maybe things would have been different but assuming that Grimm's audience was automatically going to tune in was a dumb move.

 

[luis4u]

john is losing his coat in the comics

 

[Fallen Angel]

It's happened before and yet they always go back so this aint "new" New 52 or whatever crap you're calling it these days. Frikin muppets.

 

[luis4u]

Is this for real?!!! Did we really do it!!??



edit is fake

 

[Mr_336]

Is this for real?!!! Did we really do it!!??



edit is fake

Of course its a fake. Twitter doesn't offer FONT options other than just default

 

[Fallen Angel]

This is from the new Constantine: The Hellblazer #1 book. Which DC have relaunched the character...again.

As you can see no trench coat and he look's younger.

 

[KillerWolf]

Am I mistaken or is he wearing a hat? And does he have socks over his trousers?

He genuinely reminds me of this:

I have returned to the "Hellblazer" recently and am reading it from the beginning (what a great writer Delano was), so I'm really curious about this... not that I'll read it, but I wonder will they implement any of the old characters from original comic...? And where is this set? In London or someplace else?

 

[Fallen Angel]

Yep he remind's me of the the classic Sherlock Holmes. I really don't know what they're going for with this relaunch.

This is the solicit from DC on the first issue.


CONSTANTINE: THE HELLBLAZER #1
Written by MING DOYLE and JAMES TYNION IV
Art and cover by RILEY ROSSMO
1:25 Variant cover by MING DOYLE
On sale JUNE 10 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US • RATED T+

The dark adventures of DC’s foremost occult detective continue in an all-new series as he investigates the cruelest case he’s ever come across – his own dark history!

 

[Gee]

For someone who doesn't like current DC, you seem to still show some interest by looking up solicits.

 

[Fallen Angel]

For someone who doesn't like current DC, you seem to still show some interest by looking up solicits.

I like to keep up to date and I do read some New 52 comics but not Superman anymore as they're crap and I was reading that garbage Constantine which isn't a tenth of the Hellblazer book.

 

[KillerWolf]

For someone who doesn't like current DC, you seem to still show some interest by looking up solicits.

Why not? It is interesting to see how an initial idea gets off the track and something changes through the years whether it is for better or worse.

Most of the time, I try to understand the reasoning behind these more extreme changes. Character development and universe-building is, due to my less professional orientation, something that interests me immensely.

 

[KillerWolf]

Yep he remind's me of the the classic Sherlock Holmes. I really don't know what they're going for with this relaunch.

This is the solicit from DC on the first issue.


CONSTANTINE: THE HELLBLAZER #1
Written by MING DOYLE and JAMES TYNION IV
Art and cover by RILEY ROSSMO
1:25 Variant cover by MING DOYLE
On sale JUNE 10 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US • RATED T+

The dark adventures of DC’s foremost occult detective continue in an all-new series as he investigates the cruelest case he’s ever come across – his own dark history!

"Occult Detective". So it's basically Sherlock Holmes meets Harry Dresden, huh?

About "Constantine" comic, they finished it completely? This is a reboot, right?

 

[Fallen Angel]

"Occult Detective". So it's basically Sherlock Holmes meets Harry Dresden, huh?

About "Constantine" comic, they finished it completely? This is a reboot, right?

Yeah this is the new and only book. They can't get one book right Wolfie never mind attempting two at the same time.

 

[Gee]

I like to keep up to date and I do read some New 52 comics but not Superman anymore as they're crap and I was reading that garbage Constantine which isn't a tenth of the Hellblazer book.

Oh. I know you mostly don't like N52 so I thought you hated everything from it.

Eh, we'll see about this new relaunch. I haven't read much N52 Constantine besides some JLD stuff. I really need to get back into the Vertigo stuff but I've got so many books on my wishlist that get bumped up.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Oh. I know you mostly don't like N52 so I thought you hated everything from it.

Eh, we'll see about this new relaunch. I haven't read much N52 Constantine besides some JLD stuff. I really need to get back into the Vertigo stuff but I've got so many books on my wishlist that get bumped up.

It's cool man when you hear me say the New 52 is crap in the BvS boards just take it to mean from the Superman side of things. As I despise everything they've nearly done with his character and his mythos since the New 52 relaunch.

 

[KillerWolf]

Yeah this is the new and only book. They can't get one book right Wolfie never mind attempting two at the same time.

Fair point. t:

Anyway, I never liked the idea of Constantine being this cliche, dark and troubled hero that seeks trouble and brings justice. He should be more the one that brings trouble than seeks it, or who's just unlucky and arrogant enough to constantly get in shi*ty situations.

I kinda had the same problem with the series to an extent. They have tried to depict him as a bastard and did some nice fan service with some episodes. though.

 

[chamber-music]

Fair point. t:

Anyway, I never liked the idea of Constantine being this cliche, dark and troubled hero that seeks trouble and brings justice. He should be more the one that brings trouble than seeks it, or who's just unlucky and arrogant enough to constantly get in shi*ty situations.

I kinda had the same problem with the series to an extent. They have tried to depict him as a bastard and did some nice fan service with some episodes. though.

Agreed.

I prefer Constantine when he is a magnet for trouble. I prefer John investigate occult stuff not out of a sense of heroic justice but for his own personal interests (saving someone in return for a favour, part of some larger scheme he has going, to save a friend, merely because he is curious, ect).

John generally isn't an altruistic kind of guy. John will save the world because saving the world means saving himself or because he is on an ego trip. My memory on every issue of Hellblazer is a bit hazy but I remember one issue in which John assembled a bunch of his occult buddies to save the world and they all told him to go to hell.

 

[Jason Kane]

Agreed.

I prefer Constantine when he is a magnet for trouble. I prefer John investigate occult stuff not out of a sense of heroic justice but for his own personal interests (saving someone in return for a favour, part of some larger scheme he has going, to save a friend, merely because he is curious, ect).

John generally isn't an altruistic kind of guy. John will save the world because saving the world means saving himself or because he is on an ego trip. My memory on every issue of Hellblazer is a bit hazy but I remember one issue in which John assembled a bunch of his occult buddies to save the world and they all told him to go to hell.

Staring At The Wall. Of course that happened at the beginning of Pt 3 (#191) after the Shadow Dog got released and mauled Jason Spatchcock (Angie's brother) from the previous issue before

 

[KillerWolf]

Agreed.

I prefer Constantine when he is a magnet for trouble. I prefer John investigate occult stuff not out of a sense of heroic justice but for his own personal interests (saving someone in return for a favour, part of some larger scheme he has going, to save a friend, merely because he is curious, ect).

John generally isn't an altruistic kind of guy. John will save the world because saving the world means saving himself or because he is on an ego trip. My memory on every issue of Hellblazer is a bit hazy but I remember one issue in which John assembled a bunch of his occult buddies to save the world and they all told him to go to hell.

Exactly.

 

[Demon Hunter]

They need to renew Constantine!

I'm sorry but I can't get it. DC focuses on properties like iZombie but cannot make networks continue Constantine, which is getting a huge fanbase.

We don't need 100 DC properties, but what we actually need is making sure that the good ones stay on air.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Sometimes its' the marketing man. There's been excellent movies but were marketed the wrong way and not enough people went to see so it didn't make money.

 

[KillerWolf]

Yeah, this. And they'll probably drop that iZombie thing after first season too.

They don't seem to be giving their shows much of a chance.