Civil War Crossbones

[Uskok]

If he survives the events of Cap 3, Rumlow could appear in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., maybe become Grant Ward's right-hand man.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Pretty darn disapopinted by this. But him self-destructing would be a decent end to him, I guess. But then who's going to be Zemo's right-hand man?

 

[Godzillasaurus]

^Probably nobody.

I know this is probably just a dream, but I hope that Zemo will be forced aside early-on as well, letting the true conflict in the story be the tension between the heroes. If you leave him in there as the main force that needs to be taken down, the climax will literally be a rehash of what we have seen too many times before: all of the Avengers hunting down one guy while fighting his army of disposable, useless mooks.

Remember the opening of AoU? The Avengers cut through Hydra like it was butter. If you have one antagonist who is not that much more physically powerful and unique than Red Skull, the climax will probably go as listed: Avengers unite, Avengers split and take down tons of henchmen made of paper, one lone Avengers tracks down Zemo and beats the f*** out of him for a few seconds while he tries to fight back but can’t before either killing him or having him arrested.

On the other hand, if the true final battle ends up being a huge war between both Avengers factions, then that is a new concept that the MCU has never included before, and it would be fresh while amazing at the same time.

 

[MadVillainy]

I don't think they'll kill off Crossbones.
MCU has killed off plenty villains but I think they would've just killed him in TWS if they didn't have more than an opening scene in mind for him. Now we might not see him again but I think they'll keep him alive

 

[CaptainWagner]

^Probably nobody.

I know this is probably just a dream, but I hope that Zemo will be forced aside early-on as well, letting the true conflict in the story be the tension between the heroes. If you leave him in there as the main force that needs to be taken down, the climax will literally be a rehash of what we have seen too many times before: all of the Avengers hunting down one guy while fighting his army of disposable, useless mooks.

Remember the opening of AoU? The Avengers cut through Hydra like it was butter. If you have one antagonist who is not that much more physically powerful and unique than Red Skull, the climax will probably go as listed: Avengers unite, Avengers split and take down tons of henchmen made of paper, one lone Avengers tracks down Zemo and beats the f*** out of him for a few seconds while he tries to fight back but can’t before either killing him or having him arrested.

On the other hand, if the true final battle ends up being a huge war between both Avengers factions, then that is a new concept that the MCU has never included before, and it would be fresh while amazing at the same time.

Thing is, Zemo is a team player, he always has been. He needs to have suborbinates.

And I fully expect that the movie will conclude with the dueling factions forced to unite against Zemo and what I hope will be a Masters of Evil team they've been keeping under wraps, made up of the likes of Abomination and Yellowjacket (if Cross makes it out of Ant-man alive). I highly doubt the final climax will be hero vs. hero.

 

[Godzillasaurus]

^If he has subordinates, that does not necessarily mean that they will be real significant antagonists in the likes of Crossbones; they could just be the same kinds of Hydra henchmen as in AoU.

And I fully expect that the movie will conclude with the dueling factions forced to unite against Zemo

Ugh, already been there done that! We need fresher ideas!

and what I hope will be a Masters of Evil team they've been keeping under wraps, made up of the likes of Abomination and Yellowjacket (if Cross makes it out of Ant-man alive).

Is this a rumor for this film or something? I haven't heard anything about this.

I highly doubt the final climax will be hero vs. hero.

Why so?

 

[ernesth100]

Masters of Evil would be great. Abomination, Zemo, Yellowjacket, Crossbones, Batroc, perhaps even a revived Redskull. Whiplash isn't dead either so he's a possibility.

I too am expecting the climax to be hero vs hero. It just makes sense with the Civil War title.

 

[RockSP]

Whiplash isn't dead either

Really? Where was that revealed? Coulda sworn he got blown up.

 

[MadVillainy]

Yeah Whiplash's butt is dead. He exploded. Straight exploded. No way he's alive.

I mean it's comic books so he can come back but he's dead

 

[ernesth100]

Wait, no I was thinking about Justin Hammer.

 

[Godzillasaurus]

Hammer? Pfft! Yea alright... (oh yea, ernesth100, I remember you from the Tohokingdom forum!)

I too am expecting the climax to be hero vs hero. It just makes sense with the Civil War title.

I am not expecting anything of that sort; I am simply stating that it would be nice if that was the case due to originality reasons, and the fact that it would be much more exciting to see than just a tiny-a$$, 30 second punch-out with Zemo.

 

[MbJ]

Really? Where was that revealed? Coulda sworn he got blown up.

When the movie first came out, Mickey Rourke said they intentionally left the ending ambiguous in case they wanted to bring him back (this was before Rourke made screaming "***** Marvel!!!" his favorite pastime).

If you notice, we never see him in the suit when the drones start exploding so they shot it intentionally so that you could assume he was dead, but if they ever changed their minds they could just say he ejected or slipped away before his suit blew up.

 

[Godzillasaurus]

^And then we see Coulson clearly get impaled straight through the back by Loki's scepter, with Marvel bringing him back without explanation. So maybe they might use ambiguity to bring villains like Whiplash back, but they sure as hell have no explanation for Coulson's return!

 

[sergeantbucky]

^And then we see Coulson clearly get impaled straight through the back by Loki's scepter, with Marvel bringing him back without explanation. So maybe they might use ambiguity to bring villains like Whiplash back, but they sure as hell have no explanation for Coulson's return!

Coulson's return was explained in Agents of SHIELD.

 

[Godzillasaurus]

Oh well I tried watching it once but it bored me to tears, sorry AoS fanboys...

 

[sergeantbucky]

Oh well I tried watching it once but it bored me to tears, sorry AoS fanboys...

I'm no AoS fangirl, but I've causally followed along with the general storylines.

Fury brought Coulson back using Project TAHITI, surgery paired with the injection of alien blood. They implanted false memories of Tahiti into Coulson's mind so he wouldn't remember his resurrection. That's the general gist.

 

[Raiden]

I'm no AoS fangirl, but I've causally followed along with the general storylines.

Fury brought Coulson back using Project TAHITI, surgery paired with the injection of alien blood. They implanted false memories of Tahiti into Coulson's mind so he wouldn't remember his resurrection. That's the general gist.

Project TAHITI was originally installed to bring a fallen Avenger back from the dead, which Fury decided to use it on Coulson. But the project has been destroyed in AOS so theoretically, it can't be used again (but anything's possible in MCU).

 

[Voltron]

And I fully expect that the movie will conclude with the dueling factions forced to unite against

Yes, that is very cliche. But if they do, as long as it's done with a spin and a fresh take.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Sometimes, there's nothing wrong with a cliche as long as it's fun and executed well.

 

[Godzillasaurus]

It's still cliche, but that is not the issue. The issue is that it has been done far too many times in Marvel movies alone already (past enemies teaming up to fight a greater evil):

-Spiderman 3
-Incredible Hulk
-Ironman 2 (sort of)
-Both Avengers movies (tension between the heroes)
To name a few...

Plus, Zemo does not seem to be particularly powerful anyways. More like Cap-level in terms of strength. Whereas having a huge war between te heroes in the climax would be a fresh idea. Sure, we have seen the heroes clash before a few times, but not in the form of a huge pivotal war at the end of the film

 

[Wade Garrett]

Would anyone be opposed to the idea of Zeno being a more political figure more in the vain of Alexander pierce but with a dash or redskull and Justin hammer thrown in. Real charismatic and goal oriented. And the climax battle would be against Zemo and his masters of evil except instead it's the pro reg avengers that have been manipulated into thinking they're fighting for the right side? That would be kind of a fresh take on it.

 

[Solaire]

Sometimes, there's nothing wrong with a cliche as long as it's fun and executed well.

Yup, as long as it's fun and executed well I'm good. I'm not someone who literally looks for negatives. If it happens I'm 100% sure I'll be smiling and super excited about the action and the characters I'm invested in rather than think that it's a cliche.

 

[warhorse78]

Then Crossbones is just the opening villain then. I'm cool with that

We don't know that. Movies are not filmed in sequential order as they will appear on screen.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Yes, that is very cliche. But if they do, as long as it's done with a spin and a fresh take.

Sometimes, there's nothing wrong with a cliche as long as it's fun and executed well.

Exactly.

The problem with having hero v. hero in the climax is that neither side wins. I don't believe Marvel is going to risk a climax where things come to a draw. Instead, they unite against a threat they can beat only together, but without resolving their differences. Friendships are still destroyed, Cap is still dead/retired, Tony is also likely retired, and the S.R.A. is hopefully still in place. This way, the good guys can still "win" against the bad guy, but without it coming off as a cliche "put aside our differences and hold hands in a circle singing Kumbaya".

 

[sergeantbucky]

We don't know that. Movies are not filmed in sequential order as they will appear on screen.

It has been heavily rumored that Crossbones kicks off the movie with an attack that spurs world governments to enact the SHRA, so it's very likely that, if he is indeed done filming, Grillo will only appear in the beginning of CW.