Ant-Man Dammit, Janet! The official Wasp thread

Just a reminder to everyone....this isn't the boy's junior high locker room.....keep the misogynistic comments out of here.

^^^

Anyway, I think Anna Kendrick might be closest to possibly being Wasp. She was short-listed for Cap 2 but was put out of the running for whatever reason - but we know Marvel keeps tabs on people they like. So, who knows? But if they go down the Asian route I'd like to see a fresh face.
 
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BTW that doesn't look too much like Jan in that comic panel.
It does look like Stephanie Szostak's character in Iron Man 3 though
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Hopefully just a baseless rumor. Janet and Hank need to be introduced at the same time, in their own movie. This would be a serious dropping of the ball. Not liking this one bit. :(
 
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^Exactly.
Stephanie Szostak as Wasp? Sure, I'm fine with that.
Wasp being introduced in IM3 before she's in Avengers or Ant-Man? Questionable.
Janet Van Dyne raping Tony Stark in her MCU debut? Awww, hell no.
 
That's what it looks like. I'm sure she's not actually raping him :o
They might have not shown Hank for it to be a surprise.
 
Maybe it's me, but it seems like people are more anxious to see Janet moreso than Hank.
 
Eh, I'm sure some are, but I'm excited for both personally.
 
Yeah, Spidey and other male comic heroes have proven to be bigger women abusers than Hank's one time slap.
 
I think Daredevil, Tony Stark and Logan all qualify as worse towards women than Hank Pym ever was. One backhanded slap when Hank was going through a personality conflict doesn't begin to equal the body count of women's corpses that piled up around those guys......sucks to be girlfriends of any of those.
 
And Spider-Man hit his wife too let's not forget, and also in Spider-Man 3.

Oh, and Wolverine hit Jean Grey a few times and kept telling her to react.
 
Maybe it's me, but it seems like people are more anxious to see Janet moreso than Hank.

I certainly am. Wasp actually grew as a character from her origins, whereas Hank started as a generic cipher and largely stayed that way when not having nervous breakdowns, beating his wife, or building evil death robots.
 
There is a difference between domestic violence and comic book fighting. Just saying.
 
There is a difference between domestic violence and comic book fighting. Just saying.

You did just say. Which is why you need to go back and look at Peter Parker's incidents of domestic violence.
 
You did just say. Which is why you need to go back and look at Peter Parker's incidents of domestic violence.

Ok. But I don't see how that has anything to do with what I originally said. I commented on Hank being a woman abuser/wife beater and people started jumping on me about Spider-Man being one too...Did I ever even mention Spidey in the first place? The topic of conversation was about Hank, therefore I replied with my opinion on Hank.
 
Ok. But I don't see how that has anything to do with what I originally said. I commented on Hank being a woman abuser/wife beater and people started jumping on me about Spider-Man being one too...Did I ever even mention Spidey in the first place? The topic of conversation was about Hank, therefore I replied with my opinion on Hank.

It's very relevant. The very point is you're calling Hank a woman abuser/wife beater when Spider-Man or others have done it themselves but you don't brand them as that, yet you single out Hank Pym with that label. You can't just look at Hank in a vacuum. Otherwise the argument could be made "who wants to see Spider-Man, that woman abuser, in a movie?"

And Hank himself in the "wife beater" story in question only lashed out in anger. It wasn't a deliberate or continued attack. It was more of a "get away from me" reaction when Jan was trying to help. Much in the same way that Peter Parker did it in Spider-Man 3.

The point in both Spider-Man 3 and in the Hank story was not to show that either of them have problems with woman abuse, but to bring them to a point where they hit rock bottom and strike out at the ones they love, bringing them to a startling realisation of what they've become and that they need help. You're missing the point of it if you think it's just to turn Hank into an abuser.
 
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Reed Richards has slapped Sue as well.

Reed was also written pretty sexist back in the sixties.

Janet is every bit as flawed as Hank in the early comics. Janet pushed Hank into a relationship knowing he wasn't over the death of his first wife, she openly flirted with the rest of the Avengers to make Hank jealous trying to get him to pay attention to her and took advantage of his mental state to get him to marry her.

There was actual reasons why hanks mental state was deteriorating in the comics. The gas from his formula experiments caused severe case of schizophrenia, he was captured and brainwashed twice. All these things happened before the infamous breakdown yet have been ignored or retcon to Hank being just crazy or a jerk.
I certainly am. Wasp actually grew as a character from her origins, whereas Hank started as a generic cipher and largely stayed that way when not having nervous breakdowns, beating his wife, or building evil death robots.

Hank has grown as a character. His gone from a guy with a cocky exterior yet insecure inside to a confident capable leader and teacher.

I find it funny people blame Hank for Ultron. Hank is a superhero so there is always that guilt mentality but he built an robot that accidentally gained A.I. It was no way intentioanal abd he had no way of knowing.

Its like blaming scientist Ernest Rutherford for nuclear weapons because he split the atom.
 
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The wife beater thing was accidental anyway.

Straight from Jim Shooter
Hank Pym was Not a Wife-Beater



Back in 1981 I was writing the Avengers. Hank Pym aka Yellowjacket was married to Janet Van Dyne aka The Wasp and things had not been going well for him for a long time.

Before I embarked on the storyline that led to the end of Hank Pym and Janet van Dyne’s marriage, I reread every single appearance of both characters. His history was largely a litany of failure, always changing guises and switching back and forth from research to hero-ing because he wasn’t succeeding at either. He was never the Avenger who saved the day at the end and usually the first knocked out or captured. His most notable “achievement” in the lab was creating Ultron. Meanwhile, his rich, beautiful wife succeeded in everything she tried. She was also always flitting around his shoulders, flirting, saying things to prop up his ego.

As I was developing the storyline, I discussed the potential pathology of their relationship with a psychologist who happened to be sitting next to me on a five-hour flight. The story made sense, he thought. I went ahead with it. During the time the story was running, I got a great deal of hate mail. It worried me enough to ask Stan what he thought. He said he got the same kind of mail in the ‘60’s regarding Peter Parker’s various romantic travails. He asked me how Avengers sales were doing. They were in fact, increasing by 10,000 copies per issue. Stan said that people obviously cared passionately about what was happening to Hank and Janet, as if they were real people. That’s the key. And he said, “Don’t worry about the mail.”

In that story (issue 213, I think), there is a scene in which Hank is supposed to have accidentally struck Jan while throwing his hands up in despair and frustration—making a sort of “get away from me” gesture while not looking at her. Bob Hall, who had been taught by John Buscema to always go for the most extreme action, turned that into a right cross! There was no time to have it redrawn, which, to this day has caused the tragic story of Hank Pym to be known as the “wife-beater” story.

When that issue came out, Bill Sienkiewicz came to me upset that I hadn’t asked him to draw it! He saw the intent right through Hall’s mistake, and was moved enough by the story to wish he’d had the chance to do it properly.

By the way, I was too busy to finish the story, so Roger Stern took over two-thirds of the way through. I thought he did a great job. He’s an excellent writer who doesn’t get enough credit.​
 
Great post Chambermusic! :up:

And let's not forget James Bond who has slapped many women around. Even the most "gentlemanly" of Bonds, Roger Moore, slapped Maud Adams around in TMWTGG. Not once but several times to get information out of her and not simply to bring her to her senses. And yet, audiences still flock to see this character who has a history of being a "woman abuser".
 
I don't condone Hanks actions but there is a double standard from some people. If a women has a mental breakdown or even got into an arguement and slapped her husband or boyfriend they wouldn't say anything about it.


The whole issue was resolved years ago anyway. Hank and Janet have dated other people, got back together and broken up atleast three time since then.

Everytime a writer tries to move on with characters another writer drags it back up again and tries to make it a plotline despite it not having been one for a while.

Its down to the characters being B-listers. When Ironman was a B-list character you couldn't go a couple issues without someone bringing up his an alcoholic. Demon in a Bottle defined his character for a small time like the fall of Hank Pym defines him. I'm glad Dan Slott and others in recent years have actually tried to advance the character of Hank.
 

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