JewishHobbit
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Darn it,.. I was hoping for this one. Oh well, good job Harlekin 

Phaedrus45 said:Frankie Raye vs. Black Bolt:
Well, Black Bolt's record speaks for itself. After a real easy opponent in the first round, Nick Fury, he's faced and beaten some of the best and most difficult characters that Marvel has to offer (and, very different in abilities): Kid Omega, Abomination, and Jack Of Hearts. And, for once, Black Bolt will be facing someone similiar in abilities that he just faced with Jack Of Hearts, Frankie Raye. So, logic would state that if BB can take down Jack, he'll be able to do the same with Frankie.
What's going to be a big time match-up will be if Black Bolt has to battle High Evolutionary next round.
Winner - Black Bolt
POWdER-man said:Just for clarification for those who may not follow as closely, because that statement is a bit misleading.
Phaedrus owns(ed) Jack of hearts so he made a choice in the end who he favored and chose to continue
As well as Abomination.....
And don't get me started on Kid Omega, don't be bringing THAT up...
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Phaedrus45 said:Yes, but Black Bolt has to still fight them, and the people chose who they believed won the match. I went with the votes each time, which with Abomination and Jack was a slaughter. And, Jack is very similiar to Frankie.
WOLVERINE25TH said:SPIDER-GIRL vs. EZEKIAL
But therin lies his greatest downfall; Spider-Girl is NOT Spider-Man. Granted, May have trouble at first, but she's younger than E, meaning she can push a lot more than he can. Also, E has never given any indication of a spider-sense, which May has used a LOT more effectively than her pops has lately (bullet CATCHING, anyone?) plus the added bonus of tactile telekinesis. That's right, old Mayday can not only FLING stuff, but propel them at her foe. This, plus web-shooters, gives her the added advantage of range. And, of course, we have the old Parker determination. Ya know, when the chips are down SG pulls up all the rage, all the hate, all her emptions and rolls them up into a major smackdown (most recently, the Scrier). May is a whole new breed of Spider, and E may have met his match.
WINNER: SPIDER-GIRL
POWdER-man said:Hence favored (and debated).....if someone actually debated on Jack's behalf I don't think it would have had the same results...
Phaedrus45 said:Not to me. I think the results would have been very similiar. To me, my toughest foe I've faced in any match was Kid Omega, hands down. The other three opponents were easy in comparison. And, as for debating changing the vote, I would hope that most people are intelligent enough to take both characters abilities into question when making a vote. There have been some times where a debate has changed someone's mind; but, for the most part people know these characters and probably still vote with what their gut tells them.
POWdER-man said:I am not looking at arguing this but the only reason why it was a difficult matchup because I debated the HELL out of it for TWO WEEKS. You called my character Kid Wimp because you had no respect for him. If those two were both your characters I imagine it would have had the same result as Jack and Abomination. Probably worse because you would have demeaned that character even more than you did when I had him. Plus no one would stick up for Kid Omega like I did.
Nick Fury was easy because it was a mismatch, so you really can't say that was a BIG accomplishment. The other two, if I had them(especially Jack of Hearts), I would have debated the match as best as I could. And I could tell you now it would have been a closer result, if it wasn't switched.
I am not debating this matchup, I just think it's a questionable tactic since you owned both characters and you debated for Blackbolt.
Harlekin could argue it any further because I was initially just pointing out something.
Harlekin said:I'll get into this whole thing tomorrow if you don't mind. School is the priority at the moment.
JewishHobbit said:Thanos Vs Hyperion (Exiles)
Man, this is a tough match, but I'll admit that Thanos has the overall advantage, but I firmly believe that Hyperion has a chance here. Please read through this NOVEL and get all that I say. See through the 3am tired rambling and find the truth, that Hyperion CAN beat the Titan.
The first mistake that I think anyone will make when thinking of Hyperion, is that they simply think of him as a "dumb brute" but he isn't just that. He's REALLY tough. I decided to list some feats that he's been shown doing during his time in the Exiles comic. Now note, any deaths were other worlds versions of the people, but nonetheless, they are them:
-Hyperion personally killed: Vision, an army of Sentinels, Colossus, Kitty Pryde, Wolverine, Mystique, Magneto, Forge Quicksilver, Reed Richards, Thor, Magik, Hulk, Holocaust, and Namora. Not to mention countless other heroes of worlds that he tried to take over, and these people listed aren't even the people he had help with.
Impressive, but nothing Thanos' couldn't do if he truly wished to kill them. He's killed/beat the ever-lovin' crap out of his share of characters such as Adam Warlock, Thor, Thing, Silver Surfer, etc.
- He's quick enough to catch a fully running Quicksilver by the throat and snap it.
Yep, which is why I said Hyperion's speed is his advantage. Just like Thanos' superior intellect and variety of cosmic manipulation is his.
- He withstood the heat of a point blank meteor (while trying to stop it), the same heat that burnt Rogue to a crisp.
Nothing Thanos could not do. Hell, he's survived an entire planet exploding without any injury. Was just kind of relaxing in the aftermath while floating in space.
- His heat vision was enough to kill the Hulk with one blast, as well as disintegrate Wolverine, adamantium and all.
Again, nothing Thanos could not do. Especially considering that Hulk was weaker than the 616 one.
- He can survive just fine in space, just as Thanos can
- He snorted Holocaust through his nose!!!
Nothing Thanos could not do; Holocaust is really overrated.
- He absorbs solar and other types of energy of that nature, and it makes him stronger
Yep, and he can also be drained of said energy. And has a clearly defined weakness in Argonite. Both things the Titan would use against him. But, I'll touch more on that later.
- Namora turned his head completely around, breaking his neck. He laughed, turned it back around, and fried her.
Yeah, it was a cool scene, and showed how tough Hyperion is. But, Thanos has survived attacks just as bad if not worse.
- Each of his body's cells are like little batteries and they can rebuild themselves when damaged (though it can take time). He rebuilt himself from being evaporated to nothing but a head and shoulders.
As you said, if it's a major attack it would take time. The battle would be over and Thanos would be victorious before Hyperion could reform.
- He caught Mimic's hand while in Colossus form, and crushed it with ease.
Nothing Thanos couldn't do.
- As powerful as he is, he held his own against two alternate versions of himself just fine.
Nothing Thanos couldn't do. He's survived and held his own against beings much more powerful than Hyperion (Odin for example).
So all that is to show that he's one tough cookie that can take the beatings Thanos can dish out. He was able to fight two of himself just fine. He killed he Hulk with a single blast of his eyes. He snapped Thor's neck. He's tough.
And so is Thanos. At the very least, he's just as tough as Hyperion is.
However, I am not dense enough to believe that all his strength and heat vision to be enough to win this match. Fortunately he has killer resources, and he's not as dumb as you'd think. If this match just suddenly started and Thanos was before him, he'd just attack and mock and get killed. But he has a forced 24 hours to prepare, and I think that would help.
No, I know he's not dumb, such as Drax. But, he's nowhere even near Thanos' league as far as planning and strategies go. Thanos would run circles around him in that department. It'd be like comparing a forest fire to a match. Just can't hold up.
His main resource is 'home base.' He was the first person to discover the secret behind the Exiles and Weapon X, and he took control of the Timebreaker's layer long before the Exiles showed up to take it over. For those of you who aren't familiar with this, this is a place between dimensions packed with bugs. It's all crystal-like and it watches and records everything that happens in every dimension. Hyperion won't know who Thanos is, but he can go to these computers and search through the worlds and not only learn who Thanos is, but also all his strengths and weaknesses, not to mention any reality version of him. He can study all the ways his powers have been used and he can watch all the ways that he has died or fallen in battle. Needless to say, Hyperion will go into this match with 100% knowledge on Thanos.
Actually, there are no other reality versions of Thanos. He's a unique being in the entire multiverse. And, yes, this has been stated in one of his appearances. One of the Infinity mini's IIRC. Might have been the IW series though. Can't remember off hand.
And Thanos' only real weakness is his feeling that he is unworthy of ultimate power. Thus, every time he gains godlike power, he set's himself up for his own fall. That would have no part in this match whatsoever. So, as far as finding an exploitable weakness goes, Hyperion would be out of luck.
Thanos however, shouldn't know Hyperion from a hole in the wall. Yes, Thanos watches all that happens on earth, but no Hyperion has ever originated on Earth and has only visited rarely. It could be possible that Thanos somehow watched during one of these minuet times, but with no proof of it in the comics, and no mention of him ever witnessing or encountering Hyperion, I think it's best to assume he has no knowledge of him. Anything else would simply be making up stories and occurrences for the benefit of the match.
The Squadron Sinister and Supreme have been to 616 Earth before. And it is known that Thanos has explored and mapped countless other dimensions. Considering how much of a knowledge ****e he is (probably the biggest one in all of comics), it's not far-fetched at all to think that he'd have something on the entire Squadron, let alone Hyperion. Especially considering that Hyperion is not a unique being like Thanos in that there's different versions of him in a lot of different dimensions/realities.
So advantage #1 is that Hyperion knows everything about Thanos, and Thanos knows nothing about Hyperion. This may be enough, maybe not, but wait, there's more.
Again, that's a very far out assumption you make, Hobbit. Honestly, I'm kinda surprised by it.
The second part of this is that many think Hyperion to be a DUMB brute who isn't very calculated, or intelligent, but this isn't true. We learned that while he was in control of the Exile's current timebroker base, he watched the Exiles and made it difficult for them. He began to plan and think his way through this and showed that he can actually be calculating and intelligent. One thing that he did was place Holocaust on the team to make it difficult for them. Another is that he placed the Age of Apocalypse Sabretooth on the team so that he'd distract Blink and make her a less effective leader, which worked. He also analyzed Blink's powers and learned a way to keep her from hurting him, but vibrating and offsetting her shards. He can think, and he can plan if given time, which he has.
Yes, he's not a dumb brute, ala the Hulk or Drax. He is intelligent and will use sound tactics in a fight. But, as said above, he's not even close to being in Thanos' league when it comes to preparing for a match. Thanos has masterminded schemes that would make Doom jealous. With his resourses and genius he'd definitely be able to come up with a way to take him down, whether he knew his weaknesses or not. An example that I used earlier was his stasis gun. A gun that would hold Hyperion in a stasis cube for hours.
So now I think all this really helps Hyperion out. He can study Thanos, his history, his methods, his strengths, his defeats, his powers, etc, and he can prepare for them. Thanos is a master planner and intelligent, but he doesn't know what he's planning for. Also note, for the heck of it, that Thanos has been shown using a lack of common sense, nearly costing him. This can be seen as when he discarded a cosmic cube before claiming it's power, which was then used by Marvel to depower him of what power he had just gained (I think I got that right). He also showed his moronic side in the Infinity Gauntlet by depowering HIMSELF to battle the heroes of the earth. That nearly cost him dearly. I'm thinking he did something else stupid in that series in regards to the dead chick that got the gauntlet from him, but I dont' remember what it was. Anyhow, Thanos isn't as perfect as people think, he has his flaws and he's had his moments of stupidity.
As mentioned above, the only time he's used a lack of common sense or shown stupidity like you bring up was when he possessed ultimate power. Deep down, he feels unworthy of having that kind of god-like power and sets himself up to lose it. If he felt himself worthy of that power, there'd be nothing anyone could do to stop him.
Other than those instances, and the joke comics like the Super Stories, he's used perfect common sense.
And the undead chick was Nebula, who claimed to be his granddaughter.
I think Ive defended Hyperion enough, so the question comes, how can he actually BEAT Thanos? There are actually quite a few things he can do. Now, Im going to have to leave some of this to your imagination as I dont know Thanos that well and havent read anything with him in it, save the Infinity Gauntlet, which isnt this version of Thanos.
So you make all these assumptions on the Titan when you pretty much have zero experience with him? Please don't take offense to this Hobbit as I do respect you, but I'm kind of disappointed.![]()
But Hyperion would prepare against Thanos by studying him and seeing how hes fallen in the past. If there has ever been an item that took him out, he can travel to that world, claim that item, and bring it back. Then hed take it into battle against Thanos to add to his already enormous power. Another thought is that he can study Thanos powers and calculate in the computers how he would be best to defend himself against them, and then do so. He can study Thanos control over his molecular structure and find something on some elseworld that can attack that and bring it into battle. Maybe he can bring things that have nothing to do with Thanos that are just powerful, things like the gun that Forge made that can kill the Hulk, etc. (man, this place is the best resource ever!).
It really is a good resource. One of the reasons I got Blink for my DTL team.
Still, wouldn't an item from another world not be part of his resourses? If that's not the case, what's to stop Thanos from doing the same thing?
Something that Im thinking is that Hyperion absorbs such things as solar energy, and I wonder if that could extend to cosmic energy in general? I cant say for certain, but its possible that Thanos cosmic rays could actually help Hyperion. If not, then he can at least put up with them for a while.
No, they would not help him. He's not the Silver Surfer, able to manipulate all forms of energy. He's pretty much Marvel's Superman, though a bit more powerful (at least the evil Exiles version is). He's strictly limited to solar energy. And his toughness should allow him to take a beating from Thanos' cosmic blasts anyway.
Some simple ideas is simply that Hyperion studies Thanos and goes toe to toe with him in a fit of strength to see who would win, maybe frying his head off before the match can even get too far in.
Thanos has survived much, much worse. I'd doubt his heat vision would "fry his head off". It would hurt and probably fry off his armor, but that's about it. And that's going under the assumption that Thanos is going into a fight without any shields, which he pretty much always has at his disposal.
But for those of you who think that NONE of these other possibilities would work, or theyre too vague, heres a last possible route that is full proof (if not a bit cheap). He can give himself a talus (the thing that Blink wears that connects her to the base). From this talus hell be able to access the things of the base, as well as the teleporting feature and such. He will possibly know that Thanos is too much for him, but he doesnt want to lose, and he doesnt want too cheap of a victory, so hed study and research, trying to find the absolute worse place in the bases maps. Then when he ports to the location, he and Thanos will encounter one another. Now Thanos likes to talk, and so does Hyperion, so theyll meat and begin to discuss evil things as evil people do, trying to learn from one another. Hyperion will then simply use the talus to have the crystal base teleport Thanos to whatever planet/dimension that he deemed most worthy of torturing him. Thanos is removed from the battle with little effort, much to Hyperions dislike.
Why do people always assume Thanos will just stand around in a fight and talk away? That's the biggest BS I've heard.
He would not exchange any kind of pleasantries with Hyperion pre-fight. Now, he would definitely talk while fighting, but he wouldn't just have a little talk with Hyperion before throwing down.
Thanos knows this is a battle. And, remembering his first fight against Xavier, he would take this fight with the upmost seriousness.
And what's to stop Thanos from simply teleporting Hyperion into a black hole for instance? It goes both ways.
I know, Im all over the place with this post, but I hope you can get what Im trying to say basically, Hyperion has enough resources to be a match for Thanos, and several ways where he can pull it off. If you want Thanos gone from this tournament, this is the round to make your voice heard! (And with that, its nearly 3 in the morning; Im off to bed).
Winner Hyperion (Exiles)