Daniel Craig confirmed as new James Bond

Tojo said:
A man who has collected Batman comics since 1939 is realer than a 14yr old boy who's read half of Hush Volume 1 because he liked Jim Lee's art :o

Your taking an obtuse view of it,there are fans in their 30's that have watched all the Bond movies over and over who are just as much a fan as the guy whose read all the books

neobido9999 said:
it makes you a fan of mostly crap things

This is a moronic arrogant statement
 
Kevin Roegele said:
If there's one most embarassing thing that fanboys do, it's claim others aren't as 'proper' fans as they are. It makes me cringe.

So true:up:
 
Look, it really doesn't matter wether you think my statement about whatever is cringeworthy. Read regwec's last post and weep.

Someone who has watched every Bond film 30 times over, apart from needing to find something better to do, is still not even a real Bond fan. He's just a fan of a watered down piece of pop culture. Now i still really love the Bond films, they're great, but i also realise that it's not the true vision of the man who created it.
 
Tojo said:
Look, it really doesn't matter wether you think my statement about whatever is cringeworthy. Read regwec's last post and weep.

I read it and it still doesn't make the movie fans any less real

Someone who has watched every Bond film 30 times over, apart from needing to find something better to do, is still not even a real Bond fan. He's just a fan of a watered down piece of pop culture. Now i still really love the Bond films, they're great, but i also realise that it's not the true vision of the man who created it.


We might as well stop this now after that ridiculous statement,oh and BTW im a huge fan of both but i don't feel superior to any strictly movie fan
 
hunter rider said:
We might as well stop this now after that ridiculous statement,oh and BTW im a huge fan of both but i don't feel superior to any strictly movie fan

I never said i'm superior. I just think that people who talk about what Bond is and what he's not and how the movie franchise will be ruined because Casino Royale features a more down to earth tone(or whatever) when they haven't read a book need to ****.

I'm not referring to Everyman here specifically. I'm a member of the Mi6 boards and there are tons of Brosnan baby boomers who think they know what they're talking about. Casino Royale, imo, is a really good opportunity to pay homage to the source material in a truthful and honest way and do something that has hasn't really been done before.
 
Tojo said:
I never said i'm superior. I just think that people who talk about what Bond is and what he's not and how the movie franchise will be ruined because Casino Royale features a more down to earth tone(or whatever) when they haven't read a book need to ****.

I'm not referring to Everyman here specifically. I'm a member of the Mi6 boards and there are tons of Brosnan baby boomers who think they know what they're talking about. Casino Royale, imo, is a really good opportunity to pay homage to the source material in a truthful and honest way and do something that has hasn't really been done before.
i understand your purism Tojo, and of the most part i'm relieved that there are some folks who still value the origins of characters, but maybe we should reserve these arguments when some dumbarse pokes fun at Casino Royal for being less "Bond-ish" comapred to the other films, which at this point in time, no one can tell, since not a single frame of film has been shot yet.
 
regwec said:
Just for the hall of it, here is another "official" shot of Craig from Eon, that I do not think has been posted. Apologies if it has.
daniel_craig_4.jpg


If Craig appears like this on screen, then I cannot imagine better aesthetic casting.

I think he looks a bit effeminate in that one.
 
JLBats said:
Frankly, it does. If someone on the street claims to be a fan of Batman because he's seen the movies, how would you feel as a reader of the comics?

But the Batman franchise has been movies successes for not as long as the James Bond franchise, and it was devoid of continuity. Besides, while the books had afficionados before the movies, Bond became a cultural phenomenon with a very wide audience with the movies, not the novels.
 
Tojo said:
I never said i'm superior. I just think that people who talk about what Bond is and what he's not and how the movie franchise will be ruined because Casino Royale features a more down to earth tone(or whatever) when they haven't read a book need to ****.

Most arent saying the down to earth tone or more realistic approach are going to ruin i they are saying a Bond who looks like Craig will

I'm not referring to Everyman here specifically. I'm a member of the Mi6 boards and there are tons of Brosnan baby boomers who think they know what they're talking about. Casino Royale, imo, is a really good opportunity to pay homage to the source material in a truthful and honest way and do something that has hasn't really been done before.

I think if you get it as close to the books as From Russia With Love that is the best you can hope for,pinning your hopes on this being anymore faithfull than the early Connery movies at best is unwise
 
Everyman said:
I think he looks a bit effeminate in that one.

I think he looks like a thug. So that makes him an effeminate thug I guess LOL.

I want a more physical James Bond. Someone who can actually kick butt and not punch like a femme. I'd like to see Bond fight more like the way Jason Statham does in The Transporter (BTW I'm NOT suggesting Statham as Bond, he'd be aweful). But I don't want a thuggy looking Bond, and I don't want one that looks effeminate either. Craig is definately a dissapointing choice to me. :(
 
"I don't even know what 'Ad Hominem' and 'Falacious' means :confused:"

Ad hominem: you attack the eprson and not the argument.

"In any case, i wasn't caricaturing anything. You were the one who used the words re-start, re-boot and prequel, none of which, perhaps for the exception of 'prequel', can be used for this film.""

You said that I probably wanted big action, explosions, etc. I quote: "We'll still see big explosions and bond kicking ass, which i assume is what you're most interested in." Therefore, it was an ad hominem argument, based on fallacious assumptions.



"Well what are you so bloody worried about then? I can't understand why you think seeing a Casino Royale type Bond will ruin the character forever."

I am worried about a team that considered casting a Croatian as Bond, and a 22 years old boy. Which also considered bringing back Brosnan and ditching this "prequel" idea that they were so found of to get the franchise back on solid ground. I am worried about a team that then said they wanted a 28 eyars old Bond, and that previously said that they were going back to the essential, authentic Bond when they made Die Another Day. A team that considered making a Jinx spin-off.

"To be honest, he isn't entirely that different from post Casino Royale Bond."

Yes, but we know Bond as an established character, and for forty years. I am nto saying it cannot work, but there are risks, such as confusing the audiences, or messing even more with continuity.

"This film is going to be grittier, which means one step forward to the real Bond, which means more character."

They sad DAD was going to be grittier.

"We still see a drinking, smoking, womanising, ruthless killer of a man who likes Golf. He is an established 00 Agent in CR, just like he is in Dr.No, Thunderball etc. The noly difference is that he falls in love, it goes wrong and he becomes even harder than he was before. It's not Bond Begins. In the novel, this is about his 3rd yr in the Service. I don't see the problem."

We don't know yet how it will be developed in the movie.

"Even if it was a re-boot, do you think this will ruin an already dwindling franchise? In financial terms, the franchise is as strong as ever, certainly, but if audiences are made to watch crap like DAD for longer then that'll drop away. After some crap films Batman re-booted, and that worked wonders and gave credibility to the franchise. "

The Batman franchise didn't make as many films and the Bond movies, and it wasn't as much of a phenomenon as a whole.

"I'm not a connaisseur and i didn't invent anything. I replied to that one post of yours without distorting a single piece of it."

You DID say I wanted stupid one liners and dumb action. That was being intellectually dishonest to try to destroy my argumentation.
 
Timstuff said:
I think he looks like a thug. So that makes him an effeminate thug I guess LOL.

I want a more physical James Bond. Someone who can actually kick butt and not punch like a femme. I'd like to see Bond fight more like the way Jason Statham does in The Transporter (BTW I'm NOT suggesting Statham as Bond, he'd be aweful). But I don't want a thuggy looking Bond, and I don't want one that looks effeminate either. Craig is definately a dissapointing choice to me. :(
No one really fights like Statham does,Guys who are trained killers like Bond,Bauer etc take ppl out brutally and efficiently.
 
Timstuff said:
I think he looks like a thug. So that makes him an effeminate thug I guess LOL.

I want a more physical James Bond. Someone who can actually kick butt and not punch like a femme. I'd like to see Bond fight more like the way Jason Statham does in The Transporter (BTW I'm NOT suggesting Statham as Bond, he'd be aweful). But I don't want a thuggy looking Bond, and I don't want one that looks effeminate either. Craig is definately a dissapointing choice to me. :(

You don't want James Bond. :o :down

Oh, and I've seen a lot of the Bond movies, but I've never read a Bond novel. Guess that means I'm not a Bond fan...f**kers. :(
 
I'm very open minded when it comes to things, but EVEN I did a double take on Daniel Craig. My girlfriend mentioned that Daniel looked 'old'. Then my brother said he looked 'old'. Even my mom. Then my friends and co-workers. Mind you, this news was everywhere, so even the non-fans had their take on Craig.

Like what I said before, I don't think that Craig will be a terrible James Bond. Hell, he can be the best. But I don't think he'll be as accepted as Brosnan, just for the materialistic fact that Craig is not your traditional good looking guy...something that the so-called mainstream is basing Craig on thus far.

Is Craig my fav pic? No, I would rather go with Clive Owen, Gerald Butler or Christian Bale. BUT I'M GIVING CRAIG A FAIR SHAKE AT IT. Now I'm just worried about the screenplay. I hope that Haggis can doctor it up!
 
It seems that some of you missed the bullseye :

Returning to the original materia is an excellent thing. I like dalton's movie more than moore's.

But there is e strong problem : In the Bond Franchise, You cannot change drastically the tone AND the actor.

They did it once, and that was " On Her Majesty's Secret Service ". The result ? A major flop and the end of Lazenby's carreer.

Was Lazenby so bad ? No, he was a decent Bond but he couldn't compete with the previous who was so much more charismatic and established.

Lazenby had to play in the most emotionnal and difficult Bond and to be Connery's direct successor.

the tragic end of the movie, so different from the other Bond movie finished the job : OHMSS was a major flop

I don't want to be rude, but I don't think that the end of Casino Royale is really a very happy end... ( Vesper dead, Bond in hospital after having suffered torture... )

They should better stay with Brosnan ( who wanted a Bond true to the book ) to not dissappoint the public ( A Craig looks As old, and even older, than Brosnan, wtf ???? )

And there's the wildcard : the british press. They stayed neutral with Moore, Dalton or Brosnan but lynched Lazenby.
And it seems that the " James Bland " thing isn't very nice... Everything seems to be like in 1969...
 
I blame it all on the Roger Moore days. With the exception of live and let die and for your eyes only (which was, allegedly, written with Timnothy Dalton in mind), I personally find think that the Moore bond films are where the slide into Comic Action films comes from. IMO, they tried to rectify this with the second Dalton film, but lost the balance too far the other way. i think the reason so many look at Goldeneye so fondly(and because of this, also judge Brosnan as a close second to connery in the who is the best Bond stakes), is because they got the balance right..a similar balance was hit in Goldfinger as well. Some gadgetry, the odd one liner,lovely set pieces, and plenty of grit too. Gone too far in DAD, lets hope that they dont lean to far toweards simplicity in CR.
 
The Sage said:
Oh, and I've seen a lot of the Bond movies, but I've never read a Bond novel. Guess that means I'm not a Bond fan...f**kers. :(

Yes, you are a fan. A Bond movie fan. Which isn't the purest and truest vision of Bond. It also means you have no knowledge of the original creators intent.

Nothing wrong with that of course. you could easily say that you are not a real fan 'the true James Bond', while i am not a real fan of 'the camp, limited, shallow, watered down pop culture James Bond'.

See, works both ways :)
 
hunter rider said:
No one really fights like Statham does,Guys who are trained killers like Bond,Bauer etc take ppl out brutally and efficiently.

Doesn't Stratham fight with martial arts in Transporter?


Anyway, Bond is an expert in boxing etc, and hand to hand combat he would have learned in his life even before the secret service. He's alway going to be a dirty fighter. Well he is in practically every movie.

But if he starts using martial arts i will cry.
 
well, technically, Bond learned a lot of things in martal arts from tiger Tanaka ( both in the movie and the book ( whitch is veru different ) " you only live twice " )

But I agree, Changing his fighting style suddenly is stupid
 
regwec said:
This is definately true. The only villains we've seen more than once in Bond films are Blofeld and Jaws (and he only appeared twice). Jaws is still alive in the franchise's continuity, and could easily make a return. Scaramanga took a bullet, but had one of the least climatic and convincing death scenes in any Bond movie. He could make a return. Doctor No supposedly died by sliding down a ladder. That simply won't do. We could have Doctor No reappear and attempt to reboot SPECTRE. I'd love that.


Err, if I remember correctly, dr no fell into that chemical crap which was on some sort of rig that got blown up. Dr.No is as good as dead.
 
the gael said:
well, technically, Bond learned a lot of things in martal arts from tiger Tanaka ( both in the movie and the book ( whitch is veru different ) " you only live twice " )

But I agree, Changing his fighting style suddenly is stupid

Yah but the way he uses it is very reserved, if ya know what i mean. Can you imagine Bond doing a flying kick?
 
Bond expressed some skill in Judo in Dr.No (just before his "driver" took the cyanide)
 
Everyman said:
I think he looks a bit effeminate in that one.
No, he doesn't. You can say whatever you like about Craig, but his features are most certainly not feminine.
 

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