Contest Of Marvels (Thread 1)

[wiegeabo]

Proctor vs High Evolutionary

What a tought battle. Both have a range of powers, with Evolutionary arguably having a nice edge. Proctor should be able to protect his own mind from telepathic intrusion, and counter Evolutionary's telekinesis with his own. And they've both got energy blasts and healing power (Evolutionary's healing is better though).

Proctor's problem is going to be countering High Evolutionary's suit, his ESP, and incredible intellect. So one strategy is for Proctor to keep quickly teleporting, preventing HE from getting a lock on him, and giving Proctor time to locate his adversary. At that point Proctor trigger HE's awareness, drawing fire onto himself, all for the purpose of teleporting the Ebony Blade into (or next to) the Evolutionary. HE's suit may protect him at all costs, but the Blade can cut through anything, and if Proctor attacks with it fast enough, he can shred HE's body. Now the suit will keep trying to heal, or replace, the damaged body, but Proctor will have the advantage.

The problem with this method is at best it could result in a long, drawn out battle. And the longer the battle goes on, the less chance Proctor has at victory. This means, while the teleportation may protect Proctor until he can mount an attack, his first attack is going to have to somehow disable the Evolutionary.

He can do that by attacking the chemical's in the High Evolutionary's brain. No matter how smart he may be, once Proctor attacks the brain, HE can be incapacitated. And there would not be any physical damage to heal from. Proctor can create the secretion of chemicals and neurotransmitters that bathes HE in sheer agony, preventing him from any coherent thoughts. Or Proctor could induce an almost narcartic euphorea in HE that makes him unwilling to, or uninterested in a, fight. Or maybe create such an intense depression the HE takes his own life. Or Proctor could just seize up HE's brain, making him unable to think or move, leaving him completely vulnerable to attack.

Once the brain is vulnerable, HE will fall.

Proctor wins

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

E vs. SPIDER-GIRL

But, again, while E may know th' powers, he doesn't know MAY'S powers. Or May. An advantage there fer her, an' one she can take advantage of.

And, on another note; we all wanna forget about Totem and the Other, but we all love Spider-Girl. Vote with your conscience.

WINNER: SPIDER-GIRL (by crappy editorial)

 

[JewishHobbit]

Hyperion Vs Thanos

Well, you've pointed out that all the things I brought up regarding Hyperion can be done by Thanos, but it was never my point to show he's better than Thanos, but rather that he's not just some brute. It was just to show some clarification.

I wasn't aware that there's no other reality versions of Thanos, but Hyperion can still study Thanos himself. And you claim that it'd be very believable for Thanos to have studied Hyperion and such because his Squadran Supreme version has been to earth before, and that Thanos has studied other demensions... however,.... Thanos isn't ALWAYS watching, and there's no proof that he ever saw them on earth (being that it hasn't even been that many times). No hint, no mention, no clue,.. nothing. He watches the world, but he hasn't watched it every second of its history. And though he has studied other dimensions, it is obvious that Hyperion isn't in all of them (as he isn't in 616) and with the vast amount of worlds there are out there, I think without proof that Thanos has infact seen or studied Hyperion (one person chosen out of the billions per world, or however many they have),... it's a safer bet to assume he hasn't studied him than he has. I think that's a bigger assumption on your part than mine. That stated, I'm still standing by my decision that Thanos would not know Hyperion (not an official CoM rule or anything, just my opinion as a debater, for clarification).

And that still gives Hyperion the chance of winning. Thanos is a master planner and all that, but if he doesn't know what he's planning against, he loses most of that extra edge. I'm sure he'll still come into battle prepared, but he wont' know exactly how to be prepared and he may bring some good, and some bad things to help him. Meanwhile, Hyperion will be able to know EXACTLY how to prepare. However, I will not go further into that, as I already have and I don't want to just quote myself.

It really is a good resource. One of the reasons I got Blink for my DTL team.
Still, wouldn't an item from another world not be part of his resourses? If that's not the case, what's to stop Thanos from doing the same thing?

Keep in mind that it was 3am when I wrote that, and I was thinking of the item taken still as a resource of the crystal palace, as he used it to find the weakness, and to locate the item of weakness. However, now that I'm more awake, I can see how that could be seen as wrong, and if it wasn't my character I'd probably argue against it myself, so I'm omiting that idea. Though he can still look for such items (of coarse, not having read the comics with him in them, I don't know if there ever was something that could stop Thanos in the past, but oh well, it's pointless now).

Your argument about Arganite is pointless as well, I will state, because (at least in my opinion, and it's up to the voters) I feel that Thanos wouldn't know anything about Hyperion, and thus, wouldn't know to use Arganite. So that weakness, (in my opinion) isn't exploitable in this match. The same goes for his solar power being drainable. Thanos wouldn't know that, thus, he wouldn't know to do it.

Also, in THIS link to the normal Hyperion (whose powers still aply), it mentions cosmic energy a few times. Aparently he uses it to maintain his youth, as well as rechannel it into his eye blasts. It states that his body has the innate ability to metabolize cosmic energy. I only mention this so that any out there who may be thinking that "though he's tough, he can't hold up to cosmic blasts" I think this shows he can. I'm sure it'd still hurt him, but he deals with cosmic energy constantly. His body's use to it.

Why do people always assume Thanos will just stand around in a fight and talk away? That's the biggest BS I've heard.

I mentioned it because in the Silver Surfer issue I read (50 I think, right before the Infinity Gauntlet), he shows up before the Surfer, just talking, and the Surfer attacks him. He then goes on to talk for the remainder of the issue. And though I no longer have the infinity gauntlet comics to check, I remember him showing up on that little space island and just talking up a storm. So I thought it'd be safe to assume. But either way, if he doesn't do that normally, then he and Hyperion would fight, and at any time during this fued Hyperion could use the talis to send him to another dimension, or into the crystal wall where dead exiles go. I assume you're right in that Thanos could do this as well, but why would he? In fighting Hyperion he will find him tough, but I think he will feel able to take him. I picture him more liable to try to figure out Hyperion before just ending it. He does like to study people after all

And the last thing I'm going to mention before hitting the hey,... Hyperion would know that Thanos has a lot of technological resources. The Crystal Palace is a technological heaven. If he was able to use the palace to teach him how to be immune to Blink's power, I'm sure he can use the palace's technology to come up with something to take the power from other technological resources. He could probably do it straight from the main computer of the palace, and then during battle just access it through his talis. This is some assumption on my part, but with the quality and amount of tech in the crystal palace, something as small as an emp wave shouldn't be hard to figure out. This would be a big aid as I'd imagine it taking out some of Thanos' weapons, as well as his shields, and maybe even that little stasis gun you kept mentioning. Knocks that thing right out!

So yeah,.. Hyperion still stands his ground.

Winner - Hyperion

 

[TheWaterologist]

When do we get to the votes, consarnit?

 

[Phaedrus45]

Voting May Begin!

 

[Phaedrus45]

Proctor vs High Evolutionary

Proctor's problem is going to be countering High Evolutionary's suit, his ESP, and incredible intellect. So one strategy is for Proctor to keep quickly teleporting, preventing HE from getting a lock on him, and giving Proctor time to locate his adversary.

This is the main problem with the strategy. Proctor wouldn't be able to get a lock on him. For, as it states in HE's bio, "Mental Invisibility; the High Evolutionary is normally undectable even by other powerful telepaths." One thing Proctor isn't is a powerful telepath. As Proctor's bio states, he has "limited mental powers." Proctor wouldn't be able to get a lock on HE...although, with HE's vast knowledge of both Proctor AND Duck World, HE would be able to find AND defeat Proctor.

Winner - High Evolutionary

 

[wiegeabo]

This is the main problem with the strategy. Proctor wouldn't be able to get a lock on him. For, as it states in HE's bio, "Mental Invisibility; the High Evolutionary is normally undectable even by other powerful telepaths." One thing Proctor isn't is a powerful telepath. As Proctor's bio states, he has "limited mental powers." Proctor wouldn't be able to get a lock on HE...although, with HE's vast knowledge of both Proctor AND Duck World, HE would be able to find AND defeat Proctor.

Winner - High Evolutionary

It says Proctor would avoid HE getting a lock on him, not Proctor getting a lock on HE. Proctor would turn all his mental abilities into a protective shield. Combined with quick teleportation, HE wouldn't have the time to lock onto Proctor and attack mentally. And by using the teleportation, Proctor can scour the city for his opponenet, attacking when he finds HE.

Proctor wins

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Thanos
Spider-Girl
High Evolutionary
Frankie

 

[TheWaterologist]

Thanos
Apparantly I meant Spider-Girl
High Evolutionary
Bolt

 

[wiegeabo]

Thanos
Spider-Girl
Proctor
Frankie Raye

 

[Phaedrus45]

*Thanos
*Ezekial
*High Evolutionary
*Black Bolt

 

[JewishHobbit]

Hyperion (Agree with me, you know you want to!!!)
Spider-Girl
High Evolutionary
Blackbolt

 

[TheWaterologist]

Jew, you're mean, I'm tempted to vote against you on every one of your matches based on pure spite

 

[JewishHobbit]

You already have

 

[TheWaterologist]

Well, Damnit, It's Thanos

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Water, you can't change yer vote once ya cast it.

 

[TheWaterologist]

It was a mistype, I meant Ezekial the whole time

Oh, you mean the jewthing? No, that's jsut playful banter.

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Can we get a rulin' on this from one of th' muckity-mucks? Pretty sure unless ya pull a Phaed an' vote fer two people in one fight can't change yer vote once ya post it.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

I would like to say Hyperion but I have to go with Thanos
Ezekial
High Evolutionary
Blackbolt

 

[TheWaterologist]

Can we get a rulin' on this from one of th' muckity-mucks? Pretty sure unless ya pull a Phaed an' vote fer two people in one fight can't change yer vote once ya post it.

I changed it when there were only three votes, it's not like I thought E was going to be voted off and I panicked, simple mistake

 

[Phaedrus45]

Hmmm....

I'll let JH decide since it involves our characters. The ruling does state that you can't change a vote once it's been cast...but, that's suppose to be if someone keeps debating and you change your vote. Now, if you messed up what you type, you should be able to edit quickly after it. (I've done this before, as we just saw, and I've done it when debating and stating the winner.) Either way, it doesn't bother me. Whoever wins is going to be cremated next round, anyway.

 

[TheWaterologist]

I changed the Spider-Girl/Ezekial matchup, not the Thanos one.

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Yeah, but if I'm gonna get bashed by rules that others got away with, I'm gonna do some rule bashin' in return.

An' remember; th' last time had votin' discrepencies we got Bush. Twice.

 

[Trigger]

Hyperion
Spider-Girl
High Evolutionary
Frankie Raye

 

[JewishHobbit]

Sorry Brodie, but once a vote is cast, it stays. Even if it was a mistake. I'm alright with a change if you do what Phaed did and accidently miss a match and vote for two people who are actually facing one another,... but since you voted one person per match, it stays.