Sequels Could Spider-Man 4 and 5 Set Up for the Sinister 6???

[HughJackFan420]

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i read this and talks about the possible appearances and ideas for the sequels to come. one thing it mentions is how Raimi would be interested in bringing in the Sinister 6. here's hoping with my fingers crossed. do u guys think they should aim for the Sinister 6 for respectively Spider-Man "6"? what do u guys think?

 

[Toxin72]

I doubt it.

 

[Cagefighterkip]

i could see 4 and 5 having three villans apiece, none die, and set up for sin6 in Spidey6.

makes sense

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

It depends on how well told the story is. As my sig says, I trust in Sam Raimi.

 

[HughJackFan420]

well i for one i would love Doc Ock to return, Electro, Lizard, Vulture, HobGoblin, and of course King Pin (that's if they get the rights to put him in God i hate the Kingpin in Daredevil) but that would be a good team up for the Sinister 6.

let 4 and 5 ride out the symbiote story with Carnage and Venom and bring in Lizard and a cliffhanger somewhere for Doc Ock's return

 

[HughJackFan420]

It depends on how well told the story is. As my sig says, I trust in Sam Raimi.

i trust in Raimi to my friend just disappointed what he did with Venom

 

[pjspider1C]

If 4 and 5 set up the Sinister 6 for part 6 - then 6 better be like a 3 hour+ epic blow-out!

 

[HughJackFan420]

If 4 and 5 set up the Sinister 6 for part 6 - then 6 better be like a 3 hour+ epic blow-out!

it will be they should have a cliffhanger for it like Iron Man did with the Avengers for the 6th one after the credits

 

[Venom'sDad]

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i read this and talks about the possible appearances and ideas for the sequels to come. one thing it mentions is how Raimi would be interested in bringing in the Sinister 6. here's hoping with my fingers crossed. do u guys think they should aim for the Sinister 6 for respectively Spider-Man "6"? what do u guys think?

NO. Just think about the reasoning.

 

[Visionary]

It was already stated that they're using TWO villains, because of the third film being over-crowded. Why the hell would they risk doing SIX villains if they can do THREE right?

 

[chaseter]

i could see 4 and 5 having three villans apiece, none die, and set up for sin6 in Spidey6.

makes sense

Yes lets do 3 more villians again and make a great movie like SM3!!!!!!t: OMG I cannot hold in mah excitement...........................

 

[Sentinel X]

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The amount of villains has nothing to do with quality of a movie. Batman Begins had three villains (Scarecrow, Ra's Al Ghul, Falcone) and that turned out great. Heck, even X-men 1 and 2 were fine and they both had plenty of villains.

I wouldn't mind seeing three villains (as long as the script that Vandebuilt has made...already has them in there. No stupid ass Avi Arad forcing Sam Raimi to put villains in the movie just to make him happy ) but I doubt they'd have three villains anyway. I think its only going to be lizard for SM4 and Im fine with that as well

 

[TomPiltoff]

There is absolutely no way the Sinister Six could ever be done seriously on film, whether in one movie or over several, and not come across as a total cartoon.

 

[Visionary]

The amount of villains has nothing to do with quality of a movie. Batman Begins had three villains (Scarecrow, Ra's Al Ghul, Falcone) and that turned out great. Heck, even X-men 1 and 2 were fine and they both had plenty of villains.

Batman and X-Men villains don't have origin stories on how they got their powers. They either don't have powers or born with it, it makes for an easier flowing movie and a lot less time needed to explain things.

Let's see Nolan put Mr. Freeze, Man-Bat and Clay-Face in one movie, then come talk to me.

There is absolutely no way the Sinister Six could ever be done seriously on film, whether in one movie or over several, and not come across as a total cartoon.

I disagree, a really great screenwriter, a serious director and cast could easily pull it off.

 

[Sentinel X]

Batman and X-Men villains don't have origin stories on how they got their powers. They either don't have powers or born with it, it makes for an easier flowing movie and a lot less time needed to explain things.

Let's see Nolan put Mr. Freeze, Man-Bat and Clay-Face in one movie, then come talk to me.

...and who said showing the origin was neccesary?
Its the screenwriters choice to chose how to creatively introduce the charecters. It could be something as time-consuming as an origin story or something even as simple as J.Jonah telling his assistants about a crazy "lab accident" or whatever that left a man with special abilities...and bingo.

In the Spidey universe it isn't farfetched to see people with special powers because the audience has seen this ALL THREE films so it isn't something sooo far fetched that needs explaination. However, with Nolan's films...if they were to introdece Man-Bat or Clayface (as superpowered being as in the comics) then YES it would need explaination because the universe he has created is vastly different then Spider-mans.

Three villains CAN work! If they use three villains in SM4 it wouldn't completely kill me. Its the creative endeavor that goes into the film that makes a difference quite frankly

 

[The Flea]

I could see them doing it successfully maybe even w the original 6.

S4: Kraven and Lizard
S5: Vulture

Original S6: Retcon Doc Ock's Death. Force Sandman to join the 6 (daughter). Bring back Kraven and Vulture. Introduce Mysterio and Electro in the prior films as opening battles and you're set. Would be even easier w/ the non-original members (IE not Doc Ock retcon, could bring Venom spinoff back into SM series w Venom, Lizard etc...all depends on 4/5).

Not ALL villains need the elaborate back-ground story, especially people like Mysterio or the Vulture, they just need motive which can be displayed by their actions on screen. I kinda just feel like all the origin stuff from before was to make the villains more dramatic and connected to peter...not all need that.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I have been saying this for all along... they could do it if they wanted to. Bring back Doc Ock in the very last scene of SM5 like they did with Barbossa in POTC: DMC. The problem is you need to make SM6 as quickly as possible and I don't want them rushing any more of these films.

 

[Venom'sDad]

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The amount of villains has nothing to do with quality of a movie. Batman Begins had three villains (Scarecrow, Ra's Al Ghul, Falcone) and that turned out great.

I agree... there are a lot of factors of course that has to be achieve; but yes, I do agree.

There is absolutely no way the Sinister Six could ever be done seriously on film, whether in one movie or over several, and not come across as a total cartoon.

I agree & disagree.

I agree that there is no way the film can be done seriously without coming across cartoonish with Sam Raimi style of story telling.

On the otherhand, I truely disagree. Most writers are like a machine, manufacturing stories like a car factory. The great ones have a profound understanding of charcters and their role or usage in the context of a story. Now yes, we are talking about a story based off a comicbook; but if a writer can give a real motivation to the characters, all with specific roles to accomplish a means, and the audience actually feel that someone, a hero, despirately needs to intervene, or truely all hope is lost... than yes it can be done seriously. You find a writer who understand the essence of that, you will find Sinister Six can be formidable threat not to just Spiderman, but to the citizens of New York City and maybe beyond, if they are allowed to suceed.

Batman and X-Men villains don't have origin stories on how they got their powers. They either don't have powers or born with it, it makes for an easier flowing movie and a lot less time needed to explain things.

I agree, besides, it's already established that his villains are career criminals. The same cannot be said for Spidey. Most of his villains are creations of circumstances.

 

[Visionary]

...and who said showing the origin was neccesary?
Its the screenwriters choice to chose how to creatively introduce the charecters. It could be something as time-consuming as an origin story or something even as simple as J.Jonah telling his assistants about a crazy "lab accident" or whatever that left a man with special abilities...and bingo.

Are you out of your freakin' mind, really now, do you really think that would work with a villain like The Lizard? Who wants to see that, I want to see his transformation, not some damn "Oh, by the way, a guy was turned into a giant lizard last night." Especially not from Raimi's Daily Bugle, which is run by a bunch of clowns and is goofier than the guys from TMZ.com.

In the Spidey universe it isn't farfetched to see people with special powers because the audience has seen this ALL THREE films so it isn't something sooo far fetched that needs explaination. However, with Nolan's films...if they were to introdece Man-Bat or Clayface (as superpowered being as in the comics) then YES it would need explaination because the universe he has created is vastly different then Spider-mans.

Yeah, sure, Nolan is special, I get it. Sorry, but I want my damn Spidey villain origin on how they got their powers.

Three villains CAN work! If they use three villains in SM4 it wouldn't completely kill me. Its the creative endeavor that goes into the film that makes a difference quite frankly

They're not using THREE villains, they're only using TWO, thanks to SM3, even they know now that three super-powered villains/origins doesn't mesh well on screen. At least not with Raimi at the helm.

 

[Sentinel X]

Are you out of your freakin' mind, really now, do you really think that would work with a villain like The Lizard? Who wants to see that, I want to see his transformation, not some damn "Oh, by the way, a guy was turned into a giant lizard last night." Especially not from Raimi's Daily Bugle, which is run by a bunch of clowns and is goofier than the guys from TMZ.com.

Ummm...no. Seeing that I didn't SUGGEST them to do that with the Lizard I'd say no
However a villain such as Vulture, Mysterio, even Electro DOES NOT need to have their origins shown on screen.

And who cares if it Daily Bugle or not...my point is it can be done in a short and concise way

Yeah, sure, Nolan is special, I get it. Sorry, but I want my damn Spidey villain origin on how they got their powers.

....Yeah and whats the point? It was done in SM1, 2, and 3. I think the audience gets it. Something goes wrong, DNA altered...superpowers. Why not just cut to the chase?
It doesn't have to be done for ALL the villains that will be in SM4 and 5 but I personally wouldn't care if they just cut to the point.

They're not using THREE villains, they're only using TWO, thanks to SM3, even they know now that three super-powered villains/origins doesn't mesh well on screen. At least not with Raimi at the helm.

Okay, fine by me.

 

[Visionary]

Okay, I'll agree with The Vulture and Mysterio could be handled that way, but not The Lizard and Electro.

 

[HughJackFan420]

I have been saying this for all along... they could do it if they wanted to. Bring back Doc Ock in the very last scene of SM5 like they did with Barbossa in POTC: DMC. The problem is you need to make SM6 as quickly as possible and I don't want them rushing any more of these films.

yes bring back Doc Ock in a cliffhanger but for the sake of there being a Sinister 6 cuz it wouldn't be Sinister 6 without him. and they should recycle some of what they used like Hobgoblin for the sake of there not being that much of an origin. a guy steals Green Goblin garb and weapons then u get Hobgoblin thats the end of that. Doc Ock again. Lizard has yet to be introduced as well as Vulture and Electro which can all can be introduced through out Spidey 4 and 5 and of course as the ring leader of the crew introduce King Pin in the 6th one. Ta da there u have the sinister 6. as far as who the villains should be for what sequels.... 4 could be hobgoblin and lizard. 5 can be Vulture and Electro. that way u can have 2 villains for each movie with room for origin and character development as well as making Sinister 6 possible. i would like for them to bring back Venom and use Carnage somehow that would be cool but b/c they really f'd up on the symbiote story.

 

[HughJackFan420]

Okay, I'll agree with The Vulture and Mysterio could be handled that way, but not The Lizard and Electro.

i have to disagree with u Mysterio is lame...the Vulture ok...i rather have carnage but that would mean bringing back Venom and they messed up on the symbiote story.

Lizard is a must b/c of Dr. Connors already being introduced and Electro would have really cool visual effects as well as he's more vicious villains.

Mysterio...ooooo.....a guy with a fishbowl for a head and cape....scary

 

[Jick]

they couldn't handle three villains. can they do it with six?
even without telling their respective origins...probably there wouldn't have enough development of all of them. some would be let in second plan, giving more importance to others, specially the leader, and this is something I totally don't want. I rather have two villains per film, developed and well used, than have a Spidey movie crowded with villains who won't be done justice.

I do not trust Raimi in this particular case.

 

[chaseter]

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The amount of villains has nothing to do with quality of a movie. Batman Begins had three villains (Scarecrow, Ra's Al Ghul, Falcone) and that turned out great. Heck, even X-men 1 and 2 were fine and they both had plenty of villains.

I wouldn't mind seeing three villains (as long as the script that Vandebuilt has made...already has them in there. No stupid ass Avi Arad forcing Sam Raimi to put villains in the movie just to make him happy ) but I doubt they'd have three villains anyway. I think its only going to be lizard for SM4 and Im fine with that as well

No the amount of villians doesn't have anything to do with it...did anyone say that Or are you just putting words in someone's mouth to win an argument When you have 3 villians that need depth, a back story, a plot, even motivation then yes it has to do with quality if it isn't done right. Falcone, Scarecrow, and Ra's =/= Venom, Goblin Jr., Sandman, the symbiote.

The point being, when you have 3 main villians fighting for screen time, the movie suffers. Falcone was not fighting for screen time and was not a major villian. Most of his backstory was through dialogue and Ra's was absent the entire second and half of the 3rd act. Goblin Jr., symbiote, Sandman were introduced in the 1st act and then the **** hit the fan even more when Venom was introduced in the 3rd act.