Justice League Danny Elfman Scoring Justice League - Part 2

[Consona]

When's the release date of this extended score???

 

[kguillou]

Wait, what did i miss? We're getting an extended BvS score??

 

[Consona]

Wait, what did i miss? We're getting an extended BvS score??

Seems so. http://www.hans-zimmer.com/index.php?rub=disco&id=1611

But I can't find any details and Label: Unofficial Release sounds weird. t:

But the length: 139'17. Omg

 

[idiot09]

I just realised.

Batman's training sequence music.

Holy ****.

 

[Patchwork Man]

139 minutes! Whoa!

 

[Black Narcissus]

Over the hill lazy bald Elfman.

Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

What's the difference between this and the 2 disc edition? I thought that had all the songa in the movie.

 

[Elayis]

The tracklist shown in that link isn’t for an official release. A bootleg is floating around but hasn’t yet shown up online; it may be some time until that actually happens. For example, it wasn’t until a couple weeks ago that ASM2 finally showed up, and that film’s over three years old now.

If an official release ever does happen it likely won’t be for at least 10 to 15 years, and be done through a specialty label like La La Land, limited to 5000 copies at most. The complete score for Titanic (which many assumed was unobtainable) went 20 years before finally coming out.

 

[GothamBat]

This was cathartic...

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bdy3H_9g3gT/?taken-by=heroic.gateway

 

[mclay18]

Sorry, slapping a MOS track over the Flash scene does NOT work. For one, it's terribly chosen. Second, it's badly edited.

As much as I think Shirley Walker's music for Batman is superior to Zimmer's Batman trilogy, slapping her theme all over Nolan's footage just doesn't work. It goes both ways.

The music direction Elfman went with JL was the correct choice... for the most part.

 

[markjoedelonge]

Sorry, slapping a MOS track over the Flash scene does NOT work. For one, it's terribly chosen. Second, it's badly edited.

As much as I think Shirley Walker's music for Batman is superior to Zimmer's Batman trilogy, slapping her theme all over Nolan's footage just doesn't work. It goes both ways.

The music direction Elfman went with JL was the correct choice... for the most part.

Going by your logic, slapping William's theme over Snyder's Superman footage doesn't work, and it didn't. It was a desperate ploy for nostalgia.

 

[kguillou]

Elfman just wasn't compatible with this movie, it just didn't fit with the visuals and the Snyder style.

 

[Micromind]

Sorry, slapping a MOS track over the Flash scene does NOT work. For one, it's terribly chosen. Second, it's badly edited.

As much as I think Shirley Walker's music for Batman is superior to Zimmer's Batman trilogy, slapping her theme all over Nolan's footage just doesn't work. It goes both ways.

The music direction Elfman went with JL was the correct choice... for the most part.

Yeah, MoS track doesn't work for Flash, but Zimmer's other tracks could have worked for other characters.

Elfman should have used Zimmer's tracks instead of using John Williams tracks.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

This was cathartic...

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bdy3H_9g3gT/?taken-by=heroic.gateway

This one wasn't good, I prefer the fan edit where the music to Launch was used.

 

[Elevator Man]

Yeah, MoS track doesn't work for Flash, but Zimmer's other tracks could have worked for other characters.

Elfman should have used Zimmer's tracks instead of using John Williams tracks.

But when Elfman adapted Zimmer's Wonder Woman riff. Ya'll still managed to complain about Elfman's rendition of it. Something to the extent that he neutered/butchered it. So it wouldn't had made much difference if Elfman had adapted any of the motifs/themes from MOS/BvS because ya'll still would've criticized his approach for being different from Zimmer's own.

 

[markjoedelonge]

But when Elfman adapted Zimmer's Wonder Woman riff. Ya'll still managed to complain about Elfman's rendition of it. Something to the extent that he neutered/butchered it. So it wouldn't had made much difference if Elfman had adapted any of the motifs/themes from MOS/BvS because ya'll still would've criticized his approach for being different from Zimmer's own.

No, that's subjective. I actually like Elfman's take on it. Regardless of whether we liked it or not, at least he incorporated the theme. Disregarding the MOS themes was a real dick move on Elfman's part.

 

[Arachnerd]

Sorry, slapping a MOS track over the Flash scene does NOT work. For one, it's terribly chosen. Second, it's badly edited.

I somewhat agree with this. To those who are already planning on making the full-length fan edits with Zimmer's/Junkie's music, it has to match the scenes at hand and not just be random. There are very few small fanedits of JL I've seen that have managed to accomplish this.

 

[Consona]

I somewhat agree with this. To those who are already planning on making the full-length fan edits with Zimmer's/Junkie's music, it has to match the scenes at hand and not just be random. There are very few small fanedits of JL I've seen that have managed to accomplish this.

Yea, like there's only one fan edit scene of Batman vs Parademon in that tower fight that somewhat worked. Those other are just Zimmer/JXL epic score atop of those visuals.

The main problem is obvious, the music used was composed for another scene, that had different flow, etc. It is kinda doable but you'd have to intercut between various parts of various pieces to serve the scene.

 

[Arachnerd]

That and, that guy who mixed the JL ending with the MOS theme. That worked wonderfully.

 

[markjoedelonge]

That and, that guy who mixed the JL ending with the MOS theme. That worked wonderfully.

Yes that was the best one yet. It fit so perfectly.

 

[mclay18]

Going by your logic, slapping William's theme over Snyder's Superman footage doesn't work, and it didn't. It was a desperate ploy for nostalgia.

Jesus, here we go AGAIN...

Studios largely don't give a s**t about musical thematic continuity for comic-book films... Fox's X-Men series, for example. Warners wanted a musical departure from Junkie XL by hiring Elfman for JL and got it. Whedon and the producers wanted the classic themes instead and got it.

Can't you guys get past the lack of Zimmer material and enjoy/criticize Elfman's score on its own merits?

 

[Micromind]

Jesus, here we go AGAIN...

Studios largely don't give a s**t about musical thematic continuity for comic-book films... Fox's X-Men series, for example. Warners wanted a musical departure from Junkie XL by hiring Elfman for JL and got it. Whedon and the producers wanted the classic themes instead and got it.

Can't you guys get past the lack of Zimmer material and enjoy/criticize Elfman's score on its own merits?

Sorry, continuity and musical score is very important as this was a continuation of trilogy with same actors as appeared in MoS & BvS with same director and most of the producers.

You cannot seriously say that if the first two movies in a trilogy can have a different score and then third movie can have completely different score with minimal use of earlier score.

Imagine third LOTR movie having a completely different musical score than the first two, or the 3rd Star Wars movie (from the Original trilogy) having no musical connection to first two movies.

Elfman could have used Zimmer's score and added some of his own stuff in the movie without breaking the continuity.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I remember Elfman doing an interview about his Batman 89 score and he said he wasn't trying to make an iconic score - he was trying to make a score that fit the movie he was composing for, that matched the tone of the film he was working on.

That is the biggest reason Elfman's score on Justice League doesn't seem to work. He didn't create a score for the movie he was working on. He just put Williams Superman theme and his 89 Batman theme into a different movie and that just doesn't work. Even if he didn't want to reuse Zimmer's themes and wanted to do his own music, he still should've scored for the movie he was working on instead of reusing old themes from other movies.

 

[markjoedelonge]

Sorry, continuity and musical score is very important as this was a continuation of trilogy with same actors as appeared in MoS & BvS with same director and most of the producers.

You cannot seriously say that if the first two movies in a trilogy can have a different score and then third movie can have completely different score with minimal use of earlier score.

Imagine third LOTR movie having a completely different musical score than the first two, or the 3rd Star Wars movie (from the Original trilogy) having no musical connection to first two movies.

Elfman could have used Zimmer's score and added some of his own stuff in the movie without breaking the continuity.

Jesus, here we go AGAIN...

Studios largely don't give a s**t about musical thematic continuity for comic-book films... Fox's X-Men series, for example. Warners wanted a musical departure from Junkie XL by hiring Elfman for JL and got it. Whedon and the producers wanted the classic themes instead and got it.

Can't you guys get past the lack of Zimmer material and enjoy/criticize Elfman's score on its own merits?

Exactly. And why are you using the X-Men as an example of thematic continuity? They've used the same theme from the first X-Men in subsequent films. Even MCU movies throw in motifs from the earlier movies now and then.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Jesus, here we go AGAIN...

Studios largely don't give a s**t about musical thematic continuity for comic-book films... Fox's X-Men series, for example. Warners wanted a musical departure from Junkie XL by hiring Elfman for JL and got it. Whedon and the producers wanted the classic themes instead and got it.

Can't you guys get past the lack of Zimmer material and enjoy/criticize Elfman's score on its own merits?

You want to talk about this score on its own merits? On its own merits it's one of the laziest and most forgettable scores of Elfman's career, it's Elfman doing lazy versions of themes that him and other composers already made decades ago, fails to provide any memorable original material, and never does anything to stand out, if it was a good score, or even remotely interesting, people wouldn't constantly be bringing up Zimmer and XL's work, but it's not, there's not a whole lot to compliment it for, and it fitting with the studios intentions doesn't automatically make it ok. If anything it makes this worse because it's a widespread problem in the industry, film scores are becoming boring and interchangeable even in multi hundred million dollar blockbusters.