Craziest Question EVER on the HYPE!

[bryanss3]

are you implying you can't be gay and Christian?

 

[Roughneck]

For some reason.....I think Pym could do it....yeah I know.

Or Beast.....but then I recall back when, when Beast said he was Gay to get back at Trish for breaking up with him......


What about Iron Fist? I don't recall a lot about him with the ladies.

wouldnt it have been great if Ben Riley was gay?

Or a Ghost Rider?

these are all folks I know nothing about relationships for..

Or one of the kids from power pack.

Now....what about a villain? Wouldn't that be easier? BAM, Blizzard is gay. Tiger Shark? Gay!

 

[Tron Bonne]

What about Iron Fist? I don't recall a lot about him with the ladies.

I think him and Misty are an on again, off again item. I don't know if that's a new development in the new series or not though

 

[bored]

We are all forgetting the gayest character there is....

GALACTUS! Dude wears garish pink/purple clothing (including a skirt), and typically has a man-servant doting on him. Occasionally, this is a naked, muscle-bound surfer.

 

[DACMAN]

are you implying you can't be gay and Christian?

Way to side step the question. I'm not implying anything. I thought my question was pretty clear. What do they think of the parts that beat up on homosexuals? Since I can tell you're looking to pick a fight I'll just post the passages. Ask your friends what they make of them.

1 Corinthians 6:9

1 Timothy 1:10

If they call themselves Christians they are adhering themselves to a religion that says the entire bases for their religion is the Bible. It doesn't sound like that hard of a question. What do they make of those passages?


But anyway, back up topic. So no Cable. What if Marvel made a bad guy gay? How do you think that would go? And who would that be? I've heard people say in the past at comic seminars that they think the Joker is actually gay. And even in love with Batman. It adds so much depth to the character. Which Marvel villain do you guys think would add depth if he was gay?

 

[DACMAN]

For some reason.....I think Pym could do it....yeah I know.

Or Beast.....but then I recall back when, when Beast said he was Gay to get back at Trish for breaking up with him......


What about Iron Fist? I don't recall a lot about him with the ladies.

wouldnt it have been great if Ben Riley was gay?

Or a Ghost Rider?

these are all folks I know nothing about relationships for..

Or one of the kids from power pack.

Now....what about a villain? Wouldn't that be easier? BAM, Blizzard is gay. Tiger Shark? Gay!

Iron Fist I could see. I don't think Reilly would fly with the fans because he is basically Peter. Not to mention I think the homosexual community wouldn't care for it since it is saying that being gay is a choice and that you aren't born with it. Seeing as how Peter isn't gay and they are clones. It would imply that environment played the part in Ben Reilly being gay, and that he wasn't just born that way.


And when you say Ghost Rider do you mean the demon, or the guy?

 

[THANOSRULES]

I could see Luke Cage gay.

Why not make a villian gay?

Arnim Zola...?

 

[DACMAN]

I was thinking maybe Cletus Kasidy.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Way to side step the question. I'm not implying anything. I thought my question was pretty clear. What do they think of the parts that beat up on homosexuals? Since I can tell you're looking to pick a fight I'll just post the passages. Ask your friends what they make of them.

1 Corinthians 6:9

1 Timothy 1:10

If they call themselves Christians they are adhering themselves to a religion that says the entire bases for their religion is the Bible. It doesn't sound like that hard of a question. What do they make of those passages?

There was a lesbian couple that I once worked with who considered themselves christians (one was the sister of a pastor at my church). I asked them the same question and they just shrugged and said they chose to ignore those parts.

But then again, people (christian and non-christian) take homosexuality and make it out to be the biggest sin possible. However, according to the bible homosexuality is just as much a sin as any other save 'blasphemy against the holy spirit', which is the only sin that the Bible says won't be forgiven. So a gay person being a christian is exactly the same as a murderer or a little white lier being a christian.

I think maybe the differance is that if a person with a sin they cling to wishes to be a christian, they can refuse their 'flesh' or the temptations of those sins in order to better serve God. If you wish to be a christian but continue your lifestyle, regretful about it, asking forgiveness... I think God would honor that. If you choose to be a christian but also to embrace the sin then I'd think that'd make you a hippocrite and maybe one of those people who the Bible mentions God will cast out even though they swore they knew and followed Him... when it's obvious they'd chosen to embrace their own sin moreso than God.

In relation to this thread and Nightcrawler, which is how it came up... I don't see it at all. He's a catholic, yes, and he's also had a long history of female partners with no evidense or anything leading toward him even being bi-sexual. Now, with all that aside and just looking at his faith, if he were gay then he's obviously resisting that sin, as he would see it, and putting God first, so I think that would explain his homosexuality along with his faith. Granted though, if the writers were to make him embrase a homosexual lifestyle then he'd be turning his back on his faith that he's clung to all these years and that would be a bigger detriment to his character than if he went gay. His faith is such a large aspect of his character that I think making him turn against it would destroy him more than make him interesting. There are much better candidates.

But anyway, back up topic. So no Cable. What if Marvel made a bad guy gay? How do you think that would go? And who would that be? I've heard people say in the past at comic seminars that they think the Joker is actually gay. And even in love with Batman. It adds so much depth to the character. Which Marvel villain do you guys think would add depth if he was gay?

Joker was revealed to be gay or bi in the Batman Cacophany mini by Kevin Smith.

Also, Iron Fist is straight and engaged to Misty Collins. Luke Cage is obviously married and crazy about his wife, Jessica Jones.

As for heroes I could see going gay...

Longshot - Bi-Sexual
Psylocke - Bi-Sexual

Starlord - Gay

 

[random_havoc]

Really? What do they think about the parts of the Bible that beat up on gay people?

Being as how I'm a pastor, I take issue with the choice in wording. I think I know your meaning, but saying something is immoral, and lashing out in anger/hatred are two very different things. Granted, there are a number of misguided "christians" who don't realize that, but that doesn't make it untrue.

For example, while I believe the Bible when it says homosexuality is a sin, I would still freely welcome homosexuals into my church just as I do people who commit fornication (sex outside of marriage), another clear sin.

As for Christians who are gay, if they claim to be Christians but also claim there is not wrong with homosexuality they are either outrightly hypocritical or deluding themselves as to the clear teachings of the Bible (I base this on my knowledge of Scripture having read it multiple times and on being halfway through my masters degree in theology and biblical studies).

That's not to say it's not possible to be a Christian and a homosexual at the same time, but the Bible's teachings on this issue are clear, so to be an obedient Christian one would have to resist homosexual urges (as it is not the inclination to sin that is a sin, but the actual act, or fantasying/wishing to commit that act).


Lastly, as to the previous comment in regards to a lesbian Christian couple who just "ignore" the parts of the Bible that teach that homosexuality is a sin, that is exactly the same as saying that we'll listen to some things that God almighty says, but just ignore those things we don't want to listen to. I can respect those who choose to obey the Bible, i can respect those who believe the Bible is a bunch of bull (though i obviously disagree), but someone who tries to pick and choose from the word of God I cannot respect.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Hey, didn't know you were a pastor, Random. Awsome!

 

[random_havoc]

Hey, didn't know you were a pastor, Random. Awsome!

Thanks
I should be more specific though I suppose, technically I'm between pastorates right now while I'm back in seminary finishing my education. I was a youth pastor previously and will be a senior pastor of a church in a year and half or so when I'm done school (Lord willing).
I still get invited to preach every once in a while though which is one of the things I most love doing. Just preached last Sunday actually

 

[venom892]

I think him and Misty are an on again, off again item. I don't know if that's a new development in the new series or not though

They moved in together at the end of Immortal and Misty is pregnant with their child.Also Cable has had relationships and Moon Knight couldn't even tell Frenchie was coming on to him in the past.Nightcrawler has shown interest in women on various occasions.Hasn't Havok always been in Love with Polaris?I really don't know who logically can be outed as Gay.

 

[bryanss3]

Way to side step the question. I'm not implying anything. I thought my question was pretty clear. What do they think of the parts that beat up on homosexuals? Since I can tell you're looking to pick a fight I'll just post the passages. Ask your friends what they make of them.

1 Corinthians 6:9

1 Timothy 1:10

If they call themselves Christians they are adhering themselves to a religion that says the entire bases for their religion is the Bible. It doesn't sound like that hard of a question. What do they make of those passages?

I won't question the Bible but I'll question you for believing everything in it is fact and truth about how to live. I don't believe in god, thats not my point though. If god does exist he didn't write the Bible. Jesus Christ didn't write the Bible. A bunch of people over time did.

And just so you know I'm not looking for a fight. This thread really bothers me even as a hypothetical. Sexuality is the least important thing about any person or fictional character. It seems like you think it's a bigger thing than it actually is and it pains me that people still feel that way. Suddenly making an established character homosexual just because there is nothing indicating they're not is something done for shock value. There are plenty of gay characters in comics, just not really in the Marvel Universe.

 

[random_havoc]

I won't question the Bible but I'll question you for believing everything in it is fact and truth about how to live. I don't believe in god, thats not my point though. If god does exist he didn't write the Bible. Jesus Christ didn't write the Bible. A bunch of people over time did.

Those are some bold statements to make. Yes, the Bible was written by people over time. However the whole point is that those people were directly inspired by God hence why anyone believes in the Bible or Jesus Christ at all. Either it's all true and worthy of following, or none of it is any more worthy of following than a book written by Bob, the guy who lives down the street.
In fact, I would argue that the fact that it was written by numerous people is evidence to support that it was inspired by God, because despite the fact that it was written over a period of 1500 years by more than 40 authors and by people ranging from fishermen to kings, it still nonetheless has a beautiful uniformity doctrinally and in its witness in regards to God and to Christ.

I understand you don't want to argue, and that's fine, but if you make more sweeping, general statements about major moral/spiritual issues it's likely people will want to respond. And I hope you realize that I don't mean this as an argument, I mean it as a discussion, especially since the Bible and related issues are my favorite topics.

 

[DACMAN]

He's making those "sweeping, general statements" because like I said, he's looking for a fight.

 

[The Question]

Really? What do they think about the parts of the Bible that beat up on gay people?

I've honestly never asked them.

Way to side step the question. I'm not implying anything. I thought my question was pretty clear. What do they think of the parts that beat up on homosexuals? Since I can tell you're looking to pick a fight I'll just post the passages. Ask your friends what they make of them.

1 Corinthians 6:9

1 Timothy 1:10

If they call themselves Christians they are adhering themselves to a religion that says the entire bases for their religion is the Bible. It doesn't sound like that hard of a question. What do they make of those passages?

There are a few things here that are... they're not misconceptions, really, because they are quite true in some cases, but generalizations of the Christian Faith.

The most important, really, is the matter of The Bible. It is the basis of the religion, yes, but it's importance does vary from Christian to Christian. Some view it as the literal word of God made into something material. Others see it as a collection of written works that were the basis of a belief system that has grown and evolved since then. Some see The Bible as a sacred object, and others consider the people who hold the book itself to be sacred as being just as guilty of worshiping a false idol as anyone dancing around a pagan statue. There are a lot of differing opinions on this matter, and several others, in the communities of people who call themselves Christian.

As for the quotes themselves. First, let me get out of the way the obligatory reference to the matter of translation. The fact of the matter is, The Bible was not written in English. It wasn't even written in all the same language. Translations are a tricky thing, especially with older, less used, or dead languages, or languages significantly different from English. While some translators get "homosexual," others get "those who abuse themselves with men" or "who make wrong use of men." Now, that sounds like it could mean homosexual, but it also sounds like it could mean other things, and the translation that gets "homosexual" is something of an assumption of the original meaning.

But translations aside, I think a more important issue is interpretation. Let's look at that quote from Corinthians, using one of the more common translations:

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God."

Now, most take that to mean God's heavenly fury against the unworthy. But others see it differently. One interpretation is that, to attain the Kingdom of God, one must be truly selfless. One must not be distracted by material or selfish things, or be bogged down by an overblown ego. One must be more concerned with spiritual growth and the needs of the greater human family than the petty needs and wants of the every day individual. So, it's not that the people listed above will be punished in hellfire, but that people can't attain the Kingdom of God if they wrap themselves up in selfish material matters, like sex, or monetary gain. It's a life of true selflessness, which means an absence of self and the desires of self. So, they list fornicators, thieves, adulterers, and homosexuals in the context of people who let these base desires for physical things run their lives and wrap all around them. Not people who have very close and loving relationships with people of the same sex, and over all find people of the same sex more attractive, in ways other that but also including finding them sexually attractive.




So yeah. Nightcrawler can be gay. Except for the fact that it would be stupid.

 

[bryanss3]

I guess I'm only looking for a fight. thanks Dacman
Like you said Random_Havok it is inspired by god and there are lots of positive messages in the bible, but things inspired by a God aren't always 100% right even if they seemed right back when they were written. Things change over time. Homosexuality wasn't socially acceptable behavior when the bible was written. The book isn't going to be rewritten for modern times. It's peoples responsibility to grow and accept how things have changed over time. I'm glad I'm not in the club that says a man is a sinner and will go to hell if he loves another man. And just for the record I don't believe all Christians think that way or you I'm just saying in general because a lot of people still do.

 

[Reaper]

There are gay people who are also Christian. I know two.

Right, but they are Christian in their own minds only. I mean really, If you call yourself a Christian yet don't believe the Bible, What kinda Christian are you? There are things in the Bible that I can see are open to interpretation....this aint one of those issues. The Bible is quite clear on this issue, only a lawyer could "interpret" it differently.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I was thinking maybe Cletus Kasidy.

I could imagine him being a rapist. Of either sex.

 

[iloveclones]

Right, but they are Christian in their own minds only.

That's the inclusive mindset that sent me screaming away from the Catholic Church in my 20s. Now that I'm older, I've decided they either have to put up with my viewpoint regarding gays and abortion or Ex-communicate me. I haven't had any takers yet.

 

[DACMAN]

Why would they Ex-communicate you for thinking it's ok to kill babies? It's not like it's illegal.

 

[Sloth7d]

Right, but they are Christian in their own minds only. I mean really, If you call yourself a Christian yet don't believe the Bible, What kinda Christian are you?

I don't understand this question. There are dozens of sects of christianity all believing that some of the other sects aren't true christians. There is no one single Christian view point.

There are things in the Bible that I can see are open to interpretation....this aint one of those issues. The Bible is quite clear on this issue, only a lawyer could "interpret" it differently.

They're probably using one, some, or all of four things as justification.

1)The verses denouncing gays in the OT are coupled with a list of other barbaric laws that a lot of other christians deem of having no merrit in the new covenant created by Jesus in the NT.

2)The fact that Jesus never commented on gays any immorality they might have.

3)The people who do mention gay immorality in the NT aren't Jesus and they mention it long after Jesus ascended into heaven.

4)They interpret Galations 3:28-29 as justification for their life style choice.


On topic. I always wanted She-hulk and Tigra to be lesbian lovers. It'd be hot and it'd be a pretty interesting relationship maybe? If this is a bit too telling of my male hormones going on over drive, then perhaps Amadeus Cho and Nightcrawler. Don't ask. I just see them looking as a good couple personally. Though it would be pretty hard for Marvel to make any convincing transition to any already established characters sexuallity at this point. So it's really hard to think of those that could work. Really, it's just best to change them over in the Ult. universe before contriving something so irrelevant as this.

 

[Sloth7d]

I could imagine him being a rapist. Of either sex.

Has he been brought back in 616, or is he still drifting in space two halfs a man.

 

[iloveclones]

Why would they Ex-communicate you for thinking it's ok to kill babies? It's not like it's illegal.

So true.