Could Marvel Studios do a film like Joker/Logan?

[Yowza]

Marvel Studio's films being connected really makes it hard to integrate films that are R-Rated

For different styled PG-13, a gritty movie following real world story logic would still be hard to do since this isn't the basis past films really go towards (Endgame I think is an example of how all things tie together story logic/realism wise). A more niche styled film could be made but Marvel Studio's I don't think will go that route unless representing in some way. Even then, the film will still be 4 Quadrant style.

It is not in Kevin Feigi's professional/personal image to be producing films that go outside of the range of movies that have been made so far. He is a risk taker but is also very proper. He doesn't like to be caught on camera as a different character other than himself. He's also very specific how he says things and is a master PR man and strategizer employing a team based philosophy that goes under the creative umbrella that is Marvel Studio's guidelines.

I want to add I remember when the announcement of Disney purchasing Fox went viral. There was a Max thread on these boards I suggested perhaps having a different department handle this and wasn't the time as everyone totally wanted to shut Fox out on these boards and got a reply saying something like "um..I'm pretty sure it's Marvel Studios" when suggested that extra personnel may be utilized to head a different department under Marvel Studios for R-Rated content.

I saw it was to no avail to suggest perhaps Marvel Studio's could be more than just hands-on productorial output produced by Kevin Feige if an R-Rating. A separate department could still exist under Disney for this that could be under Marvel Studio's but we've all seen how Marvel TV and Marvel Studio's play ball so would it turn out better if it's Marvel Studio's own 2 internal departments? This type of risk would avoid putting Kevin Feige on the hot seat doing R-Rated button pushing content but not Disney... Therefore, yeah I think this whole concept is DOA at least theatrical release wise.

 

[MarvelFan]

It is unlikely, unfortunately..

Since Marvel Studios under Disney (especially now Feige answers to Alan Horn), they (MS) not only have to manage and maintain their own brand, but also their parent company as well.

So, it is hard for me to imagine MS will make movies like Joker or Logan..
which is why I am really grateful that those two are being made (as much as I love MCU, I will admit that I slowly tired of their formula) because movies like Joker and Logan bring a fresh air to the genre as a whole.

 

[-JKR-]

They can do everything... if they WANT to.
Doesn't look like it so far. Alan Horn and Kevin Feige seem content on making four-quadrant tentpoles with their Marvel movies and stay true to their established formula.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

I feel The Punisher is the perfect character for this. His origin story done as a slow burn a la Taxi Driver would make sense.

The Netflix series did a good job of his turmoil but with the right script and team could be Marvels answer to Joker.

 

[Rita Steele]

Nobody's asking for future movies to all be exactly like Joker. It's a broader need of more introspective, character focused movies.

If it is like logan, thats ok. The less Jokers out there the better.

But i wouldn't want it to become a trend. Movies like shazam, iw, eg, Ragnarok, avengers, iron man,deadpool, wonder woman represent the comics i irew up pretty well without having to put up a snobbish and "grown up" facade. Comics are colourful, wondrous, outlandish and vibrant. Most of them anyway.

 

[Yowza]

I think maybe there's a ceiling (or dome) that Marvel films are contained within to be for all ages.

However, I personally like seeing deconstructed critical takes on certain characters from time to time though as I find it entertaining and like darker movies and don't feel that this necessitates it as being pretentious.

I will admit the kids come first though and maybe movies in general should be within the dome of Disney's guidelines. I don't really care anymore.

 

[spider-neil]

If it is like logan, thats ok. The less Jokers out there the better.

But i wouldn't want it to become a trend. Movies like shazam, iw, eg, Ragnarok, avengers, iron man,deadpool, wonder woman represent the comics i irew up pretty well without having to put up a snobbish and "grown up" facade. Comics are colourful, wondrous, outlandish and vibrant. Most of them anyway.

I grew up a Spider-Man fan but without a doubt my favorite graphic novels of all time are The Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen. Even with Spider-Man, my favorite of all time is Kraven's Last Hunt/

 

[NHawk19]

Honestly it depends on the property. Right now the MCU's thing is that "it's all connected". From what I know of The Joker it's not connected in any way to any DC property, so much so that there was talk of a DC black label to distinguish it from the rest.

Marvel could pick a property and do something like that at some point, but for now I think they're looking for a broader appeal. The biggest reason for that is what comes with it, merchandising, and park visits. As they continue to generate revenue from that you may see smaller more focused pictures but that's a long ways out. Plus I'm not sure who they have that warrants that kind of deep dive.

The real test of whether or not you'll ever see an R-rated movie like Logan though, is probably going to be Deadpool. If Deadpool is connected, and stays R-rated I'd say there's a greater chance of Logan type movies. I still am of the opinion that Once Upon a Deadpool was a litmus test for a PG-13 future though.

 

[InCali]

I think marvel can go in those general directions without the movie actually being rated R. I loved the Netflix stuff they did and that general direction is fine by me. Also it now occurs to me that what happened in Joker was that Joaquin phoenix just blew the doors off the movie. As I look back at the movie itself, it maybe wasn’t that great, but at the time I felt like it was. Hats off to him. I don’t think it was a bad movie by any stretch of the imagination but maybe I had a ranked a little higher than I normally would have

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

If it is like logan, thats ok. The less Jokers out there the better.

But i wouldn't want it to become a trend. Movies like shazam, iw, eg, Ragnarok, avengers, iron man,deadpool, wonder woman represent the comics i irew up pretty well without having to put up a snobbish and "grown up" facade. Comics are colourful, wondrous, outlandish and vibrant. Most of them anyway.

Interesting, yes. Comics are all those things and more. I agree with all your examples. And you didn't even bring up my two favorite examples Dr Strange and Guardians of the Galaxy. Not to mention Spidey.

But there is room for both. A LOT of room it seems (people love these movies) and I dont think dark and gritty has to be reserved for just Batman characters. Nor just DC characters.

Marvel should put some real gravity to characters like Punisher, Blade, and Daredevil (and possibly even others like Doom or Moon Knight). And if they can't reach the fever pitch of cultural resonance that Joker did, they should at least strive to.

 

[metaphysician]

I dont know if you got out of bed from the wrong side this morning but i only asked a vlaid question. I have no idea why you got triggered.

I would love for Marvel to make a movie like Logan. I have no desire to see a movie like Joker with zero originality and absolute shallowness only held together by a great performance. I dont want takes that use the comic connections as a crutch to increase box office and have zero respect for the characters.

The question i asked is pretty simple. Could WB make movies like IW and Endgame?

That's an easy question to answer: no.

 

[Yowza]

Interesting, yes. Comics are all those things and more. I agree with all your examples. And you didn't even bring up my two favorite examples Dr Strange and Guardians of the Galaxy. Not to mention Spidey.

But there is room for both. A LOT of room it seems (people love these movies) and I dont think dark and gritty has to be reserved for just Batman characters. Nor just DC characters.

Marvel should put some real gravity to characters like Punisher, Blade, and Daredevil (and possibly even others like Doom or Moon Knight). And if they can't reach the fever pitch of cultural resonance that Joker did, they should at least strive to.

I've read a lot of people who think the MCU is big enough to include R-Rated films in it. Can it be done? Sure but it's kind of odd to have R-Rated films aimed at mature audiences with direct connection to tentpole films like Endgame. Labelling wise Disney would want to keep things separate they've said IF this is going to happen ever which it probably isn't.

 

[Yowza]

I'm going to go out a bit moreso on a limb now and say this recent news of Deadpool remaining R according to Deadpool's movie writers I'll believe when I see it.

The Marvel Knights thread I posted some articles about the quarterly financials report pertaining to Fox this past June that Bob Iger commented on. The traintracks regarding this conversation pertaining to Deadpool are already laid out as anyone at Disney asked about this by the press authorized to comment on it will just say yeah we're going to make Deadpool knowing all along they can just pull this report up and use that to PR away any notions of ever making it.

 

[Kuwolski]

My bet is Deadpool will likely be rated R. Anything after that is a guess. Now that Feige has more power in shaping creative direction across the board (therefore more influence to Disney's bottom line), if he want's to do it it's much more likely (in or out of MCU continuity). I just don't know if he wants to post DP. Why he wouldn't want to explore the darker corners of the Marvel universe is beyond me, a lot of those films won't cost 300 m or need 750 m to break even.