Contest Of Marvels (Thread 1)

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The Location this week will be in the alternate universe shown in Marvel Zombies. Where a virus has turned all the superheroes into flesh eating zombies.....good luck







j/k


I thought I would give you guys a heart attack.

REAL LOCATION THIS WEEK

DUCKWORLD!!!! Yeah that's right. It's the home planet of Howard the Duck, where ducks are the dominant species. There will be plenty of ducks around, so feel free to kill any. You will be inside a city that is awfully characteristic of New York, but just more duck.
 
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BRACKET 1,

Match 1:

Hyperion-Exiles(JH) bio



vs.

Thanos(BLAZE) bio




Match 2:

Spider-Girl(WOLVERINE) bio



vs.

Ezekial(PHAED) bio

 
BRACKET 2,

Match 1:

High Evolutionary (PHAED) bio



vs.

Proctor (WIEGEABO) bio




Match 2:

Frankie Raye (HARLEKIN) bio



vs.

Blackbolt (PHAED) bio

 
Hyperion-Exiles(JH)
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vs.

Thanos(BLAZE)
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This is the toughest test Thanos will have faced thus far in this tournament. Hyperion is a big time bruiser with class 100 strength, and so is Thanos. Still, Thanos is able to increase his strength, as well as his other physical abilities, with his ability to channel cosmic energy. They're both extremely durable and would be able to take a real beating from one another. They both have their ranged attacks.

Hyperion's big advantage would be his flight and his speed (even though in his last appearance it has been seen that Thanos can fly, or levitate. The true range of this power is still unknown). Still, Thanos his his big advantages as well, such as his natural Eternal powers of total molecular control, his ability to channel cosmic energy for a variety of effects, and transmutation.
The biggest advantage Thanos has, and a major one at that, is his vast intellgence. Hyperion is not the master planner Thanos is. Not even close. He's pretty much a super powered brute. A damn powerful super powered brute.

Thanos' most dangerous weapon is his keen mind. He is a genius inventor on the level of Reed Richards and is one of the greatest tactical minds in the Marvel U. With twenty four hours of preptime, Thanos would have plenty of time to learn about Hyperion (he is one of the biggest knowledge ****es in all of comics and has been said to monitor Earth intently as well as other dimensions, so it is likely he has info on Hyperion) and gather a means to neatralize his powers: argonite (pretty much his kryptonite).

Thanos could also use his stasis gun on Hyperion to trap him in a stasis block. And the block would definitely hold Hyperion as it has held Thor when the Thunderer was stricken with warrior madness and in posession of the Power Gem. It wouldn't be hard for him to trap him in stasis and send him into a black hole or what not.

Bottom line, Hyperion is a tough bastich, but Thanos is just as tough if not tougher. And, with his superior intellect in science and battle tactics, and all his resources, Thanos should be able to pull out a victory in a good fight.
 
Just letting Blaze and JH know that I understand this will be a very difficult battle to decide on who to vote for. Heck, it could easily have been the final two characters if they had been in seperate brackets. With that said, I am not above bribery. I will gladly auction off my vote. :D
 
Spider-Girl vs. Ezekial:

Three matches in one bracket...thought I'd start off with this meaningless match. (Why meaningless? Take a look at who the winner is going to have to face next round!) Anyway, this is an excellent match...but, it really comes down to age and experience.

Face it. Anyone who reads Spider-Girl knows that even though she's about to reach her 100th issue, the gal is still a novice at many things. She often gets her butt handed to her, especially when dealing with a foe for the first time. (Which, she would in this match-up.) Also, Ezekial would totally have the upper hand, as he knows all about Peter's spider powers and how they work. He's been using his powers all his life, and has even bested the original Spider-Man.

Winner - Ezekial
 
High Evolutionary vs. Proctor:

Again, I would like to draw everyone's attention to the following bio on High Evolutionary: http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/High_Evolutionary
As it states:

Known Powers: The High Evolutionary possesses vast psionic power, further augmented by his armor.
  • Extrasensory Powers of Clairaudience, Clairvoyance, Cosmic Awareness and a form of Danger Sense;
  • Astral Projection; He can survive apart from his physical body for an indefinite period of time.
  • Mental Invisibility; the High Evolutionary is normally undectable even by other powerful telepaths
  • Aside from telepathically communicating with other humans, the High Evolutionary can also telepathically communicate with animals and cybernetic systems
  • Telekinesis used for levitation, flight, forcefields and blasts
  • He is an expert in linguistics and can even use a form of ventriloquism
  • Total Memory
  • Matter Creation--all types including lifeforms simply by his intense force of will.
  • His suit is designed to protect it's wearer at all costs
  • His suit can regenerate his body or create a new body for him if needed.
  • His suit provides complete life support for Wyndham
Known Abilities: Skilled in science, especially relating to genetics and engineering.
Strength Level: Strength level unknown

Now, in regards to his total memory, HE will know everything there is about Proctor...he retains everything written about anyone...and, there would be enough about Proctor at this point that he'd have access to that knowledge. High Evolutionary will be prepared for Proctor in every way, and with HE's mental powers, Proctor won't even know where he is.

Winner - High Evolutionary
 
Frankie Raye vs. Black Bolt:

Well, Black Bolt's record speaks for itself. After a real easy opponent in the first round, Nick Fury, he's faced and beaten some of the best and most difficult characters that Marvel has to offer (and, very different in abilities): Kid Omega, Abomination, and Jack Of Hearts. And, for once, Black Bolt will be facing someone similiar in abilities that he just faced with Jack Of Hearts, Frankie Raye. So, logic would state that if BB can take down Jack, he'll be able to do the same with Frankie.

What's going to be a big time match-up will be if Black Bolt has to battle High Evolutionary next round.

Winner - Black Bolt
 
SPIDER-GIRL vs. EZEKIAL

But therin lies his greatest downfall; Spider-Girl is NOT Spider-Man. Granted, May have trouble at first, but she's younger than E, meaning she can push a lot more than he can. Also, E has never given any indication of a spider-sense, which May has used a LOT more effectively than her pops has lately (bullet CATCHING, anyone?) plus the added bonus of tactile telekinesis. That's right, old Mayday can not only FLING stuff, but propel them at her foe. This, plus web-shooters, gives her the added advantage of range. And, of course, we have the old Parker determination. Ya know, when the chips are down SG pulls up all the rage, all the hate, all her emptions and rolls them up into a major smackdown (most recently, the Scrier). May is a whole new breed of Spider, and E may have met his match.

WINNER: SPIDER-GIRL
 
Phaedrus45 said:
Frankie Raye vs. Black Bolt:

Well, Black Bolt's record speaks for itself. After a real easy opponent in the first round, Nick Fury, he's faced and beaten some of the best and most difficult characters that Marvel has to offer (and, very different in abilities): Kid Omega, Abomination, and Jack Of Hearts. And, for once, Black Bolt will be facing someone similiar in abilities that he just faced with Jack Of Hearts, Frankie Raye. So, logic would state that if BB can take down Jack, he'll be able to do the same with Frankie.

What's going to be a big time match-up will be if Black Bolt has to battle High Evolutionary next round.

Winner - Black Bolt

Just for clarification for those who may not follow as closely, because that statement is a bit misleading.

Phaedrus owns(ed) Jack of hearts so he made a choice in the end who he favored and chose to continue

As well as Abomination.....

And don't get me started on Kid Omega, don't be bringing THAT up...:rolleyes:




:D
 
POWdER-man said:
Just for clarification for those who may not follow as closely, because that statement is a bit misleading.

Phaedrus owns(ed) Jack of hearts so he made a choice in the end who he favored and chose to continue

As well as Abomination.....

And don't get me started on Kid Omega, don't be bringing THAT up...:rolleyes:




:D

Yes, but Black Bolt has to still fight them, and the people chose who they believed won the match. I went with the votes each time, which with Abomination and Jack was a slaughter. And, Jack is very similiar to Frankie.
 
Although, Black Bolt woulda lost that fight. Jack can breath in space, Bolt can't. If he spoke and decimated the place, he'da been dead. If Jack had created a hole, Bolt woulda been dead.
 
Phaedrus45 said:
Yes, but Black Bolt has to still fight them, and the people chose who they believed won the match. I went with the votes each time, which with Abomination and Jack was a slaughter. And, Jack is very similiar to Frankie.

Hence favored (and debated).....if someone actually debated on Jack's behalf I don't think it would have had the same results...
 
WOLVERINE25TH said:
SPIDER-GIRL vs. EZEKIAL

But therin lies his greatest downfall; Spider-Girl is NOT Spider-Man. Granted, May have trouble at first, but she's younger than E, meaning she can push a lot more than he can. Also, E has never given any indication of a spider-sense, which May has used a LOT more effectively than her pops has lately (bullet CATCHING, anyone?) plus the added bonus of tactile telekinesis. That's right, old Mayday can not only FLING stuff, but propel them at her foe. This, plus web-shooters, gives her the added advantage of range. And, of course, we have the old Parker determination. Ya know, when the chips are down SG pulls up all the rage, all the hate, all her emptions and rolls them up into a major smackdown (most recently, the Scrier). May is a whole new breed of Spider, and E may have met his match.

WINNER: SPIDER-GIRL

Yes, I will agree with one statement, "Spider-Girl is NOT Spider-Man." To somewhat quote a famous political debate, "I know Spider-Man; and, Spider-Girl is no Spider-Man." To put it simply, Spider-Girl has a not-to-impressive rogue's gallery. If you put any of the villians that Mayday Parker has faced in a one-on-one match versus Peter Parker, I doubt highly that those villians would get a single vote. Meanwhile, Ezekial went head-to-head with Spidey and bested him. (Sure, he used drugs to amplify his abilities; but, there is no reason to believe he couldn't do it again.)

As with the spider-sense, there is nothing that says he has or doesn't have it. What we do know is that even though Peter does have it, it didn't help him. And, Ezekial is not going to be too surprised by anything that Spider-Girl throws at him. He understands these powers, he has studied them...something we've never seen Mayday really do. She knows nothing about the Spider-Gods and what her superhuman abilities really mean. That's a big plus to have in a battle between two people of similiar abilities.

Winner - Ezekial
 
POWdER-man said:
Hence favored (and debated).....if someone actually debated on Jack's behalf I don't think it would have had the same results...

Not to me. I think the results would have been very similiar. To me, my toughest foe I've faced in any match was Kid Omega, hands down. The other three opponents were easy in comparison. And, as for debating changing the vote, I would hope that most people are intelligent enough to take both characters abilities into question when making a vote. There have been some times where a debate has changed someone's mind; but, for the most part people know these characters and probably still vote with what their gut tells them.


As for Wolverine's quote about the previous match, "Although, Black Bolt woulda lost that fight. Jack can breath in space, Bolt can't. If he spoke and decimated the place, he'da been dead. If Jack had created a hole, Bolt woulda been dead," I would simply point out another quote, "Other possible manifestations of this harnessed electron energy include electron energy blasts, flight, enhanced strength (the "Master Blow" being a superhuman punch), ability to survive in space, and the ability to analyze and manipulate matter." (Quote from Wikipedia.) So, it would be nice to have that statement stricken from record of anyone trying to decide who would win this match-up.

Black Bolt isn't all about his ability to speak, even though that is definitely his most devestating weapon. His abilities are all effected by his ability to harness free-floating electrons. As his bio states in one section:

"He can form a field of highly-active electrons around himself with the wave of a hand, said field being capable of deflecting projectiles up to the mass of an MX missile traveling at its maximum speed. He can create particle / electron interaction fields solid enough to be traveled upon, though this phenomenon is a particularly difficult and exhausting one. He can use these electron fields as extrasensory probes which are highly sensitive to other electromagnetic energy phenomena."

That alone shows that he would have been able to deflect anything that Jack Of Hearts OR Frankie Raye has to deliver at him. Also, if anyone remembers Frankie Raye, she wasn't the best Herald that Galactus ever had, that's for sure. In fact, it could possibly be debated she was the weakest of the group, even dying at the hands of Morg during the famous Herald Ordeal.

Winner - Black Bolt
 
Phaedrus45 said:
Not to me. I think the results would have been very similiar. To me, my toughest foe I've faced in any match was Kid Omega, hands down. The other three opponents were easy in comparison. And, as for debating changing the vote, I would hope that most people are intelligent enough to take both characters abilities into question when making a vote. There have been some times where a debate has changed someone's mind; but, for the most part people know these characters and probably still vote with what their gut tells them.

I am not looking at arguing this but the only reason why it was a difficult matchup because I debated the HELL out of it for TWO WEEKS. You called my character Kid Wimp because you had no respect for him. If those two were both your characters I imagine it would have had the same result as Jack and Abomination. Probably worse because you would have demeaned that character even more than you did when I had him. Plus no one would stick up for Kid Omega like I did.

Nick Fury was easy because it was a mismatch, so you really can't say that was a BIG accomplishment. The other two, if I had them(especially Jack of Hearts), I would have debated the match as best as I could. And I could tell you now it would have been a closer result, if it wasn't switched.

I am not debating this matchup, I just think it's a questionable tactic since you owned both characters and you debated for Blackbolt.

Harlekin could argue it any further because I was initially just pointing out something.
 
POWdER-man said:
I am not looking at arguing this but the only reason why it was a difficult matchup because I debated the HELL out of it for TWO WEEKS. You called my character Kid Wimp because you had no respect for him. If those two were both your characters I imagine it would have had the same result as Jack and Abomination. Probably worse because you would have demeaned that character even more than you did when I had him. Plus no one would stick up for Kid Omega like I did.

Nick Fury was easy because it was a mismatch, so you really can't say that was a BIG accomplishment. The other two, if I had them(especially Jack of Hearts), I would have debated the match as best as I could. And I could tell you now it would have been a closer result, if it wasn't switched.

I am not debating this matchup, I just think it's a questionable tactic since you owned both characters and you debated for Blackbolt.

Harlekin could argue it any further because I was initially just pointing out something.

Actually, I have a lot of respect for Kid Omega. And, if I owned them both, I don't know who I would have picked. (I have even said that when we had the rematch, if it came down to me not owning Black Bolt, I would have chosen Kid Omega. Of course, it wasn't mentioned until after the match.) Anyway, the reason I'm debating it is two fold. One, the people did speak with very little in the way of me trying to convince them. And, it wasn't even close. Black Bolt won 14 - 0 over Abomination and 7-2 over Jack Of Hearts. And, to be additionally honest, if either Abomination or Jack went against Kid Omega, I sincerly believe it would have been just as big as a blow out, with or without debate.

And, my second reason for debating your statement is because both you and Wolverine made remarks against my debate...both of which I think were disparaging. You discredited the voting process and Wolverine made an untruth. And, that's alright, but this late in the game with so much at stake, it was really up to Harlekin to say if he believes my wins are a fluke.
 
I could retort, but I dunno if I wanna. Really is pointless considerin'.
 
I'll get into this whole thing tomorrow if you don't mind. School is the priority at the moment.
 
Harlekin said:
I'll get into this whole thing tomorrow if you don't mind. School is the priority at the moment.

That's cool. As you can see, I've asked for an extension on debating to let some of you guys get a chance to debate your matches.
 
Okay, I'd like to know how it is that I FORGOT about the matches this week?!!!

Alright, I'll try to have a debate up soon. If I don't get one up tonight then I'll try to have one up tomorrow sometime (busy couple of days).
 
Thanos Vs Hyperion (Exiles)

Man, this is a tough match, but I'll admit that Thanos has the overall advantage, but I firmly believe that Hyperion has a chance here. Please read through this NOVEL and get all that I say. See through the 3am tired rambling and find the truth, that Hyperion CAN beat the Titan.

The first mistake that I think anyone will make when thinking of Hyperion, is that they simply think of him as a "dumb brute" but he isn't just that. He's REALLY tough. I decided to list some feats that he's been shown doing during his time in the Exiles comic. Now note, any deaths were other worlds versions of the people, but nonetheless, they are them:

-Hyperion personally killed: Vision, an army of Sentinels, Colossus, Kitty Pryde, Wolverine, Mystique, Magneto, Forge Quicksilver, Reed Richards, Thor, Magik, Hulk, Holocaust, and Namora. Not to mention countless other heroes of worlds that he tried to take over, and these people listed aren't even the people he had help with.

- He's quick enough to catch a fully running Quicksilver by the throat and snap it.

- He withstood the heat of a point blank meteor (while trying to stop it), the same heat that burnt Rogue to a crisp.

- His heat vision was enough to kill the Hulk with one blast, as well as disintegrate Wolverine, adamantium and all.

- He can survive just fine in space, just as Thanos can

- He snorted Holocaust through his nose!!!

- He absorbs solar and other types of energy of that nature, and it makes him stronger

- Namora turned his head completely around, breaking his neck. He laughed, turned it back around, and fried her.

- Each of his body's cells are like little batteries and they can rebuild themselves when damaged (though it can take time). He rebuilt himself from being evaporated to nothing but a head and shoulders.

- He caught Mimic's hand while in Colossus form, and crushed it with ease.

- As powerful as he is, he held his own against two alternate versions of himself just fine.

So all that is to show that he's one tough cookie that can take the beatings Thanos can dish out. He was able to fight two of himself just fine. He killed he Hulk with a single blast of his eyes. He snapped Thor's neck. He's tough.

However, I am not dense enough to believe that all his strength and heat vision to be enough to win this match. Fortunately he has killer resources, and he's not as dumb as you'd think. If this match just suddenly started and Thanos was before him, he'd just attack and mock and get killed. But he has a forced 24 hours to prepare, and I think that would help.

His main resource is 'home base.' He was the first person to discover the secret behind the Exiles and Weapon X, and he took control of the Timebreaker's layer long before the Exiles showed up to take it over. For those of you who aren't familiar with this, this is a place between dimensions packed with bugs. It's all crystal-like and it watches and records everything that happens in every dimension. Hyperion won't know who Thanos is, but he can go to these computers and search through the worlds and not only learn who Thanos is, but also all his strengths and weaknesses, not to mention any reality version of him. He can study all the ways his powers have been used and he can watch all the ways that he has died or fallen in battle. Needless to say, Hyperion will go into this match with 100% knowledge on Thanos. Thanos however, shouldn't know Hyperion from a hole in the wall. Yes, Thanos watches all that happens on earth, but no Hyperion has ever originated on Earth and has only visited rarely. It could be possible that Thanos somehow watched during one of these minuet times, but with no proof of it in the comics, and no mention of him ever witnessing or encountering Hyperion, I think it's best to assume he has no knowledge of him. Anything else would simply be making up stories and occurrences for the benefit of the match.

So advantage #1 is that Hyperion knows everything about Thanos, and Thanos knows nothing about Hyperion. This may be enough, maybe not, but wait, there's more.

The second part of this is that many think Hyperion to be a DUMB brute who isn't very calculated, or intelligent, but this isn't true. We learned that while he was in control of the Exile's current timebroker base, he watched the Exiles and made it difficult for them. He began to plan and think his way through this and showed that he can actually be calculating and intelligent. One thing that he did was place Holocaust on the team to make it difficult for them. Another is that he placed the Age of Apocalypse Sabretooth on the team so that he'd distract Blink and make her a less effective leader, which worked. He also analyzed Blink's powers and learned a way to keep her from hurting him, but vibrating and offsetting her shards. He can think, and he can plan if given time, which he has.

So now I think all this really helps Hyperion out. He can study Thanos, his history, his methods, his strengths, his defeats, his powers, etc, and he can prepare for them. Thanos is a master planner and intelligent, but he doesn't know what he's planning for. Also note, for the heck of it, that Thanos has been shown using a lack of common sense, nearly costing him. This can be seen as when he discarded a cosmic cube before claiming it's power, which was then used by Marvel to depower him of what power he had just gained (I think I got that right). He also showed his moronic side in the Infinity Gauntlet by depowering HIMSELF to battle the heroes of the earth. That nearly cost him dearly. I'm thinking he did something else stupid in that series in regards to the dead chick that got the gauntlet from him, but I don’t' remember what it was. Anyhow, Thanos isn't as perfect as people think, he has his flaws and he's had his moments of stupidity.

I think I’ve defended Hyperion enough, so the question comes, how can he actually BEAT Thanos? There are actually quite a few things he can do. Now, I’m going to have to leave some of this to your imagination as I don’t know Thanos that well and haven’t read anything with him in it, save the Infinity Gauntlet, which isn’t this version of Thanos. But Hyperion would prepare against Thanos by studying him and seeing how he’s fallen in the past. If there has ever been an item that took him out, he can travel to that world, claim that item, and bring it back. Then he’d take it into battle against Thanos to add to his already enormous power. Another thought is that he can study Thanos’ powers and calculate in the computers how he would be best to defend himself against them, and then do so. He can study Thanos’ control over his molecular structure and find something on some elseworld that can attack that and bring it into battle. Maybe he can bring things that have nothing to do with Thanos that are just powerful, things like the gun that Forge made that can kill the Hulk, etc. (man, this place is the best resource ever!).

Something that I’m thinking is that Hyperion absorbs such things as solar energy, and I wonder if that could extend to cosmic energy in general? I can’t say for certain, but it’s possible that Thanos’ cosmic rays could actually help Hyperion. If not, then he can at least put up with them for a while.

Some simple ideas is simply that Hyperion studies Thanos and goes toe to toe with him in a fit of strength to see who would win, maybe frying his head off before the match can even get too far in.

But for those of you who think that NONE of these other possibilities would work, or they’re too vague, here’s a last possible route that is full proof (if not a bit cheap). He can give himself a talus (the thing that Blink wears that connects her to the base). From this talus he’ll be able to access the things of the base, as well as the teleporting feature and such. He will possibly know that Thanos is too much for him, but he doesn’t want to lose, and he doesn’t’ want too cheap of a victory, so he’d study and research, trying to find the absolute worse place in the base’s maps. Then when he ports to the location, he and Thanos will encounter one another. Now Thanos likes to talk, and so does Hyperion, so they’ll meat and begin to discuss evil things as evil people do, trying to learn from one another. Hyperion will then simply use the talus to have the crystal base teleport Thanos to whatever planet/dimension that he deemed most worthy of torturing him. Thanos is removed from the battle with little effort, much to Hyperion’s dislike.

I know, I’m all over the place with this post, but I hope you can get what I’m trying to say… basically, Hyperion has enough resources to be a match for Thanos, and several ways where he can pull it off. If you want Thanos gone from this tournament, this is the round to make your voice heard! (And with that, it’s nearly 3 in the morning; I’m off to bed).

Winner – Hyperion (Exiles)
 
JewishHobbit said:
Thanos Vs Hyperion (Exiles)

Man, this is a tough match, but I'll admit that Thanos has the overall advantage, but I firmly believe that Hyperion has a chance here. Please read through this NOVEL and get all that I say. See through the 3am tired rambling and find the truth, that Hyperion CAN beat the Titan.

The first mistake that I think anyone will make when thinking of Hyperion, is that they simply think of him as a "dumb brute" but he isn't just that. He's REALLY tough. I decided to list some feats that he's been shown doing during his time in the Exiles comic. Now note, any deaths were other worlds versions of the people, but nonetheless, they are them:

-Hyperion personally killed: Vision, an army of Sentinels, Colossus, Kitty Pryde, Wolverine, Mystique, Magneto, Forge Quicksilver, Reed Richards, Thor, Magik, Hulk, Holocaust, and Namora. Not to mention countless other heroes of worlds that he tried to take over, and these people listed aren't even the people he had help with.

Impressive, but nothing Thanos' couldn't do if he truly wished to kill them. He's killed/beat the ever-lovin' crap out of his share of characters such as Adam Warlock, Thor, Thing, Silver Surfer, etc.

- He's quick enough to catch a fully running Quicksilver by the throat and snap it.

Yep, which is why I said Hyperion's speed is his advantage. Just like Thanos' superior intellect and variety of cosmic manipulation is his.

- He withstood the heat of a point blank meteor (while trying to stop it), the same heat that burnt Rogue to a crisp.

Nothing Thanos could not do. Hell, he's survived an entire planet exploding without any injury. Was just kind of relaxing in the aftermath while floating in space.

- His heat vision was enough to kill the Hulk with one blast, as well as disintegrate Wolverine, adamantium and all.

Again, nothing Thanos could not do. Especially considering that Hulk was weaker than the 616 one. :o

- He can survive just fine in space, just as Thanos can

- He snorted Holocaust through his nose!!!
Nothing Thanos could not do; Holocaust is really overrated.

- He absorbs solar and other types of energy of that nature, and it makes him stronger

Yep, and he can also be drained of said energy. And has a clearly defined weakness in Argonite. Both things the Titan would use against him. But, I'll touch more on that later.

- Namora turned his head completely around, breaking his neck. He laughed, turned it back around, and fried her.

Yeah, it was a cool scene, and showed how tough Hyperion is. But, Thanos has survived attacks just as bad if not worse.

- Each of his body's cells are like little batteries and they can rebuild themselves when damaged (though it can take time). He rebuilt himself from being evaporated to nothing but a head and shoulders.

As you said, if it's a major attack it would take time. The battle would be over and Thanos would be victorious before Hyperion could reform.

- He caught Mimic's hand while in Colossus form, and crushed it with ease.

Nothing Thanos couldn't do.

- As powerful as he is, he held his own against two alternate versions of himself just fine.

Nothing Thanos couldn't do. He's survived and held his own against beings much more powerful than Hyperion (Odin for example).

So all that is to show that he's one tough cookie that can take the beatings Thanos can dish out. He was able to fight two of himself just fine. He killed he Hulk with a single blast of his eyes. He snapped Thor's neck. He's tough.

And so is Thanos. At the very least, he's just as tough as Hyperion is.

However, I am not dense enough to believe that all his strength and heat vision to be enough to win this match. Fortunately he has killer resources, and he's not as dumb as you'd think. If this match just suddenly started and Thanos was before him, he'd just attack and mock and get killed. But he has a forced 24 hours to prepare, and I think that would help.

No, I know he's not dumb, such as Drax. But, he's nowhere even near Thanos' league as far as planning and strategies go. Thanos would run circles around him in that department. It'd be like comparing a forest fire to a match. Just can't hold up.

His main resource is 'home base.' He was the first person to discover the secret behind the Exiles and Weapon X, and he took control of the Timebreaker's layer long before the Exiles showed up to take it over. For those of you who aren't familiar with this, this is a place between dimensions packed with bugs. It's all crystal-like and it watches and records everything that happens in every dimension. Hyperion won't know who Thanos is, but he can go to these computers and search through the worlds and not only learn who Thanos is, but also all his strengths and weaknesses, not to mention any reality version of him. He can study all the ways his powers have been used and he can watch all the ways that he has died or fallen in battle. Needless to say, Hyperion will go into this match with 100% knowledge on Thanos.

Actually, there are no other reality versions of Thanos. He's a unique being in the entire multiverse. And, yes, this has been stated in one of his appearances. One of the Infinity mini's IIRC. Might have been the IW series though. Can't remember off hand.
And Thanos' only real weakness is his feeling that he is unworthy of ultimate power. Thus, every time he gains godlike power, he set's himself up for his own fall. That would have no part in this match whatsoever. So, as far as finding an exploitable weakness goes, Hyperion would be out of luck.


Thanos however, shouldn't know Hyperion from a hole in the wall. Yes, Thanos watches all that happens on earth, but no Hyperion has ever originated on Earth and has only visited rarely. It could be possible that Thanos somehow watched during one of these minuet times, but with no proof of it in the comics, and no mention of him ever witnessing or encountering Hyperion, I think it's best to assume he has no knowledge of him. Anything else would simply be making up stories and occurrences for the benefit of the match.

The Squadron Sinister and Supreme have been to 616 Earth before. And it is known that Thanos has explored and mapped countless other dimensions. Considering how much of a knowledge ****e he is (probably the biggest one in all of comics), it's not far-fetched at all to think that he'd have something on the entire Squadron, let alone Hyperion. Especially considering that Hyperion is not a unique being like Thanos in that there's different versions of him in a lot of different dimensions/realities.

So advantage #1 is that Hyperion knows everything about Thanos, and Thanos knows nothing about Hyperion. This may be enough, maybe not, but wait, there's more.

Again, that's a very far out assumption you make, Hobbit. Honestly, I'm kinda surprised by it.

The second part of this is that many think Hyperion to be a DUMB brute who isn't very calculated, or intelligent, but this isn't true. We learned that while he was in control of the Exile's current timebroker base, he watched the Exiles and made it difficult for them. He began to plan and think his way through this and showed that he can actually be calculating and intelligent. One thing that he did was place Holocaust on the team to make it difficult for them. Another is that he placed the Age of Apocalypse Sabretooth on the team so that he'd distract Blink and make her a less effective leader, which worked. He also analyzed Blink's powers and learned a way to keep her from hurting him, but vibrating and offsetting her shards. He can think, and he can plan if given time, which he has.

Yes, he's not a dumb brute, ala the Hulk or Drax. He is intelligent and will use sound tactics in a fight. But, as said above, he's not even close to being in Thanos' league when it comes to preparing for a match. Thanos has masterminded schemes that would make Doom jealous. With his resourses and genius he'd definitely be able to come up with a way to take him down, whether he knew his weaknesses or not. An example that I used earlier was his stasis gun. A gun that would hold Hyperion in a stasis cube for hours.

So now I think all this really helps Hyperion out. He can study Thanos, his history, his methods, his strengths, his defeats, his powers, etc, and he can prepare for them. Thanos is a master planner and intelligent, but he doesn't know what he's planning for. Also note, for the heck of it, that Thanos has been shown using a lack of common sense, nearly costing him. This can be seen as when he discarded a cosmic cube before claiming it's power, which was then used by Marvel to depower him of what power he had just gained (I think I got that right). He also showed his moronic side in the Infinity Gauntlet by depowering HIMSELF to battle the heroes of the earth. That nearly cost him dearly. I'm thinking he did something else stupid in that series in regards to the dead chick that got the gauntlet from him, but I don’t' remember what it was. Anyhow, Thanos isn't as perfect as people think, he has his flaws and he's had his moments of stupidity.

As mentioned above, the only time he's used a lack of common sense or shown stupidity like you bring up was when he possessed ultimate power. Deep down, he feels unworthy of having that kind of god-like power and sets himself up to lose it. If he felt himself worthy of that power, there'd be nothing anyone could do to stop him.
Other than those instances, and the joke comics like the Super Stories, he's used perfect common sense.

And the undead chick was Nebula, who claimed to be his granddaughter.


I think I’ve defended Hyperion enough, so the question comes, how can he actually BEAT Thanos? There are actually quite a few things he can do. Now, I’m going to have to leave some of this to your imagination as I don’t know Thanos that well and haven’t read anything with him in it, save the Infinity Gauntlet, which isn’t this version of Thanos.

So you make all these assumptions on the Titan when you pretty much have zero experience with him? Please don't take offense to this Hobbit as I do respect you, but I'm kind of disappointed. :o :(

But Hyperion would prepare against Thanos by studying him and seeing how he’s fallen in the past. If there has ever been an item that took him out, he can travel to that world, claim that item, and bring it back. Then he’d take it into battle against Thanos to add to his already enormous power. Another thought is that he can study Thanos’ powers and calculate in the computers how he would be best to defend himself against them, and then do so. He can study Thanos’ control over his molecular structure and find something on some elseworld that can attack that and bring it into battle. Maybe he can bring things that have nothing to do with Thanos that are just powerful, things like the gun that Forge made that can kill the Hulk, etc. (man, this place is the best resource ever!).

It really is a good resource. One of the reasons I got Blink for my DTL team. :up:
Still, wouldn't an item from another world not be part of his resourses? If that's not the case, what's to stop Thanos from doing the same thing?


Something that I’m thinking is that Hyperion absorbs such things as solar energy, and I wonder if that could extend to cosmic energy in general? I can’t say for certain, but it’s possible that Thanos’ cosmic rays could actually help Hyperion. If not, then he can at least put up with them for a while.

No, they would not help him. He's not the Silver Surfer, able to manipulate all forms of energy. He's pretty much Marvel's Superman, though a bit more powerful (at least the evil Exiles version is). He's strictly limited to solar energy. And his toughness should allow him to take a beating from Thanos' cosmic blasts anyway.

Some simple ideas is simply that Hyperion studies Thanos and goes toe to toe with him in a fit of strength to see who would win, maybe frying his head off before the match can even get too far in.

Thanos has survived much, much worse. I'd doubt his heat vision would "fry his head off". It would hurt and probably fry off his armor, but that's about it. And that's going under the assumption that Thanos is going into a fight without any shields, which he pretty much always has at his disposal.

But for those of you who think that NONE of these other possibilities would work, or they’re too vague, here’s a last possible route that is full proof (if not a bit cheap). He can give himself a talus (the thing that Blink wears that connects her to the base). From this talus he’ll be able to access the things of the base, as well as the teleporting feature and such. He will possibly know that Thanos is too much for him, but he doesn’t want to lose, and he doesn’t’ want too cheap of a victory, so he’d study and research, trying to find the absolute worse place in the base’s maps. Then when he ports to the location, he and Thanos will encounter one another. Now Thanos likes to talk, and so does Hyperion, so they’ll meat and begin to discuss evil things as evil people do, trying to learn from one another. Hyperion will then simply use the talus to have the crystal base teleport Thanos to whatever planet/dimension that he deemed most worthy of torturing him. Thanos is removed from the battle with little effort, much to Hyperion’s dislike.

Why do people always assume Thanos will just stand around in a fight and talk away? That's the biggest BS I've heard.
He would not exchange any kind of pleasantries with Hyperion pre-fight. Now, he would definitely talk while fighting, but he wouldn't just have a little talk with Hyperion before throwing down.
Thanos knows this is a battle. And, remembering his first fight against Xavier, he would take this fight with the upmost seriousness.
And what's to stop Thanos from simply teleporting Hyperion into a black hole for instance? It goes both ways.


I know, I’m all over the place with this post, but I hope you can get what I’m trying to say… basically, Hyperion has enough resources to be a match for Thanos, and several ways where he can pull it off. If you want Thanos gone from this tournament, this is the round to make your voice heard! (And with that, it’s nearly 3 in the morning; I’m off to bed).

Winner – Hyperion (Exiles)

Yes, Hyperion has an excellent resourse with the Crystal Palace. But Thanos has excellent resourses as well. From info (even stuff as obscure as the vital statistics of the common Asgardian), to weapons (his stasis gun that held in check a mad Thor who possess the Power Gem, and the gun was just a prototype at the time), to tech (his "Mobius Chair", if you will, that allows him to teleport across vast distances of space and through dimensions)...Thanos is one of the most resourse full (heh) characters in this thing.
And, like I said above, Thanos has no real weakness that Hyperion could exploit. However, Hyperion is suseptable to being drained of his solar energy and, the big one, Argonite (his kryptonite).
With his superior mind, being just as tough as Hyperion, having a more versatile power set, and twenty four hours to prepare for this fight with all of his technological resourses at his disposal, Thanos should definitely take this.
 

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