Ant-Man Dammit, Janet! The official Wasp thread

[Mandon Knight]

LOL cast and crew leaving left right and center?

er yeah, what's the problem ? they've lost to date a director, two cast members and a seeming 'death wish' to shoot themselves in the foot with it all.

 

[marcvader]

So it has been confirmed by Michael Douglas that Janet Van Dyne passed in a tragic accident. Did not reveal how.

 

[DN91]

Let the speculation at the cause of death begin...

 

[marcvader]

I'm guessing she died accidentally because of something he did.

 

[chamber-music]

Death by Ant!

 

[Dasher10]

Death by Pimp Slap!

 

[<(o_o)>]

Death by flying to close to a bug zapper.

 

[cph9fa]

Death by shrinking to nothingness....

 

[Doppelganger]

huh, misread the thread, my bad.

 

[Loki882]

A more plausible explanation is that it has something to do with his Pym Particles research, and that that's why he gave up being Ant Man. Or maybe he screwed up while on a mission and that screw up got her killed, hence why he apparently doesn't think much of superheroes.

 

[Tymminator]

You know, I'm a huge comic fanboy and even bigger MCU fanboy, I can live with Pym being active in the 1960's and 1970's...but Janet better have been the 1st Wasp right there with him through most of that (I would bet Hope will be Wasp eventually).

If MS robs Janet of her legacy of being Wasp that would be horrible, it's the kind of action I could see FOX do and I would hate that they did it and I would not like it better if MS did it either.

I know it's different medias, different takes, different worlds, but I feel it's a disservice to the character of Janet and and also when you look at the bigger picture a disservice to the Avengers.

You can change things all the time, all the MS movies are not pure adaptions, but the spirit and essence of the character usually was still true, even if it was compiled from different versions (616,MC2,Ultimate), but still find a way to pay respect to that character you adapt. The biggest perceived misfires (even if overall the movie was a success) always came from when people felt a certain character didn't get their proper due.

They feel they have to kill her off before the movie even starts for story purposes? OK fine, my eyes will roll (I consider it a retro "women in refrigerators" type of deal) but they better not make it worse where she was never Wasp...if they take Janet's legacy of Wasp from her, at least for me personally that would absolutely suck.

Before nothing could stop me from watching this film regardless of who was coming and going, but if I find out for a fact Janet was never Wasp when Hank was Ant-man, THAT would ruin it for me.

I would never blast those who still would watch it and enjoy it, but this would be up there with FOX's new FF in my eyes as something I would have no interest in checking out.

 

[Loki882]

Except that we still no next to nothing about Fox's FF, so the hyperbolic hatred that's been spewed in it's direction is absurd to the point of being laughable. On the other hand, we do know details about this movie.

 

[Tymminator]

I don't care if you laugh dude. Laugh your guts out. It won't change a thing. I will just consider you as a person who laughs a lot.

What little I know I can't stand.

So how about this, respect that I don't want to see it and I will respect you do.

 

[Tony Stark]

So it has been confirmed by Michael Douglas that Janet Van Dyne passed in a tragic accident. Did not reveal how.

That's what he seemed to say in an interview. Then again in the same interview he said, he's never seen a script. So this is obviously from an early scriptment or treatment, likey by wright that's being used as the premise for the film.

This is going to be filmed much like IM1 was where they are creating stuff on the fly.

 

[cph9fa]

Before nothing could stop me from watching this film regardless of who was coming and going, but if I find out for a fact Janet was never Wasp when Hank was Ant-man, THAT would ruin it for me.

I would never blast those who still would watch it and enjoy it, but this would be up there with FOX's new FF in my eyes as something I would have no interest in checking out.

I get your frustration, but I'm curious about something, if I may ask a question... Given the premise of an older Hank/Jan, if you had to choose one of the following options (humor me, and assume you can only choose one), which would you rather have:

1) Jan and Hank were active together in the 60's, and while we may get a few short flashbacks, we'll probably never, in all honesty, see them in a solo film, or get them into the rest of the MCU.

or,

2) "Hope" is a younger, currently-active Wasp (who happens to be a similar character to the 616 Wasp, in all but name and relation to Pym), but who has potential for appearing in future sequels, or anywhere else in the MCU.

Because as I see it (1) is closing a door to future stories, while (2) is leaving that door open.

Edit: Just to be clear -- I'm not denying the possibility that both could be true (and that could be neat), but if I had to pick just one or the other, my preference would be for (2).

 

[Tymminator]

I get your frustration, but I'm curious about something, if I may ask a question... Given the premise of an older Hank/Jan, if you had to choose one of the following options (humor me, and assume you can only choose one), which would you rather have:

1) Jan and Hank were active together in the 60's, and while we may get a few short flashbacks, we'll probably never, in all honesty, see them in a solo film, or get them into the rest of the MCU.

or,

2) "Hope" is a younger, currently-active Wasp (who happens to be a similar character to the 616 Wasp, in all but name and relation to Pym), but who has potential for appearing in future sequels, or anywhere else in the MCU.

Because as I see it (1) is closing a door to future stories, while (2) is leaving that door open.

Edit: Just to be clear -- I'm not denying the possibility that both could be true (and that could be neat), but if I had to pick just one or the other, my preference would be for (2).

I hear you.

Gun to my head, I would pick 2) as well, but I would be most happy if they established Janet Wasp #1 and Hope her legacy as Wasp #2.

Hank and Janet in the 60's and 70's opens up cool flashbacks at least that one could potentially use in the future.

 

[Majik1387]

Douglas said a tragic personal accident happens; a death of Janet is not confirmed. Just saying.

 

[chamber-music]

 

[cherokeesam]

Let the speculation at the cause of death begin...

Hank shrunk her to the size of a wasp and swatted her with a backhand pimpslap.

I'd seriously hazard a guess that it *did* involve Janet shrinking (voluntarily or involuntarily) and getting killed, either accidentally (easy enough to do when you're the size of a wasp) or on purpose (that nasty ol' Darren Cross).

It would explain why Hank would hang up the suit and refuse to ever use it again. Hank would probably blame himself for her death, and so would Hope.

 

[DN91]

Perhaps it's one of those "never found the body" deaths, which could open the door for Janet showing up in a future film/

 

[RickCoronel]

That's possible, maybe she got stuck in the microverse and Pym thought she was dead. Then we get Janet later after Hope becomes the 2nd Wasp.

 

[<(o_o)>]

Douglas said a tragic personal accident happens; a death of Janet is not confirmed. Just saying.

Maybe it was also because of the death of his son Henry Pym Jr that caused Pym Sr. to give up being Ant-Man.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Any chance that the film makes Hank and Janet superheroes in the 1960's under Howard Stark?

 

[<(o_o)>]

Any chance that the film makes Hank and Janet superheroes in the 1960's under Howard Stark?

There's no way of knowing until the movie comes out. A more thought out movie would have been better in the long run but Marvel is salvaging what they can & going with it as is.

 

[JPJappic]

Douglas said a tragic personal accident happens; a death of Janet is not confirmed. Just saying.

^^^ Pretty much this.

I think people are misinterpreting what he said.

"But unfortunately during this process, a tragic personal accident happened with my wife, my daughter, Evangeline, Hope. So I’ve had to pass my powers and strengths onto a mentor."

I really think that Michael got mixed up with what he was saying. Why would he even mention wife and daughter along the same lines as Evangeline Lily / Hope Pym when he's his daughter? My take on this is that something happens to Hope which forces him to give up his mantle of Ant-Man to Scott Lang (whether it's temporary or not who knows). Maybe he needs to stay behind to make sure his daughter is okay and therefore he can't do what Scott Lang needs to do at the same time.

I almost wonder if Janet was/is supposed to be in Avengers 2, and that she was also supposed to be in Ant-Man.. and so because she was being used in A2, it messed things up with Ant-Man which was where all the breakdown story-wise was starting to happen.