DC Animated - All-Star Superman

[Mr. Earle]

Hints:

- Leo and Lex look about the same except for the hair (wig?) and glasses. Doesnt it remind you of Clark and Superman?
- Same coats. Leo's hints at what he saw with SM's powers.
- "I'm trying to escape from a doomed world too, Superman... It's called the past." said Leo in the book.
- Leo's assistant has a hairdo that resembles the helmet that Lex's niece wears at the final scene.
- The monkey is called Leopold. Coincidence in a Morrison book? I think not.
- Superman already trusted Leo. They arent strangers. Why would he ask him whether he trusts him with such an important thing if not to underline the importance of Superman's gesture?
- "Did you ever think that it would end like this?" "Actually yes Lex, i expected it to be just like this" as in: "Well yeah Lex, i can read your DNA and it just so happens that you have the same DNA with Leo. So i'm expecting you to turn good at some point."
- "You could have saved the world YEARS ago if your tried, Lex".
- Why create a new professor and not have Hamilton who is the established science guy in SM lore?

I might be forgetting some.

 

[Drz]

Maybe redeemed isn't the best word to use. Understanding, perhaps?

But isn't it amazing that fans are still trying to argue againts me even after the special features that i just talked about? Grant Morrison tells Bruce Timm how much he liked the ending because it redeems Lex Luthor.

Not to mention if Lex is Leo in the comic, he isn't redeeming himself but being a villain. Morrison's timetravel is linear and he can't change the past, so if Lex came from the past to get himself near the sun, he just killed Superman and duplicated his serum.

Lex luthor is a villain thruouth the comic but in the movie he is redeemed.

 

[Lencho01]

But isn't it amazing that fans are still trying to argue againts me even after the special features that i just talked about? Grant Morrison tells Bruce Timm how much he liked the ending because it redeems Lex Luthor.

Not to mention if Lex is Leo in the comic, he isn't redeeming himself but being a villain. Morrison's timetravel is linear and he can't change the past, so if Lex came from the past to get himself near the sun, he just killed Superman and duplicated his serum.

Lex luthor is a villain thruouth the comic but in the movie he is redeemed.

I can still see why one would think Leo=Lex. But, like you said, Morrison liked the Timm and co. changed the ending to redeem Lex.

I still think Lex just simply understood how Superman views everything and gave up being his normal evil self. Like I said before, Superman knows about his future and the Superman Squad through his DP warning and meeting the other Superman. So, it's obvious he'll be able to have kids somehow. He knows Leo isn't evil since Leo has shown that he's been trying to find some way to replace Superman if things didn't work out for him.

 

[DIRECTOR]

i just saw the movie............. i don't get it

 

[Mr. Earle]

What dont you get?

 

[Lencho01]

i just saw the movie............. i don't get it

What's not to get?

 

[Longshot777]

In the comic book.....


Did he actually come back to life at the end???

And if he did....


Is there any explanation on how he came back to life??

 

[Mr. Earle]

Well in the end Superman was turning into energy and all that energy reignited the sun, so you could say that he died fixing it. Lois was refusing to believe it and trying to convince herself that he would returne once he was done.

The thing is that in the book we see that when Clark was a teenager he was visited by some of his descendants, one of which was a golden Superman who gave him that immortal flower for Jonathan's grave that you also saw in the movie. Its not revealed who this is, but in DC One Million, another of Morrison's books (seriously, read it its great), we see that the golden Superman is actually Clark of the 853rd century. He became like that because he spent centuries in isolation in his new fortress of solitude at the heart of the sun.

Being the eternal optimist that he is, i think that Morrison showed us what happens to Clark in All-Star by giving him the ending of DC One Million, even if the former isnt cannon but the latter is. Besides, All-Star is a combination of various Superman stories, isnt it? I'm guessing that Clark didnt die and sometime later he was healed by the sun and was able to get out of it.

 

[Mr. Earle]

What's the ending of DC One Million you say? Well Golden Superman (who is like 100000 times more powerful that his present self) gets a GL ring (as if he needed it) and destroys the villain of the story, Solaris, who btw also appeared in AS-S.

He then takes Lois' DNA sample that the heroes of the present * had stored in Solaris and recreats Lois, albeit silver and with superpowers. He also recreats the whole planet Krypton and all its inhabitants. I really like happy endings but this just doesnt make any sense to me. In any case Clark lives happily ever after.


* The heroes of the present were forced to create Solaris. He is a living solar computer, in other words a computer that runs on solar energy and has incredible computing power. Future Solaris sent a nanovirus to the past, forcing the heroes to create a super computer to beat it. The only computer powerful enough for that would have to be powered by a sun, so basically Solaris forced them to create him. How isnt that a time paradox? Beats me.


Now considering all that time travel mambo jumbo seen here, and in Return of Bruce Wayne, does the Leo=Lex theory really sound so far fetched to you guys? I cant believe that its just a coincidence and that Morrison didnt have a super meta ending for his masterpiece.

 

[Lencho01]

I read about DC One Million after reading All-Star. I hope to read it someday. I had already figured that Superman Prime was THE Superman we knew and love since they looked alike compared to all the other Supermen and they both went "Ha." when they found something amusing.

The conversation went like so...

Superman: I knew I had to conceal my identity from my younger self because that's how I remember is happening, but... Thanks for the opportunity to see my Pa one last time.

Klyzyzk Klzntplkz (Superman of the 5th Dimension): We're sorry we couldn't save him, but... his heart just ran out of beats. You know, if he hadn't died, you might have stayed in Smallville... and none of us would ever have been born.

Kal Kent: Before you return to your home time... the leader of the Superman Squad has something for you. Sir?

Superman: Which of my descendants are you?

Superman Prime: Ha. This was the day you joined forces with three generations of Supermen to chain the Chronovore. Another of your legendary twelve labors I seem to recall. This is an indestructible flower from New Krypton. For him, from all of us. In remembrance of all that we are. And all that we will be.

This pretty much explains is...

http://www.giantsizegeek.com/2008/09/all-star-superman-12-prequel-to-dc-one.html

 

[Longshot777]

Thanks Mr. Earle.


That means the animated film failed in that aspect.


Because to someone who did NOT read the book.


The end of the film....Superman really dies.


Unless that's what Bruce Timm intends to do in the first place.


I know the film showed he has descendants in future but at the end Lex gave Leo the solution for Superman to have off-springs through his saved dna I think.

I forgot.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Well you have to have read DC one million to know that Superman Prime (the golden one) is actually Clark because ASS only implies it. But yeah, the movie was quite different in this section of the story and i assume its because they omitted the Superboy (who is visited by his successors like i said) chapter entirely. Its a pity because for me that and the Bizarro chapter were my favourite of the whole book.

 

[Lencho01]

I thought they made it obvious enough that he was still alive in the sun since he was busy fixing it.

Besides the concept of the Superman Squad, the general idea of Superman learning you can't save everybody due to Pa's death would've been great to see. I think I read Morrison saying he went that route for the "boy becomes a man" storyline.

 

[Rocketman]

I'm not sure what everyone's smoking, but I thought this movie was absolutely incredible. It was unlike anything DC has made before in the movie department, and I'm almost inclined to say it's the best of the animated films. I was blown away. It was weird and different, and completely Superman.

I literally just finished watching it with my best friend (bought the DVD at midnight), and we were both on the edge of our seats. He loved it, and he expresses nothing but HATE for Superman (he thought Supes is lame), and now he wants to borrow my Superman comics. This movie created a new fan.

I read the All-Star Superman comics a few years ago, and loved them (obviously), and this still felt fresh to me. It was a great ride. I loved it. 10/10.

 

[Longshot777]

I thought they made it obvious enough that he was still alive in the sun since he was busy fixing it.



Yeah....but it was just a PICTURE. It could be interpreted many ways...like a symbol of hope from Lois.


If it was animated then it would be a totally different.


Anyways, i do agree that this film was great!!!

Too bad I only saw ONE commercial on tv promoting it.

The DC animated movies in the past had at least 5 tv promos.

 

[Lencho01]

The opening had pictures showing Superman's origins with Lex saying the lines from the comic. Did you think that was just his imagination of how things went down?

 

[Longshot777]

But like I said, that PICTURE could be interpreted many ways.


Superman DID go to the sun to fix it.


THAT PIC could be that time when he was fixing it BEFORE he died.


Ending with a PIC is like a REMEMBRANCE of the time you gave your life to save the world. That's how I saw it.


Just because YOU read the book YOU see things WHICH are supposedly OBVIOUS to you.


BUT NOT obvious to a casual viewer who DID NOT read any of the books.

 

[Longshot777]

And yes exactly...


The beginning were PICS that describes THE PAST.

Just like the ending was a PIC that can also be described as THE PAST.


The PIC that showed Superman's Last Heroic Stand.

 

[Lencho01]

You didn't see him die though. He was alive and busy working. So, you don't know if he dies or not. You do know that at the end of the story that was shown right before the credits, he's still alive and well. Tie that in with Lois talking about. Do you really see this film ending on such a downer?

I don't see how you could look at the pic as the past. The only part that was the past was at the start. Everything else was happening in the present. But whatever. If you take issue with the fact that I think they made it easy to see what happened in a simplified version of the story, that's on you.

 

[Octoberist]

r.i.p Dwayne McDuffie

 

[vantheman77]

Guys, breaking news that Dwayne McDuffie has passed away. He was just promoting All-Star Superman. McDuffie will be missed by the animation and comics community.

 

[Octoberist]

http://on.cbr.cc/hLi4XJ

 

[Darth Rockwell]

I really really liked the movie. It was nice to see a movie that ends on a note like this but at the same time has a good ending. I would definitely have to say this is one of my favorites. Now I need to find the comic and read it.

 

[Lencho01]

http://on.cbr.cc/hLi4XJ

RIP Dwayne. Thoughts and prayers for your family and friends.

Milestone Creator Dwayne McDuffie has Died
by Kiel Phegley, Editor

Category: Comic Books | 115 Comments | Print Article
Posted: 3 hours ago|Updated: 1 hour ago



CBR News has learned that comic writer, animation producer and respected industry veteran Dwayne McDuffie passed away. The cause of death and specific details are unknown at this time.

A native of Detroit, McDuffie officially joined the comics industry as part of Marvel Comics editorial in the late '80s. While working on special projects for the publisher, he quickly made his name as a writer creating series such as "Damage Control" and helping to redefine the Deathlok character to fan and critical acclaim. He soon left the staff to become a full time freelance writer, becoming a voice in the industry for diversity, particularly fighting against stereotypical portrayals of people of color on the comic book page.

In 1993, McDuffie co-founded Milestone Media along with creators Denys Cowan, Michael Davis and Derek T. Dingle. The company's mission statement involved expanding the role of minorities in comics both on the page and off, and they launched (through DCComics) a line of superheroes that included "Static," "Icon" and Xombi" – all of which McDuffie had a hand in creating.

Over the years, the writer contributed to scores of notable comic book launches and series, always with a keen eye on character, regardless of race. In 2000, his character, Static, made the leap totelevision in the Saturday morning cartoon "Static Shock." In 2003, an episode of the show dealing with gun violence earned the writer the Humanitas Prize.

In recent years, McDuffie pursued dual tracks in animation and comics writing. He served as story editor for the popular "Justice League Unlimited" animated series and wrote a number of DC's recent direct-to-DVD animated films. McDuffie had notable runs on comic series "Fantastic Four" and "Justice League of America," often incorporating Black characters into the core of the fabled franchises.

McDuffie's latest work was the script for the "All Star Superman" animated adaptation, which went on sale today in stores across America. CBR ran a lengthy interview with McDuffie about that project last week and caught up with him, looking in good health and acting jovial, last week at the Paley Center's Los Angeles premier for the film. McDuffie's last known public statement was a post to his Facebook page Sunday at 12:17 PM Pacific. He was scheduled to sign at Golden Apple Comics tomorrow evening as part of Reggie Hudlin's Reggie's World launch party.

The writer is survived by his wife, though at this point no further details are available on what exactly happened to McDuffie. The staff of Comic Book Resources offers our deepest condolences to his family and friends.
UPDATE 1:15 PM PST: DC Comics Co-Publisher Dan DiDio has offered the following statement via the company's Source blog:

“Dwayne McDuffie left a lasting legacy on the world of comics that many writers can only aspire to. He will not only be remembered as the extremely gifted writer whose scripts have been realized as comic books, in television shows and on the silver screen, but as the creator or co-creator of so many of the much-loved Milestone characters, including Static Shock. The industry has lost a true talent.
Our sincerest condolences go out to the family and many friends he leaves behind.”
- Dan DiDio, Co-Publisher, DC Comics
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UPDATE 1:25 PM PST: CBR has learned that McDuffie died from complications due to a surgical procedure performed Monday evening.

CBR Executive Producer Jonah Weiland contributed to this story

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

I remember him from interviews on the JL dvds, I never read any of his comics, but am very impressed reading his resume there. Really terrible, sad news. My sympathies and condolences to this friends and family.
R.I.P. Mr Mc Duffie