Daredevil VS Punisher....anyone?

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I would love to see this movie made. Seriously. It could be a great action flick. And with the new tie-ins going on with the Marvel movies lately, I don't see why DD and Puni should be left out.
 
after Daredevil the movie I don't think people would be willing to go see another movie with him in it. Give people a chance to forget the horrors of Ben Afflec.
 
i like it but i'd rather see a marvel knights film with all the relative characters in it and punisher pretty much working on his own...

i might even throw wolverine in there for the sake of the demographic and keeping mutants relevant
 
Affleck was actually a good DD. I don't see why people are giving him such a hard time. Sure, he wasn't my initial choice, but he played a convincing Matt Murdock as well as Daredevil.

And seeing as how they're doing this new Punisher movie with a new lead, I don't see why they can't do the same for Daredevil. Do a new DD flick with a new cast along the lines of "The Incredible Hulk" or "The Punisher: Warzone" and tie the two films together so they can set the stages for a film with the two.
 
Affleck was actually a good DD. I don't see why people are giving him such a hard time. Sure, he wasn't my initial choice, but he played a convincing Matt Murdock as well as Daredevil.

And seeing as how they're doing this new Punisher movie with a new lead, I don't see why they can't do the same for Daredevil. Do a new DD flick with a new cast along the lines of "The Incredible Hulk" or "The Punisher: Warzone" and tie the two films together so they can set the stages for a film with the two.

The problems with that film was beyond Ben Affleck.
 
Why would Marvel sell the rights back to Lionsgate when they are on the verge of getting them right back? I am not saying Marvel wouldn't be willing to... but Lionsgate is a small studio and unless they have a major hit with War Zone I don't see them pursuing other Marvel characters for crossovers in their Punisher franchise. Its wishful thinking but its not worth the financial risk IMO. Now Sony could be a player for Dare Devil rights if they need a guy like King Pin... Sony has to pursue cross overs for their Spidey flicks because I don't think a story about Peter Parker for yet another 3 flicks will hold its own. They could use other characters.
 
I long for the day when Marvel get's ALL it's properties back. I want to see a Marvel version of X-men and Spiderman. :)
 
I just need to see a decent Daredevil in the worst way. I saw the Affleck one before I really got into the character, but since then I've gone straight through the entire Bendis/Maleev run, and it makes me weep how a character that was handled so ridiculously well in that run can be completely mishandled in the film. The problem wasn't Affleck, it wasn't Garner, it wasn't Favreau, it certainly wasn't Farrell and it wasn't even Michael Clarke Duncan. I thought all of them played their roles well. The problem was in the tone (far too jazzy and MTV-ey), the plot (cramming two or even three movies' worth of stuff into one) and Elektra's hair (I mean seriously, how tough would it have been to pop a bit of black dye into her hair? And how much of an improvement would it have made? It really confused me).

But enough of the bashing... what was the point of this thread again? Oh yeah, Punisher v DD. Wouldn't work. Punisher works best on screen best in a MAX-style (more in terms of the lack of other heroes than the content). I hope that this current Punisher do-over works well (although the teaser doesn't fill me with hope), because he's the one property I don't think Marvel needs, cos it'd be weird to have a film with him and the other heroes. DD on the other hand, needs to be got back by Marvel, and they need to re-do him as well. The character deserves it, and so do we.

Man, this has turned into an essay. All apologies...
 
Paloogin, it's nice to finally hear somebody voice the real issues and concerns over the DD and Elektra projects... considering the money they spent on the cast, you'd think they could've at least spent a little bit on writing and costumes, ferchrissakes!!

Personally, I AM a big Punisher fan, and I'm keeping all my fingers and toes crossed that this new movie is better and darker than the first one... but, until Marvel gets the rights back, I'm not holding my breath.

My big problem with doing a DD/Punisher movie is that once ol' hornhead gets within physical striking distance of Frank, the movie's over, providing the movie's anywhere near true to the characters. Still, Frank is the ultimate tactician, so who knows... m'thinkin no matter how much hoping or speculating we do, they'll still screw the project up somehow.
 
Affleck was actually a good DD. I don't see why people are giving him such a hard time. Sure, he wasn't my initial choice, but he played a convincing Matt Murdock as well as Daredevil.

And seeing as how they're doing this new Punisher movie with a new lead, I don't see why they can't do the same for Daredevil. Do a new DD flick with a new cast along the lines of "The Incredible Hulk" or "The Punisher: Warzone" and tie the two films together so they can set the stages for a film with the two.

I actually enjoyed the Daredevil movie a lot. But as far as rebooting I think it would be pointless. Marvel thinks a reboot is the answer to all their films that underperform.
 
well, part of the problem there is that the majority of those reboots are because Marvel wasn't truly in charge of the initial movies, like the Hulk and Daredevil... both were LionsGate films, not Marvel studios... so, they didn't have a whole lot of say in how the storyline went... with that in mind, you can't really blame em for wanting to do "reboots"
 
I really would ove to see DD grapple with Spidey. While DD and Punisher work well in the comics, I just don't think they'd work well in a movie.

I'd be up for a re-interpretation. I think the DD movie was made by a passionate fan, but only an average director and an even worse writer. Add in a lot of studio interference and we're lucky it turned out as well as it did. I think the whole cast did well with what they were given and played off each other well (****, I mean Affleck married Garner two years after that movie). But the screenplay was just too strung together, the direction too slick and overdone and ultimately the studio cut it up too much.

I will say that DD had moments of greatness in it, though. Even though it was against the comics I think the subway scene was excellent, when Bullseye kills the guy in the pub was a great character moment (as was his talk with the Kngpin), Bullseye killing Elektra and the inital beating in the DC Kingpin gives DD all worked really well. However the one scene that really hit it out of the park was DD coming home after killing Quesada and seeing the dark, empty side of being a superhero. And people thought Peter had it bad in SM2. I really liked in the DC him hearing a woman murdered across town and just going to bed like it is routine, as there is nothing he can do.

And there ar e a few other great moments in it. But overall the story is very juvenile, the dialogue even moreso and it has as much tonal and editing coherence as a kid on ADD. As a whole it is messy. But there are great moments in it. And if Marvel redoes it (albeit without the origin) and takes their time, they can find the good DD movie that was hidden in there somewhere.

Who knows maybe they'll cast Casey Affleck. :p Oh the irony!

...seriously Casey would be good, but he'd never do it.
 
well, part of the problem there is that the majority of those reboots are because Marvel wasn't truly in charge of the initial movies, like the Hulk and Daredevil... both were LionsGate films, not Marvel studios...

Hulk was Universal and Daredevil was Fox.
 
after Daredevil the movie I don't think people would be willing to go see another movie with him in it. Give people a chance to forget the horrors of Ben Afflec.

People will forget Affleck in the role once he's replaced with a good DD in film.
 
I actually enjoyed the Daredevil movie a lot. But as far as rebooting I think it would be pointless.
I don't see a reboot as pointless. It would revive a franchise which could live up to its potential. It won't do that if the franchise can't move past Affleck.

Marvel thinks a reboot is the answer to all their films that underperform.

It certainly can't hurt.
 
after Daredevil the movie I don't think people would be willing to go see another movie with him in it. Give people a chance to forget the horrors of Ben Afflec.

Ugh...Ben Affleck..I just threw up in my mouth..:wow:
 
I thought the Daredevil Director's Cut was 100 times better than the studio release. Much better tone and pacing. Still not perfect but truely a different movie and one of my Marvel favorites.

I thought I read Avi saying that they are going to do another Daredevil movie as soon as Marvel Studios gets the rights back. I think they need to introduce him in Cap or the Avengers or something like that and then give him his own movie again. Keep Elektra out of it, she was a character born to die, only Miller has been able to make her work.
 
funny thing about the daredevil film is that they completely and utterly nailed the origin...

i've never seen sucha good origin in a superhero film.

if they could take all those aspects of it and just redo the present bits, i'd be happy.

still i believe the director's cut told a decent enough main story about daredevil not having to reach the same lows as his enemies and he's willing ot fight them on the street and in the courts. It had moral fibre.

I wouldn't mind matt trying to show frank this same amount of fibre
 
I think that since Marvel Studios is probably regaining the rights to DD, and The Punisher is owned by Lionsgate it would have to be some sort of agreement between the two to make it... and didn't Marvel say they were not going to be making any R-rated movies? Is this something they could do? Keep the rights to DD and contract out rights to make a single VS movie produced by Lionsgate or something?
 
I don't think a reboot is necessary. Even if you didn't like the actors (which I was fine with the cast), you could just replace the actors, but assume the backstory that occurred in the first movie. I mean, Daredevil defeats Bullseye and the Kingpin, who both go to jail. That's basically all the plot you need to keep over.

There was a Daredevil vs Punisher miniseries, I think 6 issues in 2005 which I liked a lot. Aside from some pretty good action, it did a good job of addressing their conflicting natures of "rule of law" vs "vigilante justice"
 
I think its way too soon for a Vs in anything with marvel. There's still so many movies to explore Cable, X-Force, X-Factor, Stryfe, Apocalypse, Bishop & future wars.
 
It would for me, there are too many other cool heroes and villains to explore.
 
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