Dark Reign: Good concept, bad execution

[The Overlord]

I like the concept of Dark Reign, super villains being in a position of power and the heroes on the run, but the execution has left me cold. Seriously the way Norman gained his position made no sense, what so ever, its like everyone in the Marvel universe is a drooling moron. Anyone agree or disagree?

 

[GNR]

I haven't read anything SI related except for the Thor and Herc arcs.

DR is definitely a great idea,but I can't comment on the execution since I never read SI.

However,Osborne as Stark's nemesis has been planted quite loosely since Civil War.In the Knaufs brilliant run on Iron Man last year,Osborne was featured many times as part of the CSA constantly questioning and undermining Stark's decisions and authority.In Ellis' Thunderbolts,Norman had a few lines about his disgust with Stark and how business was being handled.

 

[The Infernal]

Doubt we can seriously condemn it considering it's barely even started.

 

[The Overlord]

Doubt we can seriously condemn it considering it's barely even started.

Yes we can!

Seriously it may turn out to the a good story, but the method in which Norman gained his current position, is so contrieved, it kinda taints everything else.

 

[fifthfiend]

I like the concept of Dark Reign, super villains being in a position of power and the heroes on the run, but the execution has left me cold. Seriously the way Norman gained his position made no sense, what so ever, its like everyone in the Marvel universe is a drooling moron. Anyone agree or disagree?

A Bendis comic? Badly executed?

Inconceivable!

Doubt we can seriously condemn it considering it's barely even started.

I'm used to the whole deal where I'm not supposed to judge any ****** story in advance, no matter how blatantly and undeniably ****** their preview information and promotional materials reveal them to be, but this deal where I'm not supposed to judge ****** stories even after they've come out is kind of a new one.

 

[GNR]

You obviously haven't read Daredevil,Alias or Powers.

 

[fifthfiend]

You obviously haven't read Daredevil,Alias or Powers.

You have that post on a macro don't you? Like you just hit F8 on your keyboard and it automatically posts that for you.

Can I download the software for that? Does Bendis sell it on his website somewhere for you to use?

 

[WolfCypher]

I didn't think the execution was bad itself, considering how the Marvel Universe's inhabitants are commonly making the wrong calls all the times. Like how in real life it (was) popular to idolize beach-blond celebrity ****s, in the MU, its popular to favor the villain-turned-good, though they're still villains at heart than to trust the guys with the 10-20 year track records of being heroes.

The day I read that Thunderbolts issue where they were advertising Bullseye and Venom action figures was the day I knew the Marvel public had clearly lost it.

 

[Blader5489]

Bad execution, wtf? Nothing has even happened yet!

 

[mjdiddy1]

Dark Reign just kicked off. Give it a few issues before it gets condemned. I mean at least it's not Final Crisis

 

[The Overlord]

Bad execution, wtf? Nothing has even happened yet!

Norman Osborn became director of Hammer through the most contrieved circumstances possible, that's something that has happened.

You obviously haven't read Daredevil,Alias or Powers.

All of those are solo urban titles, Bendis can write those well, he can't write super hero team titles though.

 

[Mr. Green]

I haven't read anything SI related except for the Thor and Herc arcs.

DR is definitely a great idea,but I can't comment on the execution since I never read SI.

However,Osborne as Stark's nemesis has been planted quite loosely since Civil War.In the Knaufs brilliant run on Iron Man last year,Osborne was featured many times as part of the CSA constantly questioning and undermining Stark's decisions and authority.In Ellis' Thunderbolts,Norman had a few lines about his disgust with Stark and how business was being handled.

I know that for the most part you and I have very similar tastes in comics. That being said, I think you would really like SI.

I like the concept of Dark Reign, super villains being in a position of power and the heroes on the run, but the execution has left me cold. Seriously the way Norman gained his position made no sense, what so ever, its like everyone in the Marvel universe is a drooling moron. Anyone agree or disagree?

I disagree completely. I really liked SI a lot and come on, it's comics. It makes about as much sense as anything else. Osborne gets credit for the big kill while Stark takes the blame for the whole Skrull invasion. It's not like Osborne wasn't popular beforehand. If you read T-bolts when Ellis and Deodato were on it you would know that there were T-bolt action figures and the media was promoting them.

Besides, there's a lot about DA we don't even know yet so I wouldn't start trashing it just yet.

 

[Mr. Green]

All of those are solo urban titles, Bendis can write those well, he can't write super hero team titles though.

I hate when people say this. Yeah, he can. Have you read the New Avenger CW tie-ins. They're awesome. In fact, I enjoyed most of his New Avenger stuff a lot.

And why do you think his comics sell so well? Because everyone has bad taste but you? Nice try. SI was about as team-superhero a comic you can get and it not only sold incredibly well, but it was a badass comic as well.

 

[THANOSRULES]

I hate when people say this. Yeah, he can. Have you read the New Avenger CW tie-ins. They're awesome. In fact, I enjoyed most of his New Avenger stuff a lot.

And why do you think his comics sell so well? Because everyone has bad taste but you? Nice try. SI was about as team-superhero a comic you can get and it not only sold incredibly well, but it was a badass comic as well.

No dude he can't.

How many issues of NA have been solo hero stories (many of which did not even feature active members of the team), flashbacks, or stories without the full team present.

Even MA has suffered from this.

I saw the same **** with those CW tie ins. Even when Bendis does display the team together , they lack cohesion and the result is often awkward.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Not only did Osborn kill the Skrull queen but he also publicly saved Washington D.C., led one of the only teams who werent completely undermined right away by Skrulls because Osborn forced OsCorp tech rather than Stark tech into T-bolts mountain, and as a former sleazebag CEO was able to spin the media in his advantage.

Didnt he also blame all the Atlantean assaults on nanites? Did they ever reveal who was pulling his strings when he attacked the atlanteans? Im pretty sure they havent and it was the person Osborn alluded too as the man who would take out the rest of the dark illumaniti

 

[Mr. Green]

Like when?

 

[fifthfiend]

Nothing has even happened yet!

Exactly.

All of those are solo urban titles, Bendis can write those well

Bendis doesn't even write those well. Daredevil treaded water where it didn't outright fall apart for its last 6 arcs and Powers is a running joke where the punchline is that anyone is enough of a sucker to pay money for it.

 

[Mr. Green]

You should write for Marvel then. You obviously know a lot more about writing comics than one of their highest paid writers.

 

[Obi-Ron]

I think they should have called it "Chocolate Reign"

 

[GNR]

Bendis doesn't even write those well. Daredevil treaded water where it didn't outright fall apart for its last 6 arcs and Powers is a running joke where the punchline is that anyone is enough of a sucker to pay money for it.

Yea,I doubt you've even read any those.Let me know what comics you're reading,I want to know what it's like to have bad taste.

Troll.

 

[Mr. Green]

Yea,I doubt you've even read any those.Let me know what comics you're reading,I want to know what it's like to have bad taste.

Troll.

Exactly.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Oblviously the execution to a story that's barely even gotten past one issue is horrible

 

[fifthfiend]

Yea,I doubt you've even read any those.

Oh man, you're just adorable.

I want to know what it's like to have bad taste.

Yeah um, we've already established you've got a ****load of that.

You go buy the **** out of that copy of Powers dude, I'mma keep wasting my money on books that are 'fun', and you know, well written with interesting characters and engaging storytelling.

 

[The Overlord]

I hate when people say this. Yeah, he can. Have you read the New Avenger CW tie-ins. They're awesome. In fact, I enjoyed most of his New Avenger stuff a lot.

And why do you think his comics sell so well? Because everyone has bad taste but you? Nice try. SI was about as team-superhero a comic you can get and it not only sold incredibly well, but it was a badass comic as well.

First populairity does not equal quality.

Second SI also very poorly reviewed by many critics.

There sop many forced plot points in these events, all these villains working for Hood and merely defering him, Norman getting this position, Namor using Bendis speak, etc.

Not only did Osborn kill the Skrull queen but he also publicly saved Washington D.C., led one of the only teams who werent completely undermined right away by Skrulls because Osborn forced OsCorp tech rather than Stark tech into T-bolts mountain, and as a former sleazebag CEO was able to spin the media in his advantage.

So what, if OJ Simpson shot Osama bin Laden on national TV, we wouldn't give him federal authority. Gobby was caught on camera threatenng to kill 18 people if Spidey didn't gut himself before he got arrested, that's the kind thing that would be all over youtube and discussed by pundits, no matter of spin would make it go away.

 

[cerealkiller182]

So what, if OJ Simpson shot Osama bin Laden on national TV, we wouldn't give him federal authority. Gobby was caught on camera threatenng to kill 18 people if Spidey didn't gut himself before he got arrested, that's the kind thing that would be all over youtube and discussed by pundits, no matter of spin would make it go away.

Bad example, OJ also doesnt have any experience, where Gobby was part of the CSA and was quite successful there. I think you underestimate the power of fear. If President Bush killed bin Laden on national tv weeks after 9/11 I think we'd be looking at a much different popularity than we are now. It was a gut reaction to a tragic event which I am sure isnt going to go over as smoothly as everyone is implying, like the entire country is just blindly following Osborn like a bunch of zombies. He wasnt exactly voted into position, he was appointed.

But do people actually know he was Green Goblin. I was under the impression that all of that was swept under the rug by SHIELD.