Dark/Evil Illuminati?

[TheCorpulent1]

One writer and one editor can still do a lot of damage if they're the top-selling writer and the editor-in-chief, though. A thousand Jeff Parkers and Dan Slotts and Fred Van Lente's couldn't fix the damage Bendis and Joe Q could do if they really wanted to.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

Why is Spider-Man/ Spider-Man's villains never given enough respect? I hate where Peter Parker has headed up. He really is treated like a B-Lister. I mean, c'mon, if there was an evil Illuminati, Osborne deserves to be in it

 

[DoomJester]

Yes and no... Yes in the sense that he is a true force to be reckoned with... one of the few people I think is really as unhinged as the Joker. But no in the sense that he may not be that type of villain. Not that we know what these people are doing, but he just may not be a villain that others normally team up with. Just like how Joker was left out of the planning in Infinite Crisis, much to Luthor's later chagrin. Did you finish Ellis' Thunderbolts run? Really good Osborne!

 

[The Question]

Exactly. The problem with Osborne is, despite his vast intelligence and aptitude for planning, he's still a disillusion schizophrenic with occasional hints of Dissociative Identity Disorder and otherwise just being bat**** insane. While there are insane villains who's crazy could still be used on a team, Osborne's is not one of them.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh, either way, Osborn ain't in the big leagues. Dr. Doom, Loki, and everyone else on the Evilluminati would eat him for breakfast. He's a decent villain for Spider-Man, although I still think he should've stayed in the ground, but he's not up to global-level threats. Probably because of how bats*** crazy he is.

 

[The Question]

Eh, either way, Osborn ain't in the big leagues. Dr. Doom, Loki, and everyone else on the Evilluminati would eat him for breakfast. He's a decent villain for Spider-Man, although I still think he should've stayed in the ground, but he's not up to global-level threats. Probably because of how bats*** crazy he is.

He could be a global level threat, at least through the influence of Oscorp and his government contracts. But his obsession with revenge and Peter Parker, as well as his tendency for overly theatrical power grabs, makes him mainly Spidey's stalker.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I guess, but it's always confused me how Oscorp is still in his control after he's been publicly outed as the Goblin what, like 2 or 3 times now?

 

[The Question]

I guess, but it's always confused me how Oscorp is still in his control after he's been publicly outed as the Goblin what, like 2 or 3 times now?

Is it really? I was just saying that he could have had more impact previously.

 

[Dread]

Why Osborn? Why not Dr. Octopus? Spider-Man has more rogues besides Osborn and Venom in the A-League. Besides, at least Doc Ock led a Masters of Evil squad before.

One writer and one editor can still do a lot of damage if they're the top-selling writer and the editor-in-chief, though. A thousand Jeff Parkers and Dan Slotts and Fred Van Lente's couldn't fix the damage Bendis and Joe Q could do if they really wanted to.

Too true.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Dr. Octopus I could see being a genius mastermind more readily than Osborn. On account of the not being as bats*** crazy.

Is it really? I was just saying that he could have had more impact previously.

I think Liz Allen was running it after Osborn went to jail most recently. Before OMD, anyway. Now I don't know what's going on with it.

 

[Dread]

Dr. Octopus I could see being a genius mastermind more readily than Osborn. On account of the not being as bats*** crazy.

Yeah. He's still crazy, just not AS crazy.

Plus, Dr. Octopus hasn't done much since the first movie sequel came out, and he's one of Spidey's biggies. If they wanted to nominate someone from the Spider-verse into the squad here, I'd nominate Ock over Osborn, who has been SO overplayed since he returned a mere decade ago. Seriously, Revived Osborn made Venom look rare in terms of appearances.

Emma Frost seems weird, and I am sure Dr. Doom will suck. I have zero faith in Bendis, unless it is a random one-shot issue that is introspective with one character. Those types of stories he can still do alright. On average.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, Doc Ock has been downplayed for years. Used to be you couldn't read Spidey comics for more than 3 or 4 months without a Doc Ock appearance. Lately, he's all but disappeared since the hype for Spider-Man 2 died down. I'm kind of grateful given Ramos' god-awful redesign of his costume, but that could easily be fixed.

 

[fifthfiend]

I guess, but it's always confused me how Oscorp is still in his control after he's been publicly outed as the Goblin what, like 2 or 3 times now?

The Marvel Universe US Government only ever ****s over publicly outed superheroes, because the Marvel Universe US Government loves supervillains, because the Marvel Universe US Government has pretty much always been a syndicate of supervillains.

They keep a few Captain Americas around for PR because the plebs and proles eat that **** up, but they love ****bags like Norman Osborne from the bottom of their black hearts, because he is them.

We're talking about an entity that made the Red Skull the Secretary of Defense and nobody noticed. Do you think this is because the Red Skull is somehow an incredible master of impersonation? **** no! It's because the Red Skull does not act substantively different from anybody else in the Marvel US Government.

...They will dick over the Kingpin once in a while, because he's not their kind of people. But Normie? I mean for ****'s sake his name is Norman, that by itself is a lifetime membership pass for the Evil Yuppie Buddies Club.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, to be fair, the Red Skull disguised himself with that clever anagram of his name. No one suspects good ol' Dell Rusk. Even though I've never even heard of anyone named "Dell" anywhere else.

 

[fifthfiend]

Yeah, Doc Ock has been downplayed for years. Used to be you couldn't read Spidey comics for more than 3 or 4 months without a Doc Ock appearance. Lately, he's all but disappeared since the hype for Spider-Man 2 died down. I'm kind of grateful given Ramos' god-awful redesign of his costume, but that could easily be fixed.

They need to bring back 90s pimp-steppin' Ock, is what they need to do.

 

[fifthfiend]

Well, to be fair, the Red Skull disguised himself with that clever anagram of his name. No one suspects good ol' Dell Rusk. Even though I've never even heard of anyone named "Dell" anywhere else.

No I mean okay fair enough, I'm just saying even with that going for him it's basically a given that at least three or four times a day the dude burst out laughing "yes soon my plans shall come to fruition, and MY ENEMIES SHALL GROVEL AT MY FEET AND BEG FOR THE MERCY OF DEATH. Them, and then, THE ENTIRE WORLD!" And absolutely nobody noticed this, because everybody else working there does the exact same thing.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Probably. I bet he even threw some coffee away because his black coworkers had touched them with "those filthy, subhuman hands."

 

[fifthfiend]

I love picturing him having to work with the MU's Colin Powell.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Powell: So, clearly, the strategy here should utilize diplomacy more than force--
Rusk: Diplomacy is the hallmark of the weak, you genetic abomination!
Powell: Excuse me?!
Rusk: Uh... you're... absolutely right, my... distinguished colleague?
Powell: ... I've got my eye on you, Rusk.
Rusk: I quiver with fear knowing your entire pitiful race is prone to cataracts.
Powell: Okay, come on, nobody else heard that?
Dubya: Well, your eyesight ain't exactly in tip-top condition there, See Pee. Lookit them glasses you got on. Your Coke bottles got Coke bottles, am I right, Condie?!

 

[MyPokerShirt]

They need to bring back 90s pimp-steppin' Ock, is what they need to do.

lol! The first ever spidey issue I read was Doc Ock with the Stunner standing over Spider-Man's body. Awesome. That dark-tone, Bagley stuff with the scarlet spider was so bloomin' great. I think I would have loved to have been a serious spidey collector in the eighties/ early 90s. He was a hardcore adult superhero, not this regressed fun-loving 'classic' spidey we get now that Joe Q has decided I will like.

*sigh*... and they won't even collect the clone saga for me. Hot damn I'd buy it...

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I actually don't mind the fundamental look of the costume redesign. Just make it a brown coat with a green suit underneath, give him back his bowl cut, and make his glasses more like glasses and less like weird pods stuck to his face.

 

[Mutagen]

I like that idea too, but I prefer shaded goggles. He's fighting a super agile and super strong opponent who's might hit his face, a little thought about that seems like the smart thing to do. Either that or show that they actually get damaged once in a while.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Goggles are okay too, I guess. Just not those ugly triangle goggles he used to sport.

 

[The Question]

Goggles are okay too, I guess. Just not those ugly triangle goggles he used to sport.

Really, I would imagine, based on Ock's personality, that he would want to project the image of a cultured badass. Thus, I'm in favor of the coat and sunglasses look.


Also, does it offend you that I have a string urge to call you "TheCromulent?"

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Not at all. I read my name as "TheCrapulent1" a lot.

Anyway, the coat and glasses aren't bad. Like I said before, it's the leather/color scheme that screws it up. He's Doctor Octopus, not Morpheus.