DC needs a hard reboot, and this time without Batman.

[unholyrevenger]

Why omit Superman too?

The "Fans" are too bigoted to accept some one else's version of Superman. A key factor in the "Marvel Formula" is to mold character no one cares about into something they can put on screen, granted some character have that cinematic element built in like Spider-man. People "care" about Superman too much and he doesn't have baked in cinematic elements like Spider-man and Batman so he should be shelved indefinitely.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

The "Fans" are too bigoted to accept some one else's version of Superman. A key factor in the "Marvel Formula" is to mold character no one cares about into something they can put on screen, granted some character have that cinematic element built in like Spider-man. People "care" about Superman too much and he doesn't have baked in cinematic elements like Spider-man and Batman so he should be shelved indefinitely.

It’s not impossible to make a Superman that fans will enjoy.
If you look at the complaints about the DCEU Superman, They’re really pretty simple.
I think MoS was only a few changes away from something that would have been more successful. You can see the difference in reaction to Supes in MoS and BvS compared to what we got in JL.
Superman doesn’t need to be reinvented and he doesn’t need to be a copy>paste of the Christopher Reeve characterization.
It’s not impossible and it would be incredibly silly to shelve the character.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Even after rumors of superman taking a break they came right back with rumors of him getting a tv series. Which could be good. Look what tv has done for supergirl and the arrowverse characters.

 

[Assassin32]

All Warner Bros. needs to start a universe is one good screenplay. Everything else blossoms from there. I'd argue they haven't had one since The Dark Knight, so here's hoping WW '84 builds on its predecessor and brings the goods.

 

[Rorschach2012]

That’s the first I’m ever hearing of that. As far as I know, the DCAU Robins and Batgirl were relatively well liked.

Didn’t Robins Reckoning win an Emmy?

 

[Boy Scout]

It might’ve.

 

[Cl4nk]

It’s not impossible to make a Superman that fans will enjoy.
If you look at the complaints about the DCEU Superman, They’re really pretty simple.
I think MoS was only a few changes away from something that would have been more successful. You can see the difference in reaction to Supes in MoS and BvS compared to what we got in JL.
Superman doesn’t need to be reinvented and he doesn’t need to be a copy>paste of the Christopher Reeve characterization.
It’s not impossible and it would be incredibly silly to shelve the character.

I just want a cheery Superman again. DCEU's Superman is boring.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

I just want a cheery Superman again. DCEU's Superman is boring.

He really is kinda boring.
I say that as someone who absolutely loves MoS.
It’s sad because Cavil is really pretty Superman like naturally.
I see more of what I’d want from Superman in his interviews than I have in the 3 movies where he’s played Superman

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

DC without Batman is crazy talk.

 

[unholyrevenger]

It’s not impossible to make a Superman that fans will enjoy.
If you look at the complaints about the DCEU Superman, They’re really pretty simple.
I think MoS was only a few changes away from something that would have been more successful. You can see the difference in reaction to Supes in MoS and BvS compared to what we got in JL.
Superman doesn’t need to be reinvented and he doesn’t need to be a copy>paste of the Christopher Reeve characterization.
It’s not impossible and it would be incredibly silly to shelve the character.

Each individual complaint is simple. Add those complaints up and you get a logically unsolvable problem.
The difference between mos/bvs and JL superman is the point of the character arc. Superman has to earn that hope and optimism for himself first before he can inspire others. But no one wants superman to earn it they just want him to have it.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I dont think superman is unsolvable. We just had the wrong guys doing the puzzle.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Each individual complaint is simple. Add those complaints up and you get a logically unsolvable problem.
The difference between mos/bvs and JL superman is the point of the character arc. Superman has to earn that hope and optimism for himself first before he can inspire others. But no one wants superman to earn it they just want him to have it.

Superman doesn’t have to earn his hope and optimism. That’s just who the character is. That’s what’s expected of him.
There’s no need to complicate things by stripping away key parts of the character.
Those are the things that you build everything else on top of.
Like you said, people just want that from the beginning. That’s because that’s what’s loved about Superman.

I appreciate what Snyder did with the character and I was all for that arc that you’re talking about. It’s very clear that it wasn’t the way to go though. I can admit that as a fan of those movies

 

[Astro13Zombie]

I dont think superman is unsolvable. We just had the wrong guys doing the puzzle.

Yep

With both Snyder and Singer

 

[sf2]

The "Fans" are too bigoted to accept some one else's version of Superman. A key factor in the "Marvel Formula" is to mold character no one cares about into something they can put on screen, granted some character have that cinematic element built in like Spider-man. People "care" about Superman too much and he doesn't have baked in cinematic elements like Spider-man and Batman so he should be shelved indefinitely.

Wrong!!! it was exactly the opposite. WB thought the people would care about superman; they already knowing him too much. therefore, they have never taken the time to fully develop him and have never thought of stories to establish him properly. they only wanted to do the death of superman. as a result, the people don't 'care' about him.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

In all honesty I feel like superman birthright would have been the perfect adaption to help translate superman to big screen.

 

[Lily Adler]

In all honesty I feel like superman birthright would have been the perfect adaption to help translate superman to big screen.

I know right. Everyone (okay maybe not Kurosawa) in the MOS boards were hoping they would take inspiration from it.

If WW84 does well, I can see them using her films as the basis for the reboot. Still mad that we lose Henry cause I honestly think he could have pulled off a real Superman (I defended emo Supes cause I chalked it up to growing pains with the character). Still loved the idea of MOS treating it as an invasion film rather than a superhero film was an interesting idea, but its execution was a paint by the numbers lifting from Batman Begins and Superman: The Movie and combining them with over the top action sequences. Okay sorry this turned in to an MOS rant.

 

[Herofan]

In all honesty I feel like superman birthright would have been the perfect adaption to help translate superman to big screen.

I think it was and a movie version would be too Silver Age-y.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Why would it be too "silver agey"

 

[Herofan]

That Lex and Clark knew each other in Smallville and especially that Lex resents Clark/Superman in significant part due to the loss of his hair.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I feel like that that's a really flimsy reason to say it's too "silver agey" to adapt. It's something that can be dropped and the majority of that story could work really well.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

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He really is kinda boring.
I say that as someone who absolutely loves MoS.
It’s sad because Cavil is really pretty Superman like naturally.
I see more of what I’d want from Superman in his interviews than I have in the 3 movies where he’s played Superman

I feel like Zod's invasion should have been delayed and Clark should have acted as Superman for a while under non-apocalyptic circumstances. No explosions or collapsing skyscrapers and thousands killed in the blink of an eye, just Superman flying around saving lives, building a reputation as a hero to the people of the world, interacting with people and showing a lighter-hearted, chit-chatty, jokey side, then Zod shows up and this causes some to question and distrust Superman.

 

[Damkac]

^Agree.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Zod shouldn’t have even been the villain. It should’ve been Brainiac and Lex Luthor as the villains for MOS.

 

[Herofan]

I myself would have preferred Lex as the villain but that may have been accused of being too already-done, too origin story movie.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Zod shouldn’t have even been the villain. It should’ve been Brainiac and Lex Luthor as the villains for MOS.

I loved Zod as the villain but Brainiac would’ve been amazing