Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Coulson Lives! (the Clark Gregg aka Phil Coulson thread)

[kedrell]

Well I don't think he's a LMD because we saw him bleed in episode 0-4-8.

LMD's can bleed as well. They're meant to be indistinguishable from the real person they are imitating. That's why they generally don't have superstrength despite basically being androids. So that doesn't discount the LMD theory at all.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

With Coulson always calling Tahiti a 'magical place,' I cant help but think his resurrection has something to do with Asgard, I wouldnt be surprised if that turned out to be true as they are laying on the word magical pretty thick in the 2 episodes so far.

 

[wobbly]

I think the "its a magical place" line is just meant to be a false memory. Whatever happened with him, I think its way stretching to go assuming some kind of literal Voodoo resurrection spell.

I think it's like a key/trigger word thing. When his death is brought up 'magical place' triggers in his mind to activate the fake memory of Tahiti and hide the truth.

 

[wobbly]

With Coulson always calling Tahiti a 'magical place,' I cant help but think his resurrection has something to do with Asgard, I wouldnt be surprised if that turned out to be true as they are laying on the word magical pretty thick in the 2 episodes so far.

Maybe...we know they have 'healers' who can deal with serious wounds (Fandral got skewered badly in Thor) but why must he 'never know'?. Why would being brought back by Asgardian means be something they must hide from him?

I think whatever it is it's something Coulson will not be happy about at all. Will probably be horrified when he finds out. Being an LMD would fit that, but for comic fans of the show that seems a bit too obvious to me.

Other Sorcery? Maybe...They are developing Doctor Strange after all. Using this show to introduce true magic, rather than the old 'science so advanced it seems like magic' thing, would set things up his his film.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Maybe...we know they have 'healers' who can deal with serious wounds (Fandral got skewered badly in Thor) but why must he 'never know'?. Why would being brought back by Asgardian means be something they must hide from him?

I think whatever it is it's something Coulson will not be happy about at all. Will probably be horrified when he finds out. Being an LMD would fit that, but for comic fans of the show that seems a bit too obvious to me.

Other Sorcery? Maybe...They are developing Doctor Strange after all. Using this show to introduce true magic, rather than the old 'science so advanced it seems like magic' thing, would set things up his his film.

I agree with this. If it's the LMD, then that makes sense.

But if they did something to keep him alive/bring him back, it somehow would be something that he really wouldn't like. I'm wondering if somehow people were hurt in bringing him back, or even if Shield had to make bargains with people Coulson would never want them bargaining with.

Who knows.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I think the "its a magical place" line is just meant to be a false memory. Whatever happened with him, I think its way stretching to go assuming some kind of literal Voodoo resurrection spell.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Maybe...we know they have 'healers' who can deal with serious wounds (Fandral got skewered badly in Thor) but why must he 'never know'?. Why would being brought back by Asgardian means be something they must hide from him?

I think whatever it is it's something Coulson will not be happy about at all. Will probably be horrified when he finds out. Being an LMD would fit that, but for comic fans of the show that seems a bit too obvious to me.

Other Sorcery? Maybe...They are developing Doctor Strange after all. Using this show to introduce true magic, rather than the old 'science so advanced it seems like magic' thing, would set things up his his film.

Maybe whatever they used in Asgard to bring him back involved Dark Magic, like Odin used to get Thor to Earth in Avengers, this in turn may have triggered the Dark Elves a bit more who I guess cause a lot of destruction in Thor 2. It could be something like that. Coulson would rather have stayed dead than his being brought back to life causing such destruction in the universe.

 

[Dr. Evil]

If Coulson was in Asgard, wouldn't Thor have known?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

If Coulson was in Asgard, wouldn't Thor have known?

Thor might have known, or Odin did it behind his back as Loki was the one who killed Coulson after all.

 

[wobbly]

But how did they get his corpse there?

Thor used the only means to get back to Asgard (the Tesserract) at the end of the Avengers. Afaik, by the start of Thor: The Dark World, they have only just repaired Bifrost.

 

[Xeno]

But how did they get his corpse there?

Thor used the only means to get back to Asgard (the Tesserract) at the end of the Avengers. Afaik, by the start of Thor: The Dark World, they have only just repaired Bifrost.

The Valkyrie. Valkyrie don't need no rainbow bridge. They've got winged horses.

 

[TRM]

Maybe Coulson is a clone or LMD but it's something like clones and LMD's don't have memories or complete personality without storing brain patterns, or something. In one interview didn't Gregg say it would be cool to be Capt Marvel? Would it be cool if there's some way he is Captain Marvel and he doesn't/ can't know it yet?... Perhaps Coulson has some sort of Kree neural link that makes up the parts of his mind that were missing after he died, and a virtual reality memory was implanted of him actually being on the island... Editing his memories of the death. Shield would be controlling people's minds in some ways by altering memories, but not to the extent Hydra has with Winter Soldier.

Maybe years ago a Kree ship crashed and Shield recovered a pilot -- he's in a coma and his subconscious mind is drifting between dream-space and the negaverse: which exists in a magical sort of place between realities because dreams and the negaverse don't experience time/space the same way, and are closer to Limbo...

This crashed Kree pilot was stuck in near death state, in the coma, kept alive in a tube like Leader. Shield need info so Coulson's mind became linked to him... Coulson's conscious brain patterns bring Mar-vell's brain patterns back from the other side, and he can never know that his subconsciousness is being completed by Mar-vell, and that Mar-vell's mind was drifting in a subconscious state and needed Coulson's brain patterns to be merged...

Eventually the nega bands let Coulson switch places with the half-alive Kree agent in the tube and rearrange the particles of the body. Coulson is the conscious mind, Mar-vell is his subconscious alter ego, they now start to share a body and memories... He can never know what his subconscious is up to right now in the dreamscape, because the waking mind doesn't know what goes on completely with the subconscious other side... Dreams, and these implanted virtual memories can seem magical. Coulson would have the ability to kind of create whatever he wants when he swtiches places with the Kree agent and allows him to take full control of his body/shape-shifts. Mar-vell compled his mind soon after his death and brought it back from Limbo, and Coulson completes Mar-vell's mind to keep him alive in the coma state on the other side.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

But how did they get his corpse there?

Thor used the only means to get back to Asgard (the Tesserract) at the end of the Avengers. Afaik, by the start of Thor: The Dark World, they have only just repaired Bifrost.

We only saw Thor use the Tesserract to take Loki back to Asgard, whose to say he didnt use it before or after to collect Coulson's corps, or again, Odin could have done it without Thor knowing.

The Valkyrie. Valkyrie don't need no rainbow bridge. They've got winged horses.

I'm sure there are a multitude of things they could come up with to get Coulson to Asgard.

 

[Herolee10]

Maybe Fury or SHIELD made a deal with a questionable/evil force in order to resurrect Coulson.

Considering on how trying to tamper with the Cosmic Cube backfired on SHIELD big time, I can't see fury tampering with "forces beyond his control" so soon after the mess that Loki created and no matter how great of an agent Coulson was, I don't think that Fury would make a "deal with the proverbial devil" in order to bring him back if it was going to bring a great loss somewhere down the line.

 

[Xeno]

This was the most interesting Coulson moment of the show for me:

 

[Herolee10]

On another note, no disrespect to either Coulson or Clark Gregg, but for me personally, it's definitely something that feels like I'm getting used to regarding seeing the character expressing an really angry look on his face while being in combat.

Normally,his face always has this calm and collected look on his face whenever he's put in a dangerous situation, but seeing him with this angry look while he was shooting in the forest, which by the way...I didn't feel that the camera spinning around him and his old colleague was the best idea to use for that shot...was...well..different, almost a bit forced even.

 

[Mysteryman]

I think it's like a key/trigger word thing. When his death is brought up 'magical place' triggers in his mind to activate the fake memory of Tahiti and hide the truth.

Agreed.

 

[markaudette]

Coulson is, of course, a LMD, And I think we'll all find out what became of them both when the LMD Coulson sees his own body in suspended animation ...somewhere. That's how I think we'll all find out the truth. And I'm sure the whole thing is gong to be a catastrophe for Nick Fury, who is going to be white hot with anger when he finds out.

Tahiti can be magical. I think that's the clue that Coulson's body is there in suspended animation using somebody else's magic (like Odin's sleep chamber.)

 

[Mysteryman]

If the Coulson on the show is an LMD,
And the real Coulsons body is in some some sort of suspended animation,
Does that mean Coulson is only near death and not actually dead?
If he is only in suspended animation,
Why not revive him?

 

[Mysteryman]

Coulson is, of course, a LMD, And I think we'll all find out what became of them both when the LMD Coulson sees his own body in suspended animation ...somewhere. That's how I think we'll all find out the truth. And I'm sure the whole thing is gong to be a catastrophe for Nick Fury, who is going to be white hot with anger when he finds out.

Tahiti can be magical. I think that's the clue that Coulson's body is there in suspended animation using somebody else's magic (like Odin's sleep chamber.)

Implanted memories are not new.
You dont have to be a LMD to have your memories changed.

 

[markaudette]

I'm going to assume Coulson's body is in suspended animation dead. But that the device protecting him is like Odin's sleep chamber and is trying to repair the dying cells in Coulson's body. If I recall, Coulson's body had spent 3 minutes dead, as per some dialog spoken on A.o.S. Isn't 7 minutes irreversible death in humans?

I am assuming the sleep chamber does not have the ability to restore a dead body back to life. But that it could, at the very least, suspend death in dying cells. So that Coulson's body lies in a state exactly between death and life. 3 minutes dead is not alive, but neither is it irreversible death. And that Nick Fury probably gave everyone a very heavy-handed speech that they had no other option other than to jury-rig the sleep chamber to restore dying tissue. This is a big opportunity for the show to deal with death. And to showcase how sometimes it's possible to circumnavigate around death if one is very, very, very lucky.

 

[Mysteryman]

I Hope that there is another explanation.

 

[Vartha]

But how did they get his corpse there?

Thor used the only means to get back to Asgard (the Tesserract) at the end of the Avengers. Afaik, by the start of Thor: The Dark World, they have only just repaired Bifrost.

Actually Wobs, I'm pretty sure I didn't see the destiny spear go back with Thor and Loki and somewhere I heard Shield claimed it wasn't working after they left. (think it was item 47)

 

[Vartha]

lol Yeah, I'm still confused as to what SHIELD told Phil and just how much he really remembers.

This was the most interesting Coulson moment of the show for me:

 

[wobbly]

I'm going to assume Coulson's body is in suspended animation dead. But that the device protecting him is like Odin's sleep chamber and is trying to repair the dying cells in Coulson's body. If I recall, Coulson's body had spent 3 minutes dead, as per some dialog spoken on A.o.S. Isn't 7 minutes irreversible death in humans?

I am assuming the sleep chamber does not have the ability to restore a dead body back to life. But that it could, at the very least, suspend death in dying cells. So that Coulson's body lies in a state exactly between death and life. 3 minutes dead is not alive, but neither is it irreversible death. And that Nick Fury probably gave everyone a very heavy-handed speech that they had no other option other than to jury-rig the sleep chamber to restore dying tissue. This is a big opportunity for the show to deal with death. And to showcase how sometimes it's possible to circumnavigate around death if one is very, very, very lucky.

I think its about 5 minutes dead (Clinical death: heart stopped) before the brain suffers irreversible damage, but it can be extended to as much as 10 if the body is cooled quickly by a few degrees quickly after death, and maybe longer with drugs immediately administered.

The rest of the body can last longer before permanent damage sets in, but once the brain is knackered there aint much point.