Daywalker films:The Blade thread

[redisnotbrown]

well in all honesty

blade 3 was a disgrace

after 1 and 2 which were badasss

i was pissed off

anyhows
its called blade trinity,
so technically blade 3 hasnt been released

they should make a proper blade 3 and call it Blade 3.

feck blade trinity,as far as a lot of people are concerned it doesnt exist in the continuity of the series

lets have the real blade 3!!

 

[Advanced Dark]

well in all honesty

blade 3 was a disgrace

after 1 and 2 which were badasss

i was pissed off

anyhows
its called blade trinity,
so technically blade 3 hasnt been released

they should make a proper blade 3 and call it Blade 3.

feck blade trinity,as far as a lot of people are concerned it doesnt exist in the continuity of the series

lets have the real blade 3!!

They really should do a Blade: Apocalypse. Why Goyer didn't stick with the TV series as an origin vehicle I don't know. That pisses me off. It is what it is so let's home the TV series is good and if Snipes doesn't come back then maybe the TV series will spin off a new round of films that will get some big financing. Nobody knows yet. Snipes as far as I know is still trying to get Black Panther going and now that it has financing he very well may get his wish.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I would love a Blade 4, a proper send off is needed IMO.

 

[Golgo-13]

Anyone know if the Blade:Trinity score is available anywhere? Not the soundtrack but the score itself. I love the tune they played when Blade is first seen coming out of the warehouse in Trinity...i think The Rza of the Wu Tang Clan did the beats....

 

[BDOUBLEO]

Anyone know if the Blade:Trinity score is available anywhere? Not the soundtrack but the score itself. I love the tune they played when Blade is first seen coming out of the warehouse in Trinity...i think The Rza of the Wu Tang Clan did the beats....

New Line scrapped it from coming out after B: Trinity did sh!!tty at the US box office. On the actual soundtrack they have that track on there. I think its towards the end. They have some instrumental tracks on the soundtrack ass well.

 

[Morgoth]

It really ticks me off how bad they ruined Dracula. He should've been big , kind of a thinner build, with long hair, or just some more hair than what he had. He looked like an idiot. That was not Dracula. What a shame that the ultimate vampire hunter didn't get to battle the ultimate vampire.

 

[Morgoth]

Anyone have a pic of Frost from the comics?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It really ticks me off how bad they ruined Dracula. He should've been big , kind of a thinner build, with long hair, or just some more hair than what he had. He looked like an idiot. That was not Dracula. What a shame that the ultimate vampire hunter didn't get to battle the ultimate vampire.

I know, i find it very hard to watch Trinity without getting pissed off with Drake.

 

[CHEZ]

Drakeula was a disaster, the actor was terrible. He looked really stupid.
Blade was terribly misused. Whistler was terribly mistreated. How could they just kill him off like that with no real homage to the character? It was awful.
The Nightstalkers was a seriously over-rated concept by the studio, they were hoping for a spin off and it blew up in their faces. Deservedly so. They completely disregarded the Blade character. He was almost a supporting character in his own movie. Snipes apparently really fought his way through the making of this movie. He knew he was be railroaded.
David Goyer is an over-rated writer. He really is not that good. He's ok.

Blade Trinity could have been so much better.
I bought the dvd cause I still enjoy watching Snipes in the role, and there are some really good action moments in the movie. I also thought Parker Posey was excellent in her role. She was sickly and sexy at the same time. Perfect vampire.

Jessica Biel and Ryan Reynolds looked amazing in the movie, but after watching the movie a few times they become very very annoying. Especially Reynolds. They were way over-used and were really not that interesting. Too much joking. (I can see Reynolds making a good Wally West/Flash though.)

It's not the worst movie, but it definitely is the worst of the three.

 

[Golgo-13]

What also pisses me off about the extras in the movie is that there is hardly any behind the scene footage of Snipes. Are these studios forgetting the name of this flick was Blade-and that that's the reason we went to see the movie...?

I mean come on, listen to the commmentary and the behind the scenes extras-every 5 seconds the producers, stunt guys and everyone else who opened their mouths on these documentaries were praising Ryan and Jessica..."Oh Jessica was so great...Oh, Ryan was incredible...blah, blah, blah........." it got ****ing sickening after a while.....where was Snipes..?

And one more thing Amen Ra is the company that produced the Blade films which is Wesley's company. That's why he gets listed as a producer. Why then didn't he have more control over the way things turned out in Trinity?

If you listen to the commentary during the scene where Blade and Abagail were at the Blood bank, and Blade calls that guy a Mutha-****er, Goyer said "He (Snipes) was probably talking to me!"...so you can tell there was tension between them on set as Snipes didn't do commentary on the flick, and i got the vibe that everyone that did do commentary knew not to mention too much about Snipes because he's hardly discussed...go figure...it's a Blade movie after all!

 

[deemar325]

^ I noticed that also.

 

[KenK]

Even the punk-ass director of photography, Gabriel Berinstien, made a crack about Wesley during the commentary he sat in on. It's amazing how much a lot of people **** on him, especially with how much he's put into these movies.

Blade Trinity saddens me, because Goyer had been there since day one, and I thought the idea of him actually directing a Blade film made perfect sense. And yeah, listening to him and Snipes on the Blade 2 Commentary, you'd swear they had a good relationship professionally. But Trinity proved that Goyer should stick to writing, and even the script for Trinity left a little to be desired. My whole thing is, how is his movie costing ten million more than Blade 2 and looking cheaper than the first Blade, which cost twenty million less!! Furthermore, Goyer ignores the continuity he helped create!! Why do the vampires ALWAYS LOOK LIKE VAMPIRES in Trinity?!? Why is their no vampire hierarchy or even any acknowledgment of Damiskinos' death affecting the vampire nation? Why is Blade surprised when Whistler tells him about his "friends" hooking him up with the serum inhaler. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Blade pick up the serum from someone OTHER THAN WHISTLER in the first film? Even by Whistler's own admission, in the first film, "Blade, Myself, and a few others. . . " Why is Blade so shocked that there's a whole network of hunters out there besides him? These are things you wouldn't expect from the writer of ALL THREE FILMS!! Not to mention, "Blade Trinity"-Blade seems to be a bit slow. He shoots a guy he thinks is a vampire. Even if he thinks he's a vampire(mind you, going back to the first film, Blade's supposed to have a keen sense about who's a vampire and who isn't), is he really so stupid that he asks the dying man who turns out to be human why he's not ash after being staked with silver? Does he look like a reaper?!? NO!

And while I still like Ryan Reynolds in general, you have to wonder how much of Goyer's semen he had to swallow to get such a commanding presence in the film. Goyer should have had Blade punch him out during the rescue scene when King calls Blade "Blackula", which was part of the screenplay.

Blade 2's badass standing will hold because of the classic scene where he meets the Bloodpack.

"You've been training for two years to talk me out. . .and now, here I am! OOOOO, so exciting, isn't it?!"

"Now you've got an explosive device stuck to the back of your head!"

Tell me that scene isn't priceless!

 

[CHEZ]

Even the punk-ass director of photography, Gabriel Berinstien, made a crack about Wesley during the commentary he sat in on. It's amazing how much a lot of people **** on him, especially with how much he's put into these movies.

Blade Trinity saddens me, because Goyer had been there since day one, and I thought the idea of him actually directing a Blade film made perfect sense. And yeah, listening to him and Snipes on the Blade 2 Commentary, you'd swear they had a good relationship professionally. But Trinity proved that Goyer should stick to writing, and even the script for Trinity left a little to be desired. My whole thing is, how is his movie costing ten million more than Blade 2 and looking cheaper than the first Blade, which cost twenty million less!! Furthermore, Goyer ignores the continuity he helped create!! Why do the vampires ALWAYS LOOK LIKE VAMPIRES in Trinity?!? Why is their no vampire hierarchy or even any acknowledgment of Damiskinos' death affecting the vampire nation? Why is Blade surprised when Whistler tells him about his "friends" hooking him up with the serum inhaler. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Blade pick up the serum from someone OTHER THAN WHISTLER in the first film? Even by Whistler's own admission, in the first film, "Blade, Myself, and a few others. . . " Why is Blade so shocked that there's a whole network of hunters out there besides him? These are things you wouldn't expect from the writer of ALL THREE FILMS!! Not to mention, "Blade Trinity"-Blade seems to be a bit slow. He shoots a guy he thinks is a vampire. Even if he thinks he's a vampire(mind you, going back to the first film, Blade's supposed to have a keen sense about who's a vampire and who isn't), is he really so stupid that he asks the dying man who turns out to be human why he's not ash after being staked with silver? Does he look like a reaper?!? NO!

And while I still like Ryan Reynolds in general, you have to wonder how much of Goyer's semen he had to swallow to get such a commanding presence in the film. Goyer should have had Blade punch him out during the rescue scene when King calls Blade "Blackula", which was part of the screenplay.

Blade 2's badass standing will hold because of the classic scene where he meets the Bloodpack.

"You've been training for two years to talk me out. . .and now, here I am! OOOOO, so exciting, isn't it?!"

"Now you've got an explosive device stuck to the back of your head!"

Tell me that scene isn't priceless!

You are so right.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Goyer is waayyy over-rated as a writer. And Snipes totally got screwed on Trinity.
It really is a damn shame.
It's funny, Goyer did ressurect and save a great Marvel character, but he also destroyed it too.
Let's see how the series turns out.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Trinity is so far behind the first two movies in so many aspects. I mean, when cutting this movie together, did Goyer not realise it was actually a BAD movie. Hes able to acknowledge that the Crow 2 was a bad movie, but he cant see that Trinity is. I dont mind King or Abigail, but they are nothing compared to Blade, a great character who we all came to see. Blade II had just as many if not more characters, but Blade stayed the main focus throughout the movie.

 

[BDOUBLEO]

Yes Snipes got shafted big time he knew what was going on. You can tell even before Blade Trinity finish filming by the interviews Goyer was talking about Nightstalker spinoff the whole time. Snipes knew what they was doing. New Line and other producers wanted this movie to become the Nightstalker's prequal so they can make a new franchise to get that younger MTV/WWE crowd.

All the producers and Goyer were just saying how difficult Snipes is to work with since he's a method actor. I heard there were problems on the sets of Blade 1 & 2 as well but how come those movies came out good? because everybody involved in the first 2 flicks were on the same page to make a kick asss flick. In Trinity you can tell everybody wasn't on the same page and it shows. What the hell did Goyer do with all that money for the budget. Like Ken K said that movie looks more like a TV movie then anything. lol.

 

[KenK]

Trinity is so far behind the first two movies in so many aspects. I mean, when cutting this movie together, did Goyer not realise it was actually a BAD movie. Hes able to acknowledge that the Crow 2 was a bad movie, but he cant see that Trinity is. I dont mind King or Abigail, but they are nothing compared to Blade, a great character who we all came to see. Blade II had just as many if not more characters, but Blade stayed the main focus throughout the movie.

Goyer will sooner call out Crow 2 for being a bad movie because he didn't direct it. He doesn't want to admit how bad he failed at directing a film in a franchise that had developed such a cult following.

My whole thing is just how stiff Blade became in Trinity. He was so much more relaxed and actually had fun in Blade 2. Yeah, you could blame the stiffness on Snipes, but I think he would have been more responsive if him and Goyer could have worked out the direction of the film. Say what you want, but Snipes MADE these films what they are. Of course credit is due to Norrington, Del Toro, and even Goyer, but bottom line, Snipes brought quality. The man's not just an action star, he's a proven actor, even in dramatic films, and it shows in the first two Blade movies. He agreed to co-produce the movie, brought in the fight coordinators and is even credited as a fight coordinator for the first two films. He completely immersed himself in the character and had been happy to play him. And all this only came about because he was waiting for Black Panther to move forward, and nothing was happening. If Snipes says something's not working, I'd trust him. And he was right! Aside from Reynolds and his endless one-liners, no one cared about no damn Nighstalkers. I commend the two actors for putting in all that work training, especially Reynolds, but other than that, their characters had no development, and Abigail could have been anyone and it would have been better than saying she's Whistler's daughter. Aside from not even bothering to explain the circumstances under which she was "born out of wedlock", Goyer couldn't even get Kristofferson and Biel on screen together?!? Abigail remembers a conversation her and Whistler had, and Goyer uses footage of Whistler from the first film where he was explaining Blade's situation to Karen. That's just cheap and a sign of lazy storytelling!

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I know, why use a flashback sequence for Abi, from the first movie when all of the fans would know he was talking to Karen Jensen. Do they think we are stupid and wouldnt remember? Not to mention the fact that Whistler is doing EXACTLY the same action from the first movie during the flashback. How lazy is that!!!!!!

 

[Golgo-13]

Yeah i forgot the budget for Trinity was more than the other 2. You wouldn't know that by looking at it. They probably used the extra cash to line Reynolds and Biel's pockets with. They(the studio) were surely wooing these two to do a spin off from the get go, so giving them a nice paycheck for Trinity was probably a way of reeling them in. Also the producers damn sure didn't spend any money on the fight choreography because the fights notable sucked in this flick. There were no signature moves that made you say 'Damn' like in the first 2 flicks. Reynolds and Biel fighting looked ridiculous and rehearsed. You can tell they are not martial artist as they're body movement didn't look as natural and Snipe's does.

I can whine about this movie for hours...it truly saddens me....not to mention that it was released during the holiday season, when everybody is in the Christmas/family/Giving mood...and blood, gore and vampires is not really appealling to many at such a time...*sigh*

...oh, and one more thing. Abigails reasons for hunting vamps completely sucked. Whistler was her father and he lived, until Trinity. Her Mother lived-as she was born out of wed-lock, so all the vamps took of her's was her half brother and sisters (Whistler's original family)...who she never even met! So her passion for hunting Vamps is a bit ridiculous imo...

 

[The_Guyver]

I think Goyer was someone embarassed to include Dracula and had to try and make him hip and cool and different from the traditional red-caped, neatly groomed gentleman with fangs. Shame really, because that's exactly what Dracula in The Tomb of Dracula IS like, and that is one of the, if not the, best portrayal of Dracula outside Stoker's novel.

And you know what, Dracula's classic outfit from Tomb of Dracula would've made a great contrast to Blade's outfit.

Both went for the black outfits, Dracula's looked very old-fashioned and gentleman-like, and Blade's ultra-modern. It would've been cool to see Dracula suit up in his knight armour for his duel with Blade.

Another interesting similarity would've been that Dracula's cape was black on the outside and red on the inside, just like Blade's trench coat.

 

[KenK]

And if they had to explain Abigail's origins more thoroughly, say her mother was a vampire hunter who got romantically involved with Whistler after his family died. Like I said before, the first film established by Whistler's own admission that there were hunters other than him and Blade, and again, Blade got his serum from someone other than Whistler, so it's not much to assume he's part of the network.

And on the subject of Karen Jensen, don't you think reintroducing her character would have made more sense than creating Somerfield, and making her blind for no conceivable reason whatsoever? Again, the end of Blade has him telling Karen she should make him a better serum? Storywise, it would have made for an interesting conflict to have the two reunite in Trinity. Who would assume, having seen the first film, that Karen went back to a regular life after her encounter with Blade? I figure she started thinking like them and keeping informed. Eventually reunited with Whistler after the events of Blade 2 and was partnered up with Abigail. She'd be the leader, in a non-field capacity, but still the one in charge. Revisit the dynamic between her and Blade from the first film. Put more focus on Blade.

See, this is what I'm taking about! The tragedy of Blade Trinity is how poorly Goyer mines his own continuity. To an extent, he doesn't mine it at all. He seemed intent on spoofing Blade, with his cast littered with primarily comedic actors, as well as his execution of everything else in the film.

It just seems like his work on comic book based films has just been a means to an end. He's never liked the Batman films, and it just seems like, in retrospect, his work on dark, brooding comic book characters has been nothing but a means to an end, that being hired to work on a Batman movie. He even admits his focus was split between working on the Batman Begins script and directing Trinity. You can obviously see where most of his effort went.

 

[CHEZ]

Did anyone notice that Drake has a watch on his right wrist?
So, after several hundred years he's going to wake up and get himself a watch?
He's immortal, can walk in daylight, he very likely would not care to have a watch. Plus, I just can't see Dracula checking his watch for time. Oh well.....


Oh and one more thing, Blade did not defeat the Drake/Monster, the blind girl did, with her serum invention. Without her, Blade would not have been able to destroy Drake. So, as they say in the movie "Truth is, it starts with Blade and ends with him" If you really think about it, all Blade did was distribute a serum, he didn't create it, the blind girl did, and without it Blade wouldn't have known what to do. So, it ends with the blind girl. That stupid, lame, pathetic blind girl. A character I didn't care for one bit.

Goyer justifies this by having Drake tell Blade Ahh, I have not lost because you exist, you: the new species. He says something along those lines.
But all the vampires are destroyed, what, does he think Blade is going to create a new species of Vampire? It's over man...over!

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Its unbelievable how much Goyer missed from his own two scripts, and i totally agree with all of your point Kenk, especially about Karen Jensen, it would have been great to see her again and it would have made things interesting.

 

[Golgo-13]

I noticed one other thing. Hannibal saids that the vamps dug drake up about six months ago in Iraq, right..... So how come Danica first goes into the vault, where Drake is feeding on those girls, as if they've just met for the first time since Drakes awakening? Had Drake been in the vault for six damn months? I don't think so. The continuity in the script is all ****ed up...



...also on the commentaries for Blade 2 & 3 Goyer and others continually complement how much better the ashing effects look on the 2nd and 3rd films...i don't agree. I think the ashing in the original Blade looks way better. In Blade 1, the ashing showed more bone detail, which looked cool. Also the ashing effect spread for the point of impact from the stake and then gradually spread to the rest of the body (a good example of this is when Blade stabs his mom). In 2 & 3, no matter what part of the body Blade stakes the vamp, it's entire body starts to ash simultaneously. I never liked that.

What do you guys think?

 

[deemar325]

^ I think your right on man!

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I personally think the ashing effects in Blade II were the best, especially at the start, when he jumps from the building falls three stories, lands, pulls out his guns and shoots that guy, quality ashing there.