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Let's talk about him! I love the crane sequence.
I hope C. Thomas Howell returns for the sequel.
He should be the new Bruce Campbell!
I think I'm one of the rare fans that actually enjoyed the crane scene.
Well, I enjoyed that too. But not because it was someone helping Spidey, but because we had the story of how Spider-man saved that guy's son's life. Both scenes had great emotional value since it was so well done and the scene with Peter saving that kid was beautiful. Thusly, when the father went to help Spider-man, you could get why exactly he did it and what feelings and intensity were involved.
My thoughts exactly. t:
The crane sequence is probably one of the worst scenes in the movie.
The crane sequence is probably one of the worst scenes in the movie.
YOU'RE bad!
Although it had some nice visuals, the crane scene sucked. It was one of the few scenes in the movie that was obviously just rehashing a scene from Raimi's first film, yet it was done worse. In this case I'm referring to the scene where the public start throwing junk at Green Goblin.
Also it was just too contrived and convenient. Why couldn't Spider-man get there on his own? Because his leg was hurt? Why would that effect his ability to swing there? His leg was fine enough to fight the Lizard once he got to Oscorp.
Crane dad just happens to be watching the news as people are evacuating, and the news reporter without any subtlety says something along the lines of 'Spider-man is heading to Oscorp, but uh oh he's hurt. It looks like he might not be able to make it...'
Then we see Crane Dad spring into action. And in case the audience doesn't have the memory span to recognize who he is, Crane Dad reminds us all by saying "that's the guy who saved my boy on the bridge" and just in case this isn't enough, we are then shown a photo of Crane Dad's boy taped to his television.
So without any explanation, Crane Dad demands his co-worker to contact a handful of other crane operators who all immediately and simultaneously drop what ever they're doing to get in a bunch of cranes that are conveniently arranged in a straight line between Spider-man and his destination.
If memory serves, Spider-man and Crane Dad make eye contact just long enough for Crane Dad to give a supportive thumbs up. Yeah... that scene wasn't lame at all .
Making Crane Dad a reoccuring character would be a hilariously terrible idea. I can just imagine a scene where Rhino is about to flatten Spidey under his foot, when suddenly a wrecking ball swings into frame and sends Rhino flying. Spidey turns his head to see Crane Dad giving his trademark thumbs up from the driver's cabin of a giant crane that had somehow gone completely unnoticed until this point.
I just guess you can't please fans lol
Yes, it's the scene kind of scene, but this time with a story behind, no bad acting and no corny lines ("I got something for your ass! You mess with Spidey, you mess with New York" "You mess with one of us, you mess with all of us.") and no villain staying there still and quiet while all that happens.
Which for you, somehow, is worse.
Again, people calling each other for help and concurring to the same place... that happens in real life. And the cranes weren't "conveniently" aligned, it was deliberately. Big difference there.
You think 'I got something for your ass' is out of the realm of possible dialogue for a black guy in New york?
I think this scene was better because it was shorter and more straight forward.
Assisting someone in a fight by throwing things at their attacker seems a lot more common place than a bunch of construction workers getting in their cranes out of working hours (all at Crane dad's request) to line up a row of cranes for Spider-man to swing on, despite the fact he swings around the city all time and the majority of them had only just heard of Spider-man and would be unaware of the limitations of his mode of transport.
What do you mean? The Cranes were all positioned in a row between Spidey and Oscorp. The operators merely turned the cranes in their current positions, they didn't move the entire cranes to new positions.
And again, a bunch of construction workers instantly and simultaneously jumping into their cranes out of working hours (for no pay) at the request of one guy, so that a costumed vigilante can swing on them with spider webs is a lot harder to swallow than some bystanders throwing stuff at a guy who is trying to kill Spider-man along with a tram full of kids.
You may have seen cheesy but I saw a beautiful, deeply emotion filled scene that at its core was a thankful father attempting to pay Spidey back in any way that he could, for saving his son's life.
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It gave Spidey the rise he needed to overcome the struggles he was facing.
This is hands down my favourite post on this entire forum and I think I love you?
But it wasn't, as you said, "conveniently" as in "by a mere and fantastic coincidence," but because there was a story behind and the crane people did it on purpose.
Convenient is people staying in a place because somehow they suddenly thought Spider-man was cool (when the movie emphasizes that the ci8ty distrusts him). Convenient is a villain that stays still instead of reacting.
Yes, it's like a bunch of policemen going to a place at the same time because the captain said so. Nothing strange. That guy had friends and/or employees, as it happens in real life, and made them do it something deliberately. Few things can be more common than that. Only this time, they had a reason.
Crane dad just happens to be watching the news as people are evacuating
Clearly I'm not going to sway your opinion or in anyway diminish your love of the Crane Dad, but I want to make my points clear and express that I think your arguments have a clear bias. And let me say first that I wasn't even that fond of the Goblin/public sequence, I was only comparing it to the Crane Dad sequence because one is obviously imitating the other. I agree with the majority of your criticisms on that scene.
Your first point: *The arrangements of the Crane was not convenient.
It absolutely was. The Cranes were already arranged in a row between Spidey and Oscorp BEFORE Crane Dad made the call. Crane Dad merely ordered the Cranes to be turned in their current positions, not for the entire machines to be relocated. THAT is what is convenient.
Next *somehow they suddenly thought Spider-man was cool (when the movie emphasizes that the city distrusts him)
This is completely unreasonable. The people suddenly thought Spider-man was 'cool' because they were personally watching him save a tram full of kids right in front of their eyes. I find it hard to believe that you could unintentionally overlook that. They were directly witnessing Spider-man in the act of being a hero, whereas none of the crane operators were.
*Convenient is a villain that stays still instead of reacting.
I agree with you. A few changes could have been made to make the sequence more believable. Still, this in no way negates the convenience of the crane scene.
That is a terrible analogy and I think you know it. It is in the duties of a Police officer to behave in the way you mentioned. That is their job. The construction workers were not acting within their duties, they were doing Crane Dad a favor (who by the way was never specified to be their boss). It would be impressive for Construction workers to all immediately and simultaneously carry out the request on command even if they on duty at the time, let alone running to their cranes during the night out of business hours for no pay.
I would've liked the scene a lot more if Crane Dad were say, a helicopter pilot. That way he could have assisted Spidey alone by flying the helicopter over his head and towing him to Oscorp. It would've had the exact same emotional effect, yet in my opinion would've come off far less contrived.