Days of Future Past Days of Future Past News and Discussion - - Part 47

[SuperT]

Come on, that wasn't a swipe at DOFP at all. A lot of studio's are trying to make superhero movies way too serious and just trying to emulate the success of TDK trilogy.

The material in DOFP made it impossible for it not to have a very serious and somber tone. That doesn't mean EVERY X-Men movie will/should be that way.

 

[def28]

Yeah. DOFP also had quite a bit of humor this go around, and one of the funniest/crowd pleasing characters on screen this year. Possibly for the X-Men series itself. Lots of upbeat and humorous moments in this flick considering the dark nature of the plot actually.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Having part of mansion sequenze as deleted scene hints at none of it being in
Rogue cut.

That 1 scene maybe, That would mean the stuff with wolverine and mystique won't ever be seen, the stuff with mystique and hank wont ever be seen and the cerebro stuff won't ever be seen because of a 2 minute deleted scene from the sequence

 

[marvelrobbins]

I kind of saw that comment by Vaughn could be seen as slight dig at DOFP
because with exception of DCCU and Dark Knight trilogy before X-Men is
considered the more serious Comic Book films.The lighter moments In DOFP mostly come during the Quicksilver scenes.

Amzing Spider-man 2 has many campy things with regards to electro and Rhino and Dr Kafka.

As for rogue cut the scene released showed how Mystique ended up at mansion.

Also Kinberg said rogue cut would add 10 minutes back into film.10 Minutes could easily amount to Xavier,Magneto,and ICeman going to rescue rogue,Iceman's original death,rogue in jet and temple.

 

[GuestStar2004]

As for rogue cut the scene released showed how Mystique ended up at mansion.

Also Kinberg said rogue cut would add 10 minutes back into film.10 Minutes could easily amount to Xavier,Magneto,and ICeman going to rescue rogue,Iceman's original death,rogue in jet and temple.

wel then thats just means that singer only put 2 minutes of that sequence in the deleted scenes and we won't see the other parts of this sequence, well unless they have separate deleted scenes on the rogue cut but then thats abit silly then

it also depends how close the mystique stuff was with the rogue stuff, if they include logan waking up saying rogues name then that is closely followed by hank entering saying raven has gone

and they ain't hiding the scene very well and we all know its not on the current blue ray

 

[hoy-small-fry]

probably not, the theatrical cut will always the definitive version

I think that'll be a fan-by-fan choice. The Rogue version certainly makes no difference to the journey/the end result. It's just a straight swap-in and a swap-out in essence

And I don't think Vaughn was taking a stab at DOFP. The film had plenty of light-hearted moments

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I always felt rogues removal actually changed quite a bit... the whole premise of the sentinels using mystiques dna only never made any sense considering she can only change form and not duplicate abilities.

 

[Super Film]

I always felt rogues removal actually changed quite a bit... the whole premise of the sentinels using mystiques dna only never made any sense considering she can only change form and not duplicate abilities.

Agreed. There's a moment in the opening scene involving the initial encounters with Sentinels that strongly implied Rogue's DNA's involvement. When the Sentinel stops Colossus' punch and holding onto his hand, develops the same steely skin. Now I'm sure plenty of us on the boards can explain that all away as the plot stands now, but it still feels like a remnant of a plot that involved experimentations using Rogue's DNA.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Agreed. There's a moment in the opening scene involving the initial encounters with Sentinels that strongly implied Rogue's DNA's involvement. When the Sentinel stops Colossus' punch and holding onto his hand, develops the same steely skin. Now I'm sure plenty of us on the boards can explain that all away as the plot stands now, but it still feels like a remnant of a plot that involved experimentations using Rogue's DNA.

Honestly it was the biggest plot hole of the film to me.. the sentinel primes clearly copied abilities... which is what made them extra deadly and very dangerous. The emphasis was on mystique and her dna which.... honestly cant be much of anything the prime sentinels only showed mystiques ability when shifting between power sets. The whole idea of mystiques dna should have just been cut from the film, and it should just of been her actions that lead to the future, not her genetic makeup, because its clearly rogues ability that was actually more of a weapon for the sentinels.

 

[x-er]

I agree, Rogue's power is so awesome.

 

[Storm22]

Agreed. I think we'll find out, in the Rogue cut of the movie, that it was actually a combination of Rogue and Mystique's DNA that created the future Sentinels, hence why Rogue was in captivity. The ability to shapeshift and absorb mutants powers - a lethal combination.

 

[hoy-small-fry]

There's nothing in the script that acknowledges that aspect. Nothing at all. But its certainly an inference that that is the case, and I think it still works in the film as is. They used Rogue's ability as part of an upgrade, but none of the characters know that. Certainly Bishop never sees it happen, so he can't relay that development.

As a sidenote, just watched DOFP with my mum. She's always really enjoyed the X-Men films, so I always watch it with her when I visit home with a new film. And she loved it! They really did get this one right

 

[spideyboy_1111]

There's nothing in the script that acknowledges that aspect. Nothing at all. But its certainly an inference that that is the case, and I think it still works in the film as is. They used Rogue's ability as part of an upgrade, but none of the characters know that. Certainly Bishop never sees it happen, so he can't relay that development.

As a sidenote, just watched DOFP with my mum. She's always really enjoyed the X-Men films, so I always watch it with her when I visit home with a new film. And she loved it! They really did get this one right

idk, one of my friends who owns the script, has said she's been held hostage for years in the X-mansion, in cerebro. which is why Xavier could never pick her up on his telepathy. So that's where bobby suggest they look to find her. Why would she be held captive alone like that for so many years and not be a valuable asset for the sentinels? If im not mistaken in his script it also does state they experimented on Rogue for the upgrade. It makes absolutely no sense for the sentinels to have the ability they do otherwise.

 

[Snikt]

idk, one of my friends who owns the script, has said she's been held hostage for years in the X-mansion, in cerebro. which is why Xavier could never pick her up on his telepathy. So that's where bobby suggest they look to find her. Why would she be held captive alone like that for so many years and not be a valuable asset for the sentinels? If im not mistaken in his script it also does state they experimented on Rogue for the upgrade. It makes absolutely no sense for the sentinels to have the ability they do otherwise.

It was more to do with Mystique's DNA being able to adapt. In this case, her ability to adapt her cells and appearance into that of others appearance.

That was the first step in Trask industries quest. With a little tweaking they took her powers of adapting appearance, into being able to adapt to the various powers.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

It was more to do with Mystique's DNA being able to adapt. In this case, her ability to adapt her cells and appearance into that of others appearance.

That was the first step in Trask industries quest. With a little tweaking they took her powers of adapting appearance, into being able to adapt to the various powers.

you just described darwin, not mystique

That sounds like contrived and forced jargon. In order to tell the story they want to tell. If they want to go the route, at all... they should have made the swntinels shape shift. Thats her only ability aside from physical (appearance and slow aging)

 

[hoy-small-fry]

Yes she's been held hostage, but we don't need to know that for it to still happen. It's implied that the Sentinels have progressed thankks to captured mutants that have been experimented upon. Doesn't take a genius to work out it's Rogue's power when they adapt. The Rogue scenes just spell it out rather than being a new factor

 

[X-Maniac]

I don't think the general audience will worry about Rogue's power not being incorporated.

The Blu-ray extras about the Sentinels confirm that the primary focus was on using Mystique and her power of mimicry. The future Sentinels even look like Mystique.

While it's probably true in X-Men lore that assuming the appearance of steel or diamond or fire doesn't replicate the exact powers/abilities of the substance, they took liberties with that for the movie. Or maybe the Sentinels were able to take Mystique's ability to another level where the transformed appearance is much closer to what it's replicating.

Besides, Mystique's replication does give at least some of the properties - she used her version of Wolverine's claws to cut through metal and close the door in the fight at the Statue of Liberty. The claws were later hacked off by Wolverine's true adamantium but her claws still had considerable strength of their own.

 

[psyonic]

The Sentinels' mimicry were only physical.. they didn't replicate Blink's tp, Storm's weather manipulation or any powers that weren't physical mutations so I can buy that they based their mimicry off of Mystique. Had they used Rogue's mutation as a source, it would have worked as well and the Sentinels would have been that much more powerful being able to teleport via Blink's powers.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I disagree. They used Fire and Ice projection. Things Mystique can't do.

 

[Great Mind(s)]

But why else would they keep Rogue alive and not dump her body with the rest? They're experimenting on her for a reason...

 

[psylockolussus]

Yeah I'm sure they were!

 

[Legion]

But Rogue requires physical contact in order to use a mutant's power. Also leaving the target mutant weakened.

The Sentinels in the beginning didn't need to touch iceman or sunspot to access their powers.

There was no mutant around with rock or diamond powers in the final battle yet the Sentinels still used those abilities.

From First Class we already know that Hank believed that Mystique's DNA was special and that it held the key to understanding mutation itself.

Trask saw that too and believed studying her DNA would advance his research. The sentinels aren't literally supposed to be Mystique robots.

Also throwing Rogue into the Sentinel recipe just makes the plot more convoluted. Obviously any experimentation on Rogue was more recent than the experimentation on Mystique. The Sentinels are very strong even without the "Rogue" power. In the final battle only Sunspot got that special treatment. The rest were killed by their "standard" weapons.

So why is this upgrade needed when the mutant population is already near extinction?

Why go back all the way to the 70s when it's Rogue's DNA that is responsible for enemies that can adapt to any opponent?

Plus the deleted scenes prove that it was possible to free Rogue. Wouldn't a time travel mission to prevent Rogue from ever being captured with the future roster and cooperative Magneto be more viable than the 70s mission?

 

[EnDz0n3]

But Rogue requires physical contact in order to use a mutant's power. Also leaving the target mutant weakened.

The Sentinels in the beginning didn't need to touch iceman or sunspot to access their powers.

There was no mutant around with rock or diamond powers in the final battle yet the Sentinels still used those abilities.

From First Class we already know that Hank believed that Mystique's DNA was special and that it held the key to understanding mutation itself.

Trask saw that too and believed studying her DNA would advance his research. The sentinels aren't literally supposed to be Mystique robots.

Also throwing Rogue into the Sentinel recipe just makes the plot more convoluted. Obviously any experimentation on Rogue was more recent than the experimentation on Mystique. The Sentinels are very strong even without the "Rogue" power. In the final battle only Sunspot got that special treatment. The rest were killed by their "standard" weapons.

So why is this upgrade needed when the mutant population is already near extinction?

Why go back all the way to the 70s when it's Rogue's DNA that is responsible for enemies that can adapt to any opponent?

Plus the deleted scenes prove that it was possible to free Rogue. Wouldn't a time travel mission to prevent Rogue from ever being captured with the future roster and cooperative Magneto be more viable than the 70s mission?

They have already hinted at Rogue, at one point, being experimented on and kept in the Cerebro room.

From a box office standpoint, it was more viable to make recent Oscar Winner and Media Darling Jennifer Lawrence's Mystique be at the center of the plot.

That said, you would have to be naive to think this wasn't the main reason why she and her powers were put in the spotlight (and unfortunately not Rogue/Anna) and not because it made a whole whack of sense, plot and character-wise.

 

[psylockolussus]

But Rogue requires physical contact in order to use a mutant's power. Also leaving the target mutant weakened.

The Sentinels in the beginning didn't need to touch iceman or sunspot to access their powers.

There was no mutant around with rock or diamond powers in the final battle yet the Sentinels still used those abilities.

I already said this before, but Trask Industries were highly advanced. They might have already found a way for the Sentinels to mimic mutant powers' without physical contact. Also they already used a lot of mutants for experimentation, so who knows how many mutant DNAs were transferred to the Sentinels. Also if the Sentinels can scan who are mutants and not, why can't they scan mutant powers too right?

 

[Legion]

I already said this before, but Trask Industries were highly advanced. They might have already found a way for the Sentinels to mimic mutant powers' without physical contact. Also they already used a lot of mutants for experimentation, so who knows how many mutant DNAs were transferred to the Sentinels. Also if the Sentinels can scan who are mutants and not, why can't they scan mutant powers too right?

Oh so you mean they enhanced Mystique's power to imitate abilities as well as appearances?