Will Sucker Punch bombing affect Superman?

[Astrodust]

Quality is irrelevant, as is whether I have seen, like or not like the movie. What is relevant is the genre and how consumers of that genre spend their dollar. Look at how many bad comic book movies there are and the droves of fan boys who swear that they were great. Look at the huge debates even just here with fans offering a litany of reasons as to why these crap films are actually quality movies and/or adaptations and defend them to the end.

One only needs to tune into the SyFy Channel or take a quick headcount of the fans of Smallville to realize how low most people’s standards are within this sphere of entertainment when it comes to spending their dollars. Those horrible SyFy projects get green lit for a reason, and it ain’t to LOSE money.

If you just sit back and gauge things like this purely based on your personal taste and assign it to the rest of the world. You are going to miss the mark more times than not.

My point is and always has been, just to take a somewhat eoteric look at the term Flop and how silly it sometimes is considering the type of money that is being made on films like this. It was not really to debate anybody. It only took on a debate tone when individuals who maybe think a lil too highly of themselves, looked to personalize un-aimed comments and somehow make it about them.

Perhaps you need to see Sucker Punch before making such high claims about it. No? And trying to come across intelligent makes your post seem absurd by the way. It was a simple question.

 

[Dark Knight]

Quality is irrelevant, as is whether I have seen, like or not like the movie. What is relevant is the genre and how consumers of that genre spend their dollar. Look at how many bad comic book movies there are and the droves of fan boys who swear that they were great. Look at the huge debates even just here with fans offering a litany of reasons as to why these crap films are actually quality movies and/or adaptations and defend them to the end.

One only needs to tune into the SyFy Channel or take a quick headcount of the fans of Smallville to realize how low most people’s standards are within this sphere of entertainment when it comes to spending their dollars. Those horrible SyFy projects get green lit for a reason, and it ain’t to LOSE money.

If you just sit back and gauge things like this purely based on your personal taste and assign it to the rest of the world. You are going to miss the mark more times than not.

My point is and always has been, just to take a somewhat eoteric look at the term Flop and how silly it sometimes is considering the type of money that is being made on films like this. It was not really to debate anybody. It only took on a debate tone when individuals who maybe think a lil too highly of themselves, looked to personalize un-aimed comments and somehow make it about them.

Actually, you make some valid points. That still doesn't change the fact that SP was an underdeveloped concept and script. Howver, that is not going to matter with Superman. Sucker Punch and Superman are two completely different animals and Snyder isn't involved in the writing process for Man of Steel either.

This Supes film is a STUDIO collaboration, while Sucker Punch is a film where Snyder had carte blanche, which he will NOT have with this next Superman film.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

my friend think that Die Another Day is the best Bond film, Kane's See No Evil was good, the BloodRayne movies were great and that Johna Hex was fantastic...and in all reality all of those movies suck hard

 

[Denny67]

Perhaps you need to see Sucker Punch before making such high claims about it. No? And trying to come across intelligent makes your post seem absurd by the way. It was a simple question.

LOL... "come across intelligent?" Really... Really?

Absurd? Oh sweet irony.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

my friend think that Die Another Day is the best Bond film, Kane's See No Evil was good, the BloodRayne movies were great and that Johna Hex was fantastic...and in all reality all of those movies suck hard

When I went to see Die another Day, I'm sitting there for about 60% of the movie thinking this isn't bad so far, I wonder how they can ***** it up. Then all of a sudden the Invisible car Shows up, along with JB Snow boarding it up on half the nose cone of a missile, and a frigging Hercules plane on fire for like an eternity before they finally bail out, just to name three stinking turd like elements in this gigantic pile of cow dung. Oh! and that Horrendous Madonna title song!!

 

[Astrodust]

LOL... "come across intelligent?" Really... Really?

Absurd? Oh sweet irony.

The problem is that you are defending a movie you haven't seen. I'll tell you now Sucker Punch is a film that can change your view of Snyder. Try to stay on topic. Forming an opinion of a film you haven't seen is just lame. You are saying the film won't be a flop and will have a cult following based what cause its a Snyder film? How does that make any sense. As least see the movie if you are going to go to bat for it.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

When I went to see Die another Day, I'm sitting there for about 60% of the movie thinking this isn't bad so far, I wonder how they can ***** it up. Then all of a sudden the Invisible car Shows up, along with JB Snow boarding it up on half the nose cone of a missile, and a frigging Hercules plane on fire for like an eternity before they finally bail out, just to name three stinking turd like elements in this gigantic pile of cow dung. Oh! and that Horrendous Madonna title song!!

it was a pretty godawful movie to say the very least...

 

[Shabadoo]

When I went to see Die another Day, I'm sitting there for about 60% of the movie thinking this isn't bad so far, I wonder how they can ***** it up. Then all of a sudden the Invisible car Shows up, along with JB Snow boarding it up on half the nose cone of a missile, and a frigging Hercules plane on fire for like an eternity before they finally bail out, just to name three stinking turd like elements in this gigantic pile of cow dung. Oh! and that Horrendous Madonna title song!!

My eye twitches to this day whenever I hear that song.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

My eye twitches to this day whenever I hear that song.

For the longest time all it made me want to do Cry another day!

 

[Kal-El.9859]

please, can we let this movie die in whatever sort of peace it may have

 

[Shabadoo]

For the longest time all it made me want to do Cry another day!

Hahaha...

 

[Denny67]

The problem is that you are defending a movie you haven't seen. I'll tell you now Sucker Punch is a film that can change your view of Snyder. Try to stay on topic. Forming an opinion of a film you haven't seen is just lame. You are saying the film won't be a flop and will have a cult following based what cause its a Snyder film? How does that make any sense. As least see the movie if you are going to go to bat for it.

NO ... the problem is that your reading comprehension sucks, thus you think I am "defending a movie." If you go back and read rather than gloss, you will see how completely off base your argument is, and has been from the very beginning.

Think I am wrong? Feel free to go back, look for, and post a quote of me “defending" Sucker Punch in any way; or where I said that I DIDN’T see the movie.


I’ll be waiting...

 

[Octoberist]

The problem is that you are defending a movie you haven't seen. I'll tell you now Sucker Punch is a film that can change your view of Snyder. Try to stay on topic. Forming an opinion of a film you haven't seen is just lame. You are saying the film won't be a flop and will have a cult following based what cause its a Snyder film? How does that make any sense. As least see the movie if you are going to go to bat for it.

Wait a minute, so this entire time, Denny has never seen Sucker Punch? I though our debates were legit until Now. OMG. so all of his arguments for 'the film has been invalid?

 

[Denny67]

Wait a minute, so this entire time, Denny has never seen Sucker Punch? I though our debates were legit until Now. OMG. so all of his arguments for 'the film has been invalid?

I know right!?

Just one problem. I never said that I didn’t see the movie.

Story goes like this (easily verified btw):

At one point in our conversation I had stated that whether I had personally seen or liked the movie was irrelevant to the point I was making. From that he presumed I had not seen the film and went on to make that assumption the cornerstone of his little diatribe.

The context in which that statement was made was not really ambiguous or anything. So how he got that I haven’t seen the movie from what I posted is, well a little confusing, and kinda funny. I can only assume the mistake is rooted in either a lack of aptitude, or more likely effort.

YAY 4 da interwebz!

 

[Showtime]

I'm not sure why we are even still talking about Sucker Punch in the Superman forum. The movie is a bomb and we have exciting Superman news to discuss.

 

[Dark Knight]

I'm not sure why we are even still talking about Sucker Punch in the Superman forum. The movie is a bomb and we have exciting Superman news to discuss.

Agreed. If people want to discuss SP, then they should go to the Misc threads and talk about SP.

This thread should be closed and merged with the Misc Sucker Punch thread IMO.

 

[manofsteel4life]

I mean its not like Superman is coming out next week or something, we got a whole year or so.....plenty of time, and i dont think public will even know who Synder is anyway

 

[TruerToTheCore]

I don't think that Snyder's name is needed to promote a Superman movie.

Yes, Sucker Punch was really really bad. I'm totally disappointed by this mess. Not only the story, no, also the visuals and the action.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

It'll have absolutely no affect at all. Superman is, roughly, 2 years away. Sucker Punch will be forgotten in about a month, at least by the general audience. Most people wouldn't even know who Snyder is, let alone know that he directed both movies.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

Sucker Punch won't affect Superman in the least

 

[El Payaso]

I'm not sure why we are even still talking about Sucker Punch in the Superman forum. The movie is a bomb and we have exciting Superman news to discuss.

I think we used to have even a Superman hair curl thread. Everything Superman is able to be discussed here I think. I think the last movie of the next Superman movie director qualifies as we always talk about the directors through the movies they've made.

 

[Sabaoth]

According to deadline, Sucker Punch is hauling in a measly $6 mil this weekend, that's a 75% drop from the previous week and its already generating a buzz...if the numbers stick, it means that the movie has earned a place in the top 100 movies with the biggest second weekend drop of all time, which is not a good distinction to receive at all.
What that means for Superman fans is that once the numbers are out everywhere tomorrow, there's a good chance we may get another
Sunday casting announcement, as WB does damage control to divert attention away from SP.
Maybe we'll get the Viggo confirmation!

 

[KRIM]

Hah, yeah WB seems adamant on diverting any negative attention when they can. Releasing the WonderCon footage for GL was just done today, maybe we'll get some more for Supes tomorrow.

It's pretty amusing to see them play catch-up. It's nice that they're on their toes.