Daredevil reboot: official discussion thread

[marcvader]

An Inhumans Pixar movie would be tight.

 

[metaphysician]

Or let Pixar do Marvel Cosmic. It would notably cut the production costs, after all.

 

[roach]

I think Fisk should be in the movie but he should be behind the scenes

 

[Project862006]

Are we gonna get an update anytime soon Slade said an update in the new year lol it is almost April

 

[roach]

we still got plenty of year to go
1)Plans could have fell through
2) Could have some bad@ss news and waiting for Comic-con

 

[Dark Raven]

No news is good news. That means that the longer nothing is in development, the more likely it is to go back to Marvel. We should all be hoping for absolutely nothing this year on the production front.

 

[cherokeesam]

No news is good news. That means that the longer nothing is in development, the more likely it is to go back to Marvel. We should all be hoping for absolutely nothing this year on the production front.

OTOH, as long as Fox and Sony make quality Marvel movies, then you've got more chances of actually seeing your favorite superheroes make it to the big screen. With Marvel Studios, you're limited to two movies a year; properties like Daredevil would probably never see the light of day with Marvel Studios, since they're more concerned with getting heavier hitters out there.

I'm perfectly happy with Fox sticking with Daredevil. I was okay with the first one, and I'm confident that David Slade can do a great job with the new one.

So yeah, I'm looking for all kinds of good news about Daredevil this year.

 

[The Morningstar]

Let's put this into perspective, Fox's First Class is better than any of Marvel Studios movies, outside the first Iron Man anyway. I don't see the big deal with Fox still having the rights as long as they continue making quality films.

 

[metaphysician]

OTOH, Marvel Studios has a better success ratio, with four good or better to one mediocre-at-worst, as far as films go. Fox's overall record is much more mixed.

As for Marvel Studios actually using the license, note that if Avengers is a huge success, Disney will probably provide them with additional backing. Three movies a year is not at all unlikely, especially if one of them is a somewhat lower budget film for non-summer release.

 

[roach]

Let's put this into perspective, Fox's First Class is better than any of Marvel Studios movies, outside the first Iron Man anyway. I don't see the big deal with Fox still having the rights as long as they continue making quality films.

because fanboys want to see the Avengers fight Doom and have Spider-man be a member

 

[Dr Tactics]

Let's put this into perspective, Fox's First Class is better than any of Marvel Studios movies, outside the first Iron Man anyway. I don't see the big deal with Fox still having the rights as long as they continue making quality films.

Really?? Well all the Marvel Studios movies all except for TIH grossed more than X-Men First Class.. Fox comic book adaptations SUCK!! XM-FC Just looked better cause Fox lowered your standards so much that any improvement made it look like a MASTERPIECE. Its was a better than average/usual movie.. Sorry

5 Iron Man Par. $318,412,101 4,154 $98,618,668 4,105 5/2/08
6 Iron Man 2 Par. $312,433,331 4,390 $128,122,480 4,380
16 Thor Par. $181,030,624 3,963 $65,723,338 3,955 5/6/11
18 Captain America: The First Avenger Par. $176,654,505 3,715 $65,058,524 3,715 7/22/11
22 X-Men: First Class Fox $146,408,305 3,692 $55,101,604 3,641 6/3/11

and not Far Behind...

24 The Incredible Hulk Uni. $134,806,913 3,508 $55,414,050 3,505 6/13/08

FOX SUCKS!!! They need to give it back to Marvel. It's for us all!!

 

[KenK]

Really?? Well all the Marvel Studios movies all except for TIH grossed more than X-Men First Class.. Fox comic book adaptations SUCK!! XM-FC Just looked better cause Fox lowered your standards so much that any improvement made it look like a MASTERPIECE. Its was a better than average/usual movie.. Sorry

5 Iron Man Par. $318,412,101 4,154 $98,618,668 4,105 5/2/08
6 Iron Man 2 Par. $312,433,331 4,390 $128,122,480 4,380
16 Thor Par. $181,030,624 3,963 $65,723,338 3,955 5/6/11
18 Captain America: The First Avenger Par. $176,654,505 3,715 $65,058,524 3,715 7/22/11
22 X-Men: First Class Fox $146,408,305 3,692 $55,101,604 3,641 6/3/11

and not Far Behind...

24 The Incredible Hulk Uni. $134,806,913 3,508 $55,414,050 3,505 6/13/08

FOX SUCKS!!! They need to give it back to Marvel. It's for us all!!

What does the box office have to do with it. It doesn't make the Marvel films any better than X-Men First Class, nor does it make it worse than the other Marvel films that came out last year.

 

[Project862006]

Really?? Well all the Marvel Studios movies all except for TIH grossed more than X-Men First Class.. Fox comic book adaptations SUCK!! XM-FC Just looked better cause Fox lowered your standards so much that any improvement made it look like a MASTERPIECE. Its was a better than average/usual movie.. Sorry

5 Iron Man Par. $318,412,101 4,154 $98,618,668 4,105 5/2/08
6 Iron Man 2 Par. $312,433,331 4,390 $128,122,480 4,380
16 Thor Par. $181,030,624 3,963 $65,723,338 3,955 5/6/11
18 Captain America: The First Avenger Par. $176,654,505 3,715 $65,058,524 3,715 7/22/11
22 X-Men: First Class Fox $146,408,305 3,692 $55,101,604 3,641 6/3/11

and not Far Behind...

24 The Incredible Hulk Uni. $134,806,913 3,508 $55,414,050 3,505 6/13/08

FOX SUCKS!!! They need to give it back to Marvel. It's for us all!!

no first class was just better it was'nt about standards it was flat out better than the marvel films

 

[Dr Tactics]

no first class was just better it was'nt about standards it was flat out better than the marvel films

Well all I know when examining the numbers is that each of the Marvel Movies that made more Box office $'s vs XM-FC made at least $100 Mil more than its opening day= Great Word of mouth.

XM-FC $91 Mil = good but not overwhelming word of mouth.

XM-FC was a good movie granted, but to make the blanket statement that I was a better movie over all than most of the Marvel/Paramount movies, the numbers just don't support it. But Fox can Keep the X-Men.. Thats all good. But they need to Let go FF and DD..

Outside of the X-Men I'm done with those dudes @ Fox

 

[roach]

Of the Marvel studio films IMO Iron Man was the best but then faltered with a typical third act...which hurt the film IMO because it wasn't a typical superhero story.

 

[Project862006]

Well all I know when examining the numbers is that each of the Marvel Movies that made more Box office $'s vs XM-FC made at least $100 Mil more than its opening day= Great Word of mouth.

XM-FC $91 Mil = good but not overwhelming word of mouth.

XM-FC was a good movie granted, but to make the blanket statement that I was a better movie over all than most of the Marvel/Paramount movies, the numbers just don't support it. But Fox can Keep the X-Men.. Thats all good. But they need to Let go FF and DD..

Outside of the X-Men I'm done with those dudes @ Fox

And Alice in Wonderland made over 1 billion

and Transformers films combined made over 2 Billion

they must be the best films of all time right

since you want to bring up Box Office as a sense of quality

 

[Spider - Man]

no first class was just better it was'nt about standards it was flat out better than the marvel films

Everyone'e entitled to their opinion but the above is just that: your opinion. I think XMFC was very good but I don't think it was one bit better than the Marvel films and if you want to add in the stupid continuity/jibing with other X-films/comics, it was typical fox goof-up. It WAS MUCH better than x3 or wolverine...in my opinion.

 

[metaphysician]

And Alice in Wonderland made over 1 billion

and Transformers films combined made over 2 Billion

they must be the best films of all time right

since you want to bring up Box Office as a sense of quality

Box office numbers are at least objective. If we start arguing over quality, then ultimately it boils down to somebody derisively saying "No, all the stuff you just said is wrong. Why? Because I disagree."

Its either BO or Metacritic, take your pick.

 

[The Morningstar]

^that will never happen

Gosling has actually wanted to do a superhero/action movie for quite some time. That was before Drive though. But if he's presented with a great script I think he would do it. And he's a great choice for Murdock.

 

[The Morningstar]

Box office numbers are at least objective. If we start arguing over quality, then ultimately it boils down to somebody derisively saying "No, all the stuff you just said is wrong. Why? Because I disagree."

Its either BO or Metacritic, take your pick.

You can't use box office to judge the quality of a film, because the vast majority of cinema goers don't know what good films are. They just know what they enjoy. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, because at the end of the day most people go to the cinema to just have a good night out.

Besides, considering First Class was coming off the back of the disasters that were Wolverine and X-3, but still made near enough 400 million WITHOUT 3D? That's a great achievement.

And yes, First Class is better than all of MS films besides Iron Man. It's nothing to do with me lowering my standards, it's simply a better film, in terms of story, characterisation and action scenes. Nothing in any of the Marvel films comes close to the attack on the CIA base or the finale at Cuba. Also Shaw is one of the best villains in the genre. Not to say the likes of Thor or Cap are anywhere near bad, they ain't.

 

[metaphysician]

You can't use box office to judge the quality of a film, because the vast majority of cinema goers don't know what good films are. They just know what they enjoy. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, because at the end of the day most people go to the cinema to just have a good night out.

Besides, considering First Class was coming off the back of the disasters that were Wolverine and X-3, but still made near enough 400 million WITHOUT 3D? That's a great achievement.

And yes, First Class is better than all of MS films besides Iron Man. It's nothing to do with me lowering my standards, it's simply a better film, in terms of story, characterisation and action scenes. Nothing in any of the Marvel films comes close to the attack on the CIA base or the finale at Cuba. Also Shaw is one of the best villains in the genre. Not to say the likes of Thor or Cap are anywhere near bad, they ain't.

First, I gave you an option besides BO for objective assessment: Metacritic. I do acknowledge that BO isn't the be all end all measure. . . but it is an *objective* measure. Likewise, Metacritic is an objective measure ( of critical response ). "My personal assessment" isn't.

Second, I never said First Class was bad. Hell, I like it better than any X-Men film since X2.

Third, everything you say in the last paragraph is pure opinion. Which is, again, why I make reference to BO and Metacritic as being *objective* measures. Or, if you are going to make a factual claim, be prepared to back it with evidence. So. . . what evidence do you have that First Class is a better movie?

Long story short: Please, everyone. Learn to distinguish between "I like this movie better" and "This movie is better."

 

[Dr Tactics]

First, I gave you an option besides BO for objective assessment: Metacritic. I do acknowledge that BO isn't the be all end all measure. . . but it is an *objective* measure. Likewise, Metacritic is an objective measure ( of critical response ). "My personal assessment" isn't.

Second, I never said First Class was bad. Hell, I like it better than any X-Men film since X2.

Third, everything you say in the last paragraph is pure opinion. Which is, again, why I make reference to BO and Metacritic as being *objective* measures. Or, if you are going to make a factual claim, be prepared to back it with evidence. So. . . what evidence do you have that First Class is a better movie?

Long story short: Please, everyone. Learn to distinguish between "I like this movie better" and "This movie is better."

This^^^^^ (Where's the like button?) It almost like the Jedi mind trick or something. If one says it better enough times then, we'll actually agree soon or later... and

 

[Dr Tactics]

Besides, considering First Class was coming off the back of the disasters that were Wolverine and X-3, but still made near enough 400 million WITHOUT 3D? That's a great achievement.

400 Mil???? Where did that number come from??? LOL!!!!.. [edit] Unless you're adding or referring to the World wide Gross..

 

[chiefchirpa]

So will Daredevil rights revert to Marvel next year? Elektra was made in 2005.

 

[The Morningstar]

First, I gave you an option besides BO for objective assessment: Metacritic. I do acknowledge that BO isn't the be all end all measure. . . but it is an *objective* measure. Likewise, Metacritic is an objective measure ( of critical response ). "My personal assessment" isn't.

Second, I never said First Class was bad. Hell, I like it better than any X-Men film since X2.

Third, everything you say in the last paragraph is pure opinion. Which is, again, why I make reference to BO and Metacritic as being *objective* measures. Or, if you are going to make a factual claim, be prepared to back it with evidence. So. . . what evidence do you have that First Class is a better movie?

Long story short: Please, everyone. Learn to distinguish between "I like this movie better" and "This movie is better."

Magneto's story arc is better than anything in the Marvel films apart from Stark's in the first Iron Man. How is this deniable? Could say the same for Raven.

Shaw is probably the best villain out of them all. He had the best motivations and the best plot. Starting WWIII to wipe humanity out so he could rule as the leader of the mutants beats whatever Loki was trying to accomplish, for example.

As for action scenes, who in their right mind thinks anything in Marvels movies comes anywhere close to the CIA base attack? The part where Azazel is dropping all those people from the sky is ridiculous, probably right up there with Nightcrawler's attack on the White House.

And Magento lifting a sub-marine out of the water, catching a load of missiles mid flight? Nothing in the Marvel movies so far comes anywhere close to the scale and imagination displayed there.

It's just a better made, more intelligent film that shows more faith in it's audience. Even the little things, like the characters actually speaking with foreign dialect, makes a big difference.

I mean, why the **** are German characters speaking to each other in English in Captain America?

400 Mil???? Where did that number come from??? LOL!!!!.. [edit] Unless you're adding or referring to the World wide Gross..

Yes i'm talking about WW, why wouldn't I be? It made nearly 400 million without 3D. If it did have 3D it'd probably be close enough to 500 million.