Justice League Danny Elfman Scoring Justice League - Part 1

[Mindreaper21]

BvS Warehouse Fight Scene (Re-Edit, Batman 1989 Rescore)

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You see? There's always going to be some video on youtube where the music is swapped. The music doesn't even fit Ben's Batman.

 

[Mandon Knight]

You see? There's always going to be some video on youtube where the music is swapped. The music doesn't even fit Ben's Batman.

By god, that's a hideous mix.....

 

[Mike_D202]

that was a pretty crappy mix, music is all about timing. Just because that mix is bad it doesn't mean that Elfman's score "doesn't fit Ben's Batman."

 

[DeadPresident]

Yeah, context is important.

That said, that theme is way too upbeat and energetic in certain parts to fit the Snyderverse Batman, or at the very least anything in BvS.

 

[Mindreaper21]

It's not about the mix, it's about the expression. If Ben's Batman was as comical as he is dark, then maybe, because Elfman's theme is dark and comical. That's if the exact theme is used as if Elfman copied and pasted it in. Though, a different version of the theme that actually expresses Ben's Batman could work.

 

[Greens]

Those videos aren't proof of anything. They just took a track and slapped it onto a scene. The composer scores TO the movie.

 

[DarkKnight]

I for one don't mind hearing the Elfman Batman theme and Williams Superman theme. Besides, its not like Elfman is going to copy and paste it from Batman 1989 into Justice League, it will be similar buy yet different. That's already apparent based on his comments and the snips we've heard from the "friends and foes" score.
I personally wouldn't mind never hearing the BvS Batman theme again, it was literally nothing but "Baa Ba Ba Ba Ba Baaa BAAAAAA" over and over again.
I agree with Elfman when he said "The people at DC are starting to understand we’ve got these iconic bits from our past and that’s part of us, that’s part of our heritage — we shouldn’t run away from that."
In my opinion that is indeed one thing WB/DC has that Marvel does not. These themes have become Iconic, why not use it, again, similar yet different, has a new twist to it and not a copy and paste from 1989.
I do however hope and I firmly do believe that the Man of Steel theme will still be present. We've heard it in two films, we've heard bits of it in the trailer and in my opinion the MOS theme is absolute perfection, touching and inspiring and has become just as iconic as the Williams score. I know not everyone would agree, but that's how I feel.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I'm not jazzed about Elfman recycling old stuff, but let's see it properly in context first before saying it won't fit.

 

[matt47]

I'd like to see someone try yelling that in a fully packed Star Wars theater lol.

That's a totally different situation. Those movies are still in the same universe. If they were to reboot star wars...god forbid....I'd want them to change up the music.

 

[matt47]

https://youtu.be/Ea0r7x0piOg

15:30

 

[Greens]

Snyder's Kermit voice always surprises me for a second.

 

[Consona]

https://youtu.be/Ea0r7x0piOg

15:30

Amen.

He's not going to convince me that we're never going to convince each other.

epic

It's not about convincing each other, it's that it helps you realize some new things.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Snyder's Kermit voice always surprises me for a second.

Ruffalo should play Zack in a biopic.


Is it weird that I'm more excited to hear the old Batman theme than the classic Superman theme?

 

[Greens]

Is it weird that I'm more excited to hear the old Batman theme than the classic Superman theme?

Not at all. The JW theme is great but the 89 theme is more important to me on a personal level.

 

[BH/HHH]

Ruffalo should play Zack in a biopic.


Is it weird that I'm more excited to hear the old Batman theme than the classic Superman theme?

Well it’s been a lot longer since we heard the Elfman theme.

 

[DarkKnight]

Well it’s been a lot longer since we heard the Elfman theme.

Right! I'll never forget the chills I got when going to see Superman Returns in theater and the Williams score hits and the opening flying in like the old Donner/Reeve films.
Admittingly that film got alot wrong but yet still has some really great memories therefore I still watch it occasionally.

 

[Cats]

That's a totally different situation. Those movies are still in the same universe.

Tom Cruise's MI movies are in a different universe from the original 60s tv series and he unashamedly rides his movies on the ever so popular theme. Am pretty sure no one will have it any other way. Same goes for the Terminator franchise, or Indiana Jones, or James Bond, or Hawaii Five-O. They'd be less of what they first brought to the big screen with an "updated" song. Good, catchy themes transcend time, and should transcend reboots imho. I'm still sad Spiderman never carried forward its theme from the Sam Raimi series. Sure, the stories weren't perfect, but a good theme helps the audiences forgive more easily :P

 

[Da-Scribe]

You guys are never gonna convince each other on this topic. You can cite Bond and MI all you want, but the folks who didn't wanna hear the old themes were plenty happy with the new themes they'd already gotten. And on the flip side, the people who love the old themes have way too much emotional investment in them to care about what Zimmer or Junkie were cooking up.

Best to just let it go, even though that will never happen.

 

[MbJ]

Tom Cruise's MI movies are in a different universe from the original 60s tv series and he unashamedly rides his movies on the ever so popular theme. Am pretty sure no one will have it any other way. Same goes for the Terminator franchise, or Indiana Jones, or James Bond, or Hawaii Five-O. They'd be less of what they first brought to the big screen with an "updated" song. Good, catchy themes transcend time, and should transcend reboots imho. I'm still sad Spiderman never carried forward its theme from the Sam Raimi series. Sure, the stories weren't perfect, but a good theme helps the audiences forgive more easily :P

And as a good example of this the score for Homecoming still used the 60's Spider-Man TV show theme for the opening. An iconic theme is an iconic theme.

 

[Cats]

You guys are never gonna convince each other on this topic. You can cite Bond and MI all you want, but the folks who didn't wanna hear the old themes were plenty happy with the new themes they'd already gotten. And on the flip side, the people who love the old themes have way too much emotional investment in them to care about what Zimmer or Junkie were cooking up.

Best to just let it go, even though that will never happen.

I don't know about the others, but I'm certainly not trying to convince anyone to my viewpoint. There's a beauty in appreciating that we're not of a hive mind, and that all sides can talk to each other about each's own viewpoint. Isn't that what the forum was set up for in the first place?

I see where people are coming from in regards to Zimmer and Junke's tunes, I appreciate their music as well and completely understand why a fan of their work would be afraid that the DCEU might be going to course correct in terms of orchestral style. I've always been a fan of the more fantastical/quirky/gothic style that Elfman and Burton have produced over the years, and recognize that it might not exactly gel with Snyder's visuals. But I think with a little creativity it can work, and WB CAN please everyone, both fans of the new and fans of the old. After all, we're talking about a 78 year old character here, spanning almost every form of media known to man. Everyone will want to see "their" own idea of Batman in one form or another on the big screen. There's no wrong or right here, and sometimes we have to just shrug it off and be glad that at least we have some form of Batman on the big screen - and now we even have the entire Justice League.

Be happy as a fan!

 

[Da-Scribe]

I don't know about the others, but I'm certainly not trying to convince anyone to my viewpoint. There's a beauty in appreciating that we're not of a hive mind, and that all sides can talk to each other about each's own viewpoint. Isn't that what the forum was set up for in the first place?

I see where people are coming from in regards to Zimmer and Junke's tunes, I appreciate their music as well and completely understand why a fan of their work would be afraid that the DCEU might be going to course correct in terms of orchestral style. I've always been a fan of the more fantastical/quirky/gothic style that Elfman and Burton have produced over the years, and recognize that it might not exactly gel with Snyder's visuals. But I think with a little creativity it can work, and WB CAN please everyone, both fans of the new and fans of the old. After all, we're talking about a 78 year old character here, spanning almost every form of media known to man. Everyone will want to see "their" own idea of Batman in one form or another on the big screen. There's no wrong or right here, and sometimes we have to just shrug it off and be glad that at least we have some form of Batman on the big screen - and now we even have the entire Justice League.

Be happy as a fan!

No lies detected here. Wish we all had this mindset. The Hype would be a far happier place haha.

 

[fancyarcher]

Btw going a bit off-topic here, but now that Elfman is part of the DCEU, I wonder if they'll get him to score the Gotham City Sirens movie. And if he's bringing back the theme to Batman '89, does that mean Catwoman's theme gets to return too? Because that's a pretty memorable tune as well. She hasn't gotten a good theme since Batman Returns.

Well he largely worked on Justice League because Whedon was directing it, so I doubt he'd be involved with Gotham City Sirens. That being said, I'd love to see him revisit his Catwoman theme eventually. It fits the character so well, so moody, so mischievous etc...

 

[TheScarecrow]

You see? There's always going to be some video on youtube where the music is swapped. The music doesn't even fit Ben's Batman.

A theme is different to a score.

Elfman is not putting B89's score over Justice League. A score is crafted individually for each movie. A theme is a particular motif which is spliced into a score to represent a character.

The humorous elements (and most of the soundtrack above), picks up heavily on Elfman's Joker theme.

This is his Batman theme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JtDHoK9KL8

It's also been pointed out that Batman is going to be "lighter", more humourous and less violent in JL - so perhaps comparison to him brutalising people in BvS isn't the best comparison.

 

[fancyarcher]

Atleast I hope he updates his Batman theme for this modern iteration and doesnt just copy paste his old theme...

I'm sure Elfman will update his theme. I just hope he doesn't "modernize" it too much.

 

[Mindreaper21]

A theme is different to a score.

Elfman is not putting B89's score over Justice League. A score is crafted individually for each movie. A theme is a particular motif which is spliced into a score to represent a character.

The humorous elements (and most of the soundtrack above), picks up heavily on Elfman's Joker theme.

This is his Batman theme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JtDHoK9KL8

It's also been pointed out that Batman is going to be "lighter", more humourous and less violent in JL - so perhaps comparison to him brutalising people in BvS isn't the best comparison.

You seriously think I don't know what the Batman theme is?

A theme is intro music, be it to a particular character or the film/show itself. Similar to a motif, because the theme uses it, but not the same.

Anyhow, it's just how it was said that had me worried, because it's not like it hasn't been done before. Like the new Power Rangers movie for example.

Also, Elfman said that Aquaman and Cyborg would get a motif instead of a theme. I can't remember what he said about Flash though.