Justice League Danny Elfman Scoring Justice League - Part 1

[Rorschach2012]

Trav is in the House!

Anti-TDKRises bros unite!

TDKR is by far the worst. The only one where I think Nolan made some big mistakes (Robin and the ending)

 

[Legendver2]

The more im listening to these re-scores of 89 theme to TDKT and these new whimsical Elfman scores for the clips, the more I hate it It just feels too old school and...89 for something so modern with visuals like these. Even his score on Avengers wasn't this bad and out of place. And them xylophones, like wtf. As Da-Scribe said, nostalgia is a helluva drug.

 

[BH/HHH]

TDKR is by far the worst. The only one where I think Nolan made some big mistakes (Robin and the ending)

I agree but I also still think it’s a good movie. Just a film I have issues with unlike the first two.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

If Elfman had said he was going to use the DCAU themes in Justice League(BTAS, STAS, JL), would it have inspired the same amount of animosity? Because I always felt like DC fans were more open to references and connections to the animated shows than the pre-Nolan live action movies.

The more im listening to these re-scores of 89 theme to TDKT and these new whimsical Elfman scores for the clips, the more I hate it It just feels too old school and...89 for something so modern with visuals like these. Even his score on Avengers wasn't this bad and out of place. And them xylophones, like wtf. As Da-Scribe said, nostalgia is a helluva drug.

I really don't appreciate the insinuation that the only reason people like the old Batman and Superman movies and their scores is nostalgia. Plus, I am so over how overrated the DCEU is among its fans, how it's treated as the ultimate in drama, modernness, grittiness, seriousness, and all that crap, and how everything before it(except Nolan, of course) is too cheesy, too whimsical, too dated, blah blah blah. The DCEU in general really is not the be all, end all of superhero movies and WB could do much better.

 

[Marvolo]

This one:



Especially the last two minutes.

Hans Zimmer's score is great in that chase scene. First time I watched that scene in theaters was so exhilarating and it's still exhilarating. I wouldn't want to replace the score in that scene with anything from Elfman.

 

[Smilodon]

This one:



Especially the last two minutes.

I've seen that video a bajillion times since BvS more or less came out because I thought Batfleck would really work with Elfman's OG theme, particularly 'Descent into Mystery' - it's such a fabulous piece. Elfman would get even more points from me if he plays it during a big Batman moment.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

This is Elfman we are talking about....

Funny, when you compare the Batman Returns score to Batman, it's anything but a copy and paste. I mean, the Batman theme is still there, but arranged differently, and there are all sorts of new themes to go along with it as well as new action cues. However, you look at the Zimmer/Howard scores of TDK and TDKR and there are a lot of themes and cues from Begins that were reused(like the monorail fight track from Begins being reused when Talia crashes the truck in Rises).

Now I know where you were going with that, yes, Elfman's style can be identified a mile away. Why's his music always gotta be so goshdarn SILLY? But that can be said for a lot of composers, some of the best really. Williams scores are almost instantly identifiable in many of his films and have recurring elements, so does Goldsmith, Silvestri(the Predator movies sound very Back to the Future at times), and so on. But at the same time, I don't think he's given enough credit for his versatility. They say his style isn't innovative or intricate enough compared to Zimmer and Junkie XL, then in the same breath, people complain about how weird and whimsical his stuff is. They want innovation, but they don't want anything weird. And that in of itself is a big problem with superhero and comic book fans. They want so badly for their favorite stories to be taken seriously even though superheroes are supposed to be odd and unusual.

 

[titansupes]

Funny, when you compare the Batman Returns score to Batman, it's anything but a copy and paste. I mean, the Batman theme is still there, but arranged differently, and there are all sorts of new themes to go along with it as well as new action cues. However, you look at the Zimmer/Howard scores of TDK and TDKR and there are a lot of themes and cues from Begins that were reused(like the monorail fight track from Begins being reused when Talia crashes the truck in Rises).

Now I know where you were going with that, yes, Elfman's style can be identified a mile away. Why's his music always gotta be so goshdarn SILLY? But that can be said for a lot of composers, some of the best really. Williams scores are almost instantly identifiable in many of his films and have recurring elements, so does Goldsmith, Silvestri(the Predator movies sound very Back to the Future at times), and so on. But at the same time, I don't think he's given enough credit for his versatility. They say his style isn't innovative or intricate enough compared to Zimmer and Junkie XL, then in the same breath, people complain about how weird and whimsical his stuff is. They want innovation, but they don't want anything weird. And that in of itself is a big problem with superhero and comic book fans. They want so badly for their favorite stories to be taken seriously even though superheroes are supposed to be odd and unusual.

That was the point. Father and daughter both falling to their deaths (in a vehicle) at the climax. Same with Batman's "death" music being reminiscent of the Wayne murders scene.

 

[Klidokrator]

That was the point. Father and daughter both falling to their deaths (in a vehicle) at the climax. Same with Batman's "death" music being reminiscent of the Wayne murders scene.

Well the melody from the Wayne murders is used for Molossus and Batman grappling on the train and all the falling of the villains. I think it was to be the Batman motif (we can hear that in the unreleased Batman theme in the complete recordings) and it makes sense in Begins and TDK (Joker falling while Batman saving him and Batman begins where he "does not have to save him") but the use of the motifs in those movies is inconsistent. Take the melody playing when Bruce is opening the Batsuit vault in Begins that is the exact same melody as Harvey's theme is TDK as another example.

I just think that Begins laid a very good foundation for thematic development but Zimmer's overthinking and experimentation and Nolan's love for pre-existing temp music killed it.

 

[titansupes]

Well the melody from the Wayne murders is used for Molossus and Batman grappling on the train and all the falling of the villains. I think it was to be the Batman motif (we can hear that in the unreleased Batman theme in the complete recordings) and it makes sense in Begins and TDK (Joker falling while Batman saving him and Batman begins where he "does not have to save him") but the use of the motifs in those movies is inconsistent. Take the melody playing when Bruce is opening the Batsuit vault in Begins that is the exact same melody as Harvey's theme is TDK as another example.

I just think that Begins laid a very good foundation for thematic development but Zimmer's overthinking and experimentation and Nolan's love for pre-existing temp music killed it.

I can't remember most of those examples exactly, because it's been four-ish years, so I'll have to get back to you on that. But it's worth pointing out that Nolan doesn't use temp music, even from the previous films. He talks about that in his chat with Richard Donner on the bluray.

 

[Klidokrator]

I can't remember most of those examples exactly, because it's been four-ish years, so I'll have to get back to you on that. But it's worth pointing out that Nolan doesn't use temp music, even from the previous films. He talks about that in his chat with Richard Donner on the bluray.

Cutting to his own music I mean. He takes the ideas from Zimmer and cuts them to the scene. So all the suits that zimmer composes from the script are fair game for editing.

 

[Trevor]

Danny Elfman DA GOD made MOS theme even more EPIC and GLORIOUS!

http://www.nojusticewithouthope.com/img/jl_us_video.mp4

 

[Klidokrator]

Danny Elfman DA GOD made MOS theme even more EPIC and GLORIOUS!

http://www.nojusticewithouthope.com/img/jl_us_video.mp4

Is it Elfman though? Or just promo music?

 

[Trevor]

Doesn't matter. Danny Elfman is still da god.

 

[markjoedelonge]

Is the JL score releasing this week?

 

[Trevor]

In 3 more days bro!

 

[Klidokrator]

You think Zimmer's theme will be in the movie? I know it is in the promo materials and all but dunno...

 

[markjoedelonge]

In 3 more days bro!

Cool, can't wait to listen to it. Hoping to be wow-ed by it like I was for MOS and BvS.

 

[markjoedelonge]

You think Zimmer's theme will be in the movie? I know it is in the promo materials and all but dunno...

I am scared too. Guess we will know in 3 days.

 

[Klidokrator]

I am scared too. Guess we will know in 3 days.

I am not so scared mate. I am curious. WW is there as evident from the clips and the John William's one. But it will strike me as weird if they insist using the Zimmer theme for all the promo stuff and then not have it for the movie. It will be like back in the Shumacher films, where all the trailers had Elfman music and the scores for the films were different.

 

[Trevor]

You think Zimmer's theme will be in the movie?

Yes.

 

[Lone]

I don’t know how I feel about the MOS theme being the JL theme because IMO Zimmer got it right for this incarnation of Superman but at the same time, it feels like a great honour for the JL theme to be built on Superman’s theme.

 

[Trevor]

I think we've all wanted it to be the Justice League theme, right?

 

[Lone]

I think we've all wanted it to be the Justice League theme, right?

I actually thought WW’s theme in BvS was a proto-JL theme due to it playing over the Luthor files montage.

 

[markjoedelonge]

No, I wanted the JL theme to be the JL theme.