Critical & Public Opinion: Will it get Worse or Better?

I absolutely believe the opinion will get better over time. Wasn't there some rotten tomato critic who wrote an article about how he and his peers may have misunderstood the film? The reason why the film got such a negative reaction was that it was a polarizing change to what we were used to in terms of a superman movie. I think especially after the second film, people will be used to this "new" superman and will look at the first movie through much more sympathetic eyes.
 
I absolutely believe the opinion will get better over time. Wasn't there some rotten tomato critic who wrote an article about how he and his peers may have misunderstood the film? The reason why the film got such a negative reaction was that it was a polarizing change to what we were used to in terms of a superman movie. I think especially after the second film, people will be used to this "new" superman and will look at the first movie through much more sympathetic eyes.

Well, if the movie was the same but the characters were called differently, then I think I myself would have found it a better movie.
 
I watched this film again, today. As a film, it does have its issues and I understand the complaints with pacing and ect. But, I STILL attest that the reason this film's critical reception was so mixed is because it was such a radically different interpretation of Superman. Superman is arguably one of the most well known pop culture figures, and everyone has their own idea of how Superman is supposed to be. Snyder arguably presented a very alien and sci-fi version of Kal-El. Hopefully, Batman and Superman has #1, a stronger and more standout script, but also, let's hope the film's tone is less alien and more flat-out comic-booky.
 
less alien
I think that's pretty much a given with Batman thrown into the mix but I'd rather have the overall tone to retain an equally to MoS or even more grounded and realistic level with only the most essential and necessary aspects from the comics.
No Dark Knight-level of realism (which would be impossible with Kal-El around anyway) but enough to continue setting the films in the DCCU well apart from the results of Marvel's way to approach/do adaptations.
 
I watched this film again, today. As a film, it does have its issues and I understand the complaints with pacing and ect. But, I STILL attest that the reason this film's critical reception was so mixed is because it was such a radically different interpretation of Superman. Superman is arguably one of the most well known pop culture figures, and everyone has their own idea of how Superman is supposed to be. Snyder arguably presented a very alien and sci-fi version of Kal-El. Hopefully, Batman and Superman has #1, a stronger and more standout script, but also, let's hope the film's tone is less alien and more flat-out comic-booky.

agree, other CBMs doesn't have this problem of former movies that people loved so much that everything new take of the character is automatically inferior to them. not to mention the super high expectations of people from the movie.
 
I think the majority of the general public was "fine" with it.

I think the majority thought the movie was good. Maybe not great, but good. And all my friends and family enjoyed MOS more than movies like The Avengers and Iron Man.

I still don´t see what´s the big problem with this movie.
 
Superman is the only superhero character (except for maybe Batman?) that goes beyond that, he's a worldwide symbol. Everyone has their own interpretation of what he means so any movie about him is bound to be judged harsher than say an Iron Man or Thor movie. Personally I loved the film, but I'm someone who always found the Reeves version lacking though so... I always loved the original 1930's version, I have Action Comics #1 on my kindle and I read it often :)
 
Caught this on HBO today, and my opinion is largely the same: a pretty good film that suffered from Snyder's excesses, particularly the 3rd act. Violence and destruction are fine, but when there's so much, it loses it's potency. I still like Cavill and Adams' chemistry, and I enjoy the movie on the whole, but Snyder can't do drama.
 
MOS was trending on twitter yesterday and most of the tweets I saw were positive. I think people will decide to watch it one day and think it's not as bad as they once thought.
 
Caught this on HBO today, and my opinion is largely the same: a pretty good film that suffered from Snyder's excesses, particularly the 3rd act. Violence and destruction are fine, but when there's so much, it loses it's potency. I still like Cavill and Adams' chemistry, and I enjoy the movie on the whole, but Snyder can't do drama.

My feelings as well. Saw this for the first time on HBO last night. I couldn't finish it. It gave me a headache. Too much like a videogame. The casting was pretty good, but the script just didn't give them much to work with. And why was everyone being thrown into buildings for the action scenes? It was just too much.

I actually like some of Snyder's previous work, but they should go with another director who emphasizes story and drama over visuals.
 
I actually like some of Snyder's previous work, but they should go with another director who emphasizes story and drama over visuals.

I truly believe they overreacted to SR's lack of wam-bam action, and hired Snyder because they knew he'd deliver in that regard. Problem is, he didn't have a smart enough script to get away with it.
 
Yes but my point was how a sequel can make people view a film differently or even view a film at all. Begins did get labelled boring by a lot of people who changed their mind upon seeing the sequel.

MOS is actually more critically slammed than anything else. Outside of here I haven't heard many say it was bad or they didn't like it.

I knew I wasn't the only one that remembered this happening to a degree.
The style of action and the lame arkham escape(compared to year one) didn't help.

Every cbm has fans with preconceptions that go in wanting particular things. Some properties such as cap don't have that many due to being a lesser known title with little hollywood films. Some have more. In the case of MoS you are dealing with a special phenomena of having actual legions of the GA and Critical community behave like fanboys due to 40 years of of specific cinema history...interesting things will and did happen.

There is also an element of everyone saying the brand needs a new approach cause it's old fashioned ways are tired, yet at the same time, the more you divert from that, the more you get that huge fan base described earlier fighting for what they claim to love.

Thank god they didn't make a good old fashioned superman film that ended up performing poorly. Mark Waid being happy wouldn't have made up for the legions of people that would have a firm belief that DC/superman will never work cause of what he is.

Reboots tend to encounter some friction upon landing and with CBM's, most recently seen with cap/tdk/spidey/xmen, sequels tend to really soar. I have high hopes for their sequel, the more time they take putting it together the better shot it has at kicking butt.
 
Caught this on HBO today, and my opinion is largely the same: a pretty good film that suffered from Snyder's excesses, particularly the 3rd act. Violence and destruction are fine, but when there's so much, it loses it's potency. I still like Cavill and Adams' chemistry, and I enjoy the movie on the whole, but Snyder can't do drama.

Exactly. The cast is really phenomenal and there are some interesting, fresh ideas there but Snyder is a very limited director and the script wasn't good enough to make up for his shortcomings (or anyone else's).
 
Thing is, action is what everyone was screaming out for after SR. I think it was just impossible to guage what kind of action would get a good response from audiences and critics alike.

I don't remember all that many complaints about the smallville fight. I'd say that kinda action...

Keep things tangible, when you get to big it becomes surreal to the average person. Also, people didn't go into that fighting knowing just how impervious these characters were. By the midway point of the final battle, it was a bit different.

Flying fights between two flyers almost never work. Same as spidey vs another flyer. Keep it somewhat grounded(again smallville fight).
 
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Opinion will improve. I'm a Marvel fanboy and when I first heard news about Man of Steel and the suit changes I was vocal about not going to see it. However after a few good trailers I was as good as there. I think it's a ritual for me.

Transformers 2 "Nope, you won't get me this time Michael Bay!" Was there opening night.
X-men 3 "Yeah right I'm going to see that travesty!" There opening night.
BvS "Ben Affleck... and that Social Network dude..." I'll probably be there opening night.
 
Opinion will improve. I'm a Marvel fanboy and when I first heard news about Man of Steel and the suit changes I was vocal about not going to see it. However after a few good trailers I was as good as there. I think it's a ritual for me.

Transformers 2 "Nope, you won't get me this time Michael Bay!" Was there opening night.
X-men 3 "Yeah right I'm going to see that travesty!" There opening night.
BvS "Ben Affleck... and that Social Network dude..." I'll probably be there opening night.

Never-mind the initial negativity, you have a positive approach and you are honest.
 
My opinion of the film hasn't really changed that much. MOS has steady DVD sales. Maybe that indicates some improvement in terms of reception.
 
My opinion of the film hasn't really changed that much. MOS has steady DVD sales. Maybe that indicates some improvement in terms of reception.

Not that it is important or anything.. but, according to numbers.com, MOS has sold more DVDs and Blu Rays compared to IM 3.

Iron Man 3
Total Domestic Video Sales $72,759,387

http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Iron-Man-3#tab=summary

Man of Steel
Total Domestic Video Sales $95,974,916

http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Man-of-Steel#tab=summary
 
First let me start by saying that I really liked Man of Steel. It got me into reading Superman comics. I think the bulk of my expectations came from Hans Zimmer's soundtrack more than anything. For me I benefited from not having an exact idea of what "my perfect Superman movie" would be. All I knew is that I wanted it to not be Superman Returns and I wanted it to be a movie that could stand up to Batman.

That is the first problem. Following Batman. Universally loved character. He is like the rebel of Superheroes. I mean, don't get me wrong, I love the Bat, he is my personal favorite, but I am going to be as objective as possible here. The perception with Batman is that people can relate to him, which I find interesting because no one I know had their billionaire parents shot dead and had to overcome that, nor have they devoted their lives to serving justice, but I get it. He isn't an alien, he isn't a mutant, isn't a super soldier, not using a high-tech suit (though he does use high-tech gadgets). So you have basically the polar opposite of all of that in Man of Steel.

I put Superman in the Incredible Hulk class of really hard movies to pull off perfectly. There is still the crowd (Batman is victim to this crowd also) who LOVE the 70's version of Superman and this new, dark, "emo" as they would call it version just isn't what they know and love. Then you throw in the awful generalization that he is invulnerable to anything, overpowered, yadda, yadda, yadda and that is boring, and it would be if that's all we were served. I will even say about Superman Returns that we got more than that. Every character has to have a decent story. I think people don't even try to relate to Superman, but it's amazing there is just as much to relate to. He's an orphan who has to deal with fitting in, parental issues, general being a man issues. Then there's the debate of is the man really Clark Kent and Superman is his alter ego or is the man Superman and Clark Kent is his alter ego and that to me is interesting.

For me, Man of Steel is very similar to Captain America. Everyone I know personally minus my immediate family and best friend just did not care for "First Avenger". They find the character boring, too much of a boy scout especially in comparison to Iron Man (Iron Man/Captain America is Marvels Batman/Superman). In fact I am writing this because I have fought for First Avengers' status in Phase 1 for years and now all of the sudden people LOVE Captain America (convenient). So bottom line, I think that's what it takes. Man of Steel was the trial by fire, so to speak. It wasn't terrible by any means, most of the complaints were due to the destruction, which is bizarre to me but I think given time and the other movies coming out between them, it will give it a chance to breathe. I don't know if Man of Steel will ever truly get it's due, or what I think is it's due, but I definitely think Superman/Batman will be received far greater and when I say that, I want to specify that people will walk away liking Superman much, much better, if not outright loving him. This, of course, depends all in how it's written and it could be written terribly, but if it is an extension of Man of Steel, in the same vein, I think people are going to be warmed up to the character and really appreciate him and once that has happened if they go back and give Man of Steel a shot, they will enjoy it more.
 
To this day I still don't quite understand why people say there is "too much action" in this movie. The Avengers had many more action scenes than MoS and they were longer too. The Smallville and Metropolis fight scenes only lasted a few minutes each whereas the battle of New York alone was like 40 min.

I think people's real problem is the intensity of those scenes. They pack much more of an explosive punch than Avengers or Transformers. Also, let's be honest, eventough people don't want to admit it, what Supes did to Zod rubbed everybody the wrong way. People keep saying "no, its not about the neck snap," but truthfully that probably ruined the movie for a lot of fans and critics. If Supes had flown him into the negative zone or soemthing, i guarantee you would not be hearing such extreme vitriol towards the movie.

Its all a part of change. Snyder and Goyer made a very conscious decision to rock the boat and it worked. They could not afford to make a passeable, forgettable superman film, they had to do something bold to get people's attention and get people talking about the Man of Steel and it absolutely worked. I absolutely think in a few years, especially after BvS, people will look much kinder at this film and realize what it was doing.
 
Not that it is important or anything.. but, according to numbers.com, MOS has sold more DVDs and Blu Rays compared to IM 3.

Iron Man 3
Total Domestic Video Sales $72,759,387

http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Iron-Man-3#tab=summary

Man of Steel
Total Domestic Video Sales $95,974,916

http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Man-of-Steel#tab=summary

The man of steel is like Bayformers, lots of action and military, liked expecially by young people and with amazing DVD/ Blu-Ray sales, but disliked by many critics.
 
Not that it is important or anything.. but, according to numbers.com, MOS has sold more DVDs and Blu Rays compared to IM 3.

Iron Man 3
Total Domestic Video Sales $72,759,387

http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Iron-Man-3#tab=summary

Man of Steel
Total Domestic Video Sales $95,974,916

http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Man-of-Steel#tab=summary

now that's a better indicator if the so called general audience liked a movie or not. I mean will you buy a movie you didn't like?
 
The man of steel is like Bayformers, lots of action and military, liked expecially by young people and with amazing DVD/ Blu-Ray sales, but disliked by many critics.

Interesting that you bring up critics (By critics, I assume you mean the professional Top critics.)

Now, I hate to bring up the comparisons, but that is the only way I can put my point here.

A look at RT - Top Critic ratings -

Man of Steel
Average Rating: 6.2/10

Thor The Dark World
Average Rating: 5.4/10

Iron Man 2
Average Rating: 5.9/10

The Incredible Hulk
Average Rating: 5.8/10

Thor
Average Rating: 6.3/10

So, even though MOS was not well received by critics, still it scored better than Thor:TDW, TIH, IM 2 and it was just below the first Thor.


So, it was given reasonably positive ratings by Top Critics.
 
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Yep, it had around the same kind of reception as Transformers 1
 

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