Daredevil Daredevil General Discussion Thread - Part 3

[GRangerPrimeNYC]

This would be awesome

 

[The Overlord]

Is there mistakes that the Daredevil movie made, that the TV series should avoid?

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Yeah...Dont suck

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Is there mistakes that the Daredevil movie made, that the TV series should avoid?

nu metal

 

[The Overlord]

Yeah...Dont suck

Care to expand on that thought? t:

 

[Mike Murdock]

Well, that's the thing about the Daredevil movie. I don't think there's any one specific thing. Did it get some things wrong? Yeah, but it was also pretty faithful. It also didn't make the mistake of being too faithful. The lead cared about the role quite a bit (and was heartbroken when it was such a flop). It ultimately just came down to a movie that didn't click and ultimately wasn't all that entertaining. I don't think any one major thing stands out.

So have better scripts. Make sure it's quality from beginning to end. That's really the only main thing.

 

[Slushy]

Daredevil was ahead of its time. Audiences weren't ready for a dark superhero yet, the butchering of the film by removing 30 minutes, and a lot of people hated Ben Affleck at the time. We also got that sh**ty Elektra movie.

I think fans are ready to accept The Man Without Fear now.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I think Daredevil is remarkably underappreciated. It was a beautiful looking film, with decent performances (excluding Colin Farrell) that was incredibly faithful to the source material.

Some of the shots from the movie were like they were lifted right out of the comic. Mark Steven Johnson isn't very talented, but you can tell he busted his nuts trying to get this project right.

Plus, I liked Ben Affleck as Daredevil, but nobody could get past his personal life. Oh well... let's just say he has traded UP in the superhero world.

 

[Art Freak]

Yep. The movie (especially the director's cut) is pretty decent. I think the way they handled his "vision" was great and suit looked good. Joey Pants and Favs are especially good in the DC.What hurt it was the poor story, the Farrell cheese, the Evanescence promotion and the public fatigue over Affleck's personal life. The movie still did decent money.

 

[Mike Murdock]

The one thing I'm not a huge fan of when it comes to faithfulness to the source material (something I said they generally did a good job with) was the scene in the subway where he let someone die rather than saving him. It took an iconic scene from the comics (Daredevil saves Bullseye's life) and stood it on its head. That being said, I get the impression that this show will follow more in line with Bendis and Brubaker and will therefore follow the movie down that path. It's a fine interpretation of the character, but that was a moment I liked (particularly because it led to Elektra's death).

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I don't read the comics, but is Daredevil overly prone to killing in the source material?

I suppose it worked for the story the movie was telling. Similar in a sense to the whole ''I won't kill you... but I don't have to save you!'' thing from Batman Begins.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Daredevil doesn't kill in the comics. His respect for the law and due process doesn't let him cross that line. He's come extremely close before, though, in often ambiguous ways about his intent. Not long after he saved Bullseye, he ends up fighting him again right after Bullseye killed Elektra. He ends up dropping Bullseye from a tall height and paralyzing him. It's ambiguous whether he thought it was high enough to kill him and that was his actual intent. Later, he ended up beating the crap out of and using a blade to cut up Bullseye Inglourious Basterds style. Even then, he didn't straight up murder him.

Matt Murdock is someone who clearly has issues with depression and seems to have been close the edge with regards to his mental stability before. When he's in that position, he takes it out on bad guys. But he also has a very strong moral code and respect for the law. The system is something important to him, which is why he became a lawyer (even if his night job makes him a walking contradiction).

Generally, I'd have no problem with a movie or television show having Daredevil fail to save a bad guy. It's just that they took one of my favorite scenes, drawn in classic Frank Miller form, and did the complete opposite of what he did in the comics. And it was for some random street thug. In the comics he saves one of the deadliest killers of all time. In the movie, he lets some random dude die.

 

[BillPardy]

My big complaint with the movie, (Directors Cut included) was the Playground fight scene. I've never had a single scene distract me so much, its hurt my enjoyment of the rest of the movie.

Also... doesn't the kill a guy in Born Again, or does that guy jump out of the helicopter that he blew up and I don't remember? I'd check, but I'm not at home.

 

[Flint Marko]

The theatrical cut is a marked improvement over the theatrical version, but it still has a lot of glaring problems. The playground scene, awful CGI, nu-metal, I could keep going.
I also really enjoyed Farrell as bullseye, he was one of the best parts of the movie IMO.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Bad cgi and way too over-the-top Bullseye are the two big downsides for me. I guess I'm one of the few that likes the soundtrack.

 

[BillPardy]

The bad CGI and the music are just a sign of the times. Music Tie-ins were still a big thing.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I loved the songs from Evanescence that MSJ employed. I found them to be highly effective, especially during the funeral scene.

Too bad the dialogue was dreadful in that moment:

- ''There's no place for me here''
- ''I want revenge''

Elektra's character development was accelerated far too quickly and as a result felt heavily stunted.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Didn't the movie bring Evanescence into the spotlight?

 

[gohei_]

Didn't the movie bring Evanescence into the spotlight?

I think so. I've never heard of them before that and I think they only had one album and then disappeared off the radar?

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I think so. I've never heard of them before that and I think they only had one album and then disappeared off the radar?

While I'm by no means a big fan of Evanescene (Their best work is completely contained within Fallen), they released THREE studio albums, as well as a few EPs.

Their last album Evanescene debuted at No. 1 on the Billboard 200 back in 2011 and they are currently on hiatus.

So while they never truly maintained their 2003/2004 hype, they clearly have longevity and a dedicated fanbase.

 

[flickchick85]

I have nothing against them, but Evanescence is just one of those bands that's very much "of their moment," so they're the kind of band you listen to when you're feeling nostalgic for the early 2000's. And so any media that used their music, started sounding dated even just 5 years or so later.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

I have nothing against them, but Evanescence is just one of those bands that's very much "of their moment," so they're the kind of band you listen to when you're feeling nostalgic for the early 2000's. And so any media that used their music, started sounding dated even just 5 years or so later.

Ben and Amy splitting up in 03 certainly didn't help establishing the band successfully in the charts for a longer period than the two or three years they had

 

[gohei_]

While I'm by no means a big fan of Evanescene (Their best work is completely contained within Fallen), they released THREE studio albums, as well as a few EPs.

Their last album Evanescene debuted at No. 1 on the Billboard 200 back in 2011 and they are currently on hiatus.

So while they never truly maintained their 2003/2004 hype, they clearly have longetvity and a dedicated fanbase.

I see. I listened a lot on Fallen actually but after that they weren't so much in the media and I never really tried to keep up with what they were doing.

 

[kedrell]

I always felt the movie was too Matrix-y in it's approach to action and other aesthetics. And it makes sense because the Matrix came out only 4 years earlier and everything was still overdone wire work, gun-fu, and dark leather clad characters in tight clothing that you'd expect to squeak like crazy except they filter all of the sound obviously to eliminate that. Not to mention all the 'being dark for the sake of being dark' that came with that. So the series should avoid all of those pitfalls. A DD show should be dark like what it seems we are getting but at the same time it should understand why it's being that way rather than 'we do it this way 'cause it looks cool, brah!'.

 

[BarryAllen]

Don't know if this was posted here yet:
https://***********/Daredevil/status/565994121794318336

My Dad, he used to come to this church...he was a fighter...lost more than he won...but he always got back up.