Cops kill Groom.

[Master Chief]

Fixed.

Don't adjust my fantastical mathematical skllz homie

 

[jks]

You weren't telling me how wrong I was. Your earlier post (which you quoted) wasn't even directed at me. My post came after reading your's and I still don't see how I'm wrong. Move on...Are you trying to start a catch phrase?

You stated:

"The men were in a car. The cops couldn't have asked them to get out of the car or something? They had to execute them (and that's what it was. When you pull out your gun and empty two clips into a car, no warning shot or anything, you know that you are killing these people)? There is no justifying this. Period."

My post justified it before you even posted "There is no justifying this. Period" thus proving what you said wrong.

If you don't see how what I posted justifies it, that speaks very little for you. Move on.

 

[Savage]

You stated:

"The men were in a car. The cops couldn't have asked them to get out of the car or something? They had to execute them (and that's what it was. When you pull out your gun and empty two clips into a car, no warning shot or anything, you know that you are killing these people)? There is no justifying this. Period."

My post justified it before you even posted "There is no justifying this. Period" thus proving what you said wrong.

If you don't see how what I posted justifies it, that speaks very little for you. Move on.

No. It really didn't. It really did not justify it at all. A fewquestions. Do you think the cops knew they would kill anyone when they fired 50 rounds into their van? Could the situation have been avoided by the police officers? Could the situation have ended with 0 casualties?

 

[Savage]

Damn it. How could I forget?! Move on.

 

[jks]

No. It really didn't. It really did not justify it at all.

Oh, but it did...

A fewquestions. Do you think the cops knew they would kill anyone when they fired 50 rounds into their van?

I think they saw someone using an automobile as a weapon and responded appropriately to defend themselves.

Could the situation have been avoided by the police officers?

Did the officers make this guy attack them?

Could the situation have ended with 0 casualties?

Yes, they guy driving the car could have not repeatedly try to ram the officers.

 

[Master Chief]

15 shots.
Reload.
15 shots.

No gunfire returned.

Right.

 

[Savage]

Master Chief pretty much said it. Look up overkill. Fire a warning shot. Shoot the hood. Shoot the tire. Show them that you're armed and very willing to use said weapon. Don't kill them two times over. I'm suprised there was only one death actually. I hope they're the most hated guys at their precinct.

...I actually can't wait to hear what my police in the community teacher says about this tomorrow.

 

[jks]

15 shots.
Reload.
15 shots.

No gunfire returned.

Right.

If that was what was needed to stop the guy from attacking the officers with an automobile, so be it. No one here was there and doesn't know. The only problem I have is that with 50+ shots fired, only around half hit the automobile. These officers need to qualify way more often than they do currently.

 

[jks]

Master Chief pretty much said it. Look up overkill. Fire a warning shot. Shoot the hood. Shoot the tire. Show them that you're armed. Don't kill them two times over. I'm suprised there was only one death actually. I hope they're the most hated guys at their precinct.

Why would they be hated? They did what they had to do. 1. Firing warning shots is strictly prohibited. 2. Shooting the hood or tires wouldn't stop the car.

Obviously this guy wasn't thinking twice about trying to injure or even kill the officers and they retaliated appropriately.

 

[Savage]

If that was what was needed to stop the guy from attacking the officers with an automobile, so be it. No one here was there and doesn't know. The only problem I have is that with 50+ shots fired, only around half hit the automobile. These officers need to qualify way more often than they do currently.

Ah, jeez. They did not attack the officers but even if it was intentional then it is still overkill. It's a van for christ's sake. I just don't see how firing 50 rounds is okay. I don't even see how half a clip is okay.

 

[Deep Thinkin'!]

As convincing as your quote is jks
15 shots is well... eh... bad
30 shots is twice as bad which means it's basically evil

has this case been completely cleared and has the verdict been reached yet? I feel that this won't end.

And can you guys seriously MOVE ON from saying MOVE ON
it's starting to bug me

 

[Savage]

Why would they be hated? They did what they had to do. 1. Firing warning shots is strictly prohibited. 2. Shooting the hood or tires wouldn't stop the car.

Obviously this guy wasn't thinking twice about trying to injure or even kill the officers and they retaliated appropriately.

The car stopped. You say it like it was coming at them. It hit the car, drove back, rammed into it again. There obviously was not room to escape. Pull out your gun, "come out with your hands up!", on the ground, handcuffs, rights are read, the end.

 

[jks]

Ah, jeez. They did not attack the officers

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10638653&postcount=53

but even if it was intentional then it is still overkill.

Ok then, please tell us what you saw.

It's a van for christ's sake.

And? No one has ever been hurt or killed from a collision in a van? Lets not forget the officer that was struck by the car or almost struck [I've read conflicting accounts]

I just don't see how firing 50 rounds is okay. I don't even see how half a clip is okay.

Well that's because you're completely uneducated on this field and have no experience and are basing what you are saying solely on a fit of rage.

 

[Master Chief]

Why would they be hated? They did what they had to do. 1. Firing warning shots is strictly prohibited. 2. Shooting the hood or tires wouldn't stop the car.

Obviously this guy wasn't thinking twice about trying to injure or even kill the officers and they retaliated appropriately.

Maybe a few shots fired at the windshield around the driver's area I could see, the tires taken out too. But riddling the van with lead is just crazy. I wonder if they showed badges or anything, lol. Their paranoia got the better of them. Oh well. Crazy s**t happens all the time, it's depressing but it's the world, I wonder when the next f**ked up thing is going to happen.

 

[jks]

The car stopped. You say it like it was coming at them. It hit the car, drove back, rammed into it again. There obviously was not room to escape. Pull out your gun, "come out with your hands up!", on the ground, handcuffs, rights are read, the end.

The car stopped because the officers acted on the driver who had repeatedly attacked them.

 

[KingOfDreams]

Yeah. I read about this earlier today. Bad situation.

 

[Savage]

The car stopped because it crashed.

...And nevermind that even. How the hell do you justify "Whup. I'm out. Think he's dead yet?" "I dunno...Give him another 15 for good measure."

 

[Deep Thinkin'!]

The car stopped because the officers acted on the driver who had repeatedly attacked them.

I'm guessing the guys would be pretty scared if they got shot once. They may have hit the police car on accident, and once the first shot was fired, the driver may have gone into panic. I know several people would do the same. I don't know many people that AREN'T scared of a being shot at. You said they weren't in uniform, so the driver may not have known that these guys were cops and that they were trying to rob them etc. Their van may have had complications when the first gun shot, and on accident it rammed into the other cars.

There are a million possiblities. Must we have a court session?

 

[jks]

Maybe a few shots fired at the windshield around the driver's area I could see, the tires taken out too.

Remember, there were around 5 officers there who fired. Each one looking out for the safety of the others. You honestly expect them to plan before hand for one to shoot if necessary while the rest don't? 50 shots among 5 or so officers isn't that many, especially if one fired 30. [which is my only problem with this unless it happens to turn out those 30 were needed]

But riddling the van with lead is just crazy.

The officers were in the van.

I wonder if they showed badges or anything, lol. Their paranoia got the better of them.

When under attack, you don't have time to show badges.

Oh well. Crazy s**t happens all the time, it's depressing but it's the world, I wonder when the next f**ked up thing is going to happen.

Yeah, it's ****ed up that this guy wanted to attack the officers.

 

[Savage]

I'm guessing the guys would be pretty scared if they got shot once. They may have hit the police car on accident, and once the first shot was fired, the driver may have gone into panic. I know several people would do the same. I don't know many people that AREN'T scared of a being shot at. You said they weren't in uniform, so the driver may not have known that these guys were cops and that they were trying to rob them etc. Their van may have had complications when the first gun shot, and on accident it rammed into the other cars.

There are a million possiblities. Must we have a court session?

Another good possibility. When guys in civillian gear start firing at me, I don't know about you, but I get pretty scared. Hell, I'd be scared if anybody started firing at me.

 

[jks]

The car stopped because it crashed.

The car stopped because the officers stopped it. Did you not read where the car RAMMED the van more than once?

...And nevermind that even. How the hell do you justify "Whup. I'm out. Think he's dead yet?" "I dunno...Give him another 15 for good measure."

Because maybe he was still a threat? It's been established that way too many shots missed and perhaps this guy had to shoot that many times to hit the driver. [which is really pathetic on the officers part]

 

[jks]

Another good possibility. When guys in civillian gear start firing at me, I don't know about you, but I get pretty scared. Hell, I'd be scared if anybody started firing at me.

Then common sense would be to drive away, not continue ramming them.

 

[Deep Thinkin'!]

The car stopped because the officers stopped it. Did you not read where the car RAMMED the van more than once?

I doubt they would do that on purpose. Read my post. If a first shot was fired and several followed after the first ram, the driver would be *****ting his pants and freaking out. It's kind of hard to think when in a panic. He may have rammed the gas and not have been aware of his actions.

 

[enterthemadness]

The driver was drunk, no?

 

[Master Chief]

Oh, so they were in a car ramming a van? I thought they were in a van ramming... a van. Regardless, it was still sloppily handled no matter how much you try to justify it being defense. The officers weren't even in uniform and most likely didn't identify themselves as police officers.