DCEU Audience....who is it? And who should it be?

[BH/HHH]

They really need to bring this back. Hopefully, Netflix can get this worked out.

I really hope it does, even if it's for a DTV would sure beat the current DC DTV movies.

 

[The Batman]

Ermm

"Ermmm" what?

"Young Justice" isn't a Batman cartoon. It's a Young Justice Cartoon.

The picture even proves my point. It's a picture of the lead characters....and Batman's nowhere in sight. Because it isn't a Batman cartoon. It's a Young Justice Cartoon. Where Batman only plays a supporting role. And is gone for a chunk of episodes.

I shouldn't even have to explain this.

Try Again.

 

[writer0327]

If I were the thumbs up kind this would get a thumbs up.



Sadly, it's a consistent problem Hollywood has always had. Something becomes a hit and suddenly everyone tries to replicate it while only having a superficial grasp on what made it work.

So I'm sure they thought people would be jumping for joy at a dark take on the DCU after the success of the Batman movies, without actually grasping what about those films made people like them.

And not grasping at all that darkness perfectly suits Batman's universe, but not necessarily Superman's. And before people begin, have there been dark episodes and storylines in Superman's 78-year career? Sure, absolutely. But is a dark Superman film the proper way to inaugurate the DCEU, and if so, who is the audience for that film? Who wants to see it? All the same folks that watched TDK? Are you sure about that? Because for years I've heard some of those same people who loved TDK say Batman is a better hero and Superman is boring because he's too overpowered.

My thing is this: I know people who absolutely love Batman and don't care for Superman and vice versa. So with the DCEU, I think you're making the films for the general movie going audience and, if your characters are solid and well-loved and your plotting has been good, from there, you'll build a fanbase. You can't start by trying to capture the TDK fanbase because Batman fans aren't necessarily Superman, Flash, Aquaman or Wonder Woman fans and Batman's darker tone doesn't necessarily work for every character. I know a great director with a vision can "make it work", but is that what we're working with in Snyder, and is that what people are even expecting or looking for? I would argue that Superman's character has been more bright than dark throughout his 78 years, at least those are the versions that have been more popular and more enduring.

You also need the right person telling those stories, someone who has a proven track record and a unique vision. Before Batman Begins, Nolan had done two excellent films in Memento and Insomnia, showing he could handle darker, film-noir thrillers. The fact that Nolan helped develop the story that eventually became Man of Steel gave a lot of us some hope, but as we all know, the director is the real storyteller, the person crafting the narrative. Snyder track history suggests he can make a visual spectacle, but not the type of film Nolan can make.

 

[BH/HHH]

"Ermmm" what?

"Young Justice" isn't a Batman cartoon. It's a Young Justice Cartoon.

The picture even proves my point. It's a picture of the lead characters....and Batman's nowhere in sight. Because it isn't a Batman cartoon. It's a Young Justice Cartoon. Where Batman only plays a supporting role. And is gone for a chunk of episodes.

I shouldn't even have to explain this.

Try Again.

Apologies I misread but your overreaction is unnecessary.

 

[Lencho01]

Just my 2cents on BATB.

I used to love BATB, mostly because it was self-satirizing and generally hilarious - there are some real "meta" episodes (such as the Music Master, Strangest Cases and final episodes).

Really, I think an Aquaman serious would have been a fantastic...oops I mean "OUT-RAGEOUS !" follow on.

What made BATB great was that it took the piss out of itself, along with the entire superhero genre - but also did fan-service to some of the greatest superhero stories ever.

In fact, in some ways BATB did a better version of the Batman v Superman fight from Dark Knight Returns, than the recent live-action crap-fest

I get that some probably didn't like the campy tone, but BATB managed to keep the balance of camp and seriousness pretty reasonable.

Anyway, I miss BATB (of course I have a few episodes on DVD, and once in a while pull them out for a laugh).

It's pretty much the only remarkable post-Timmverse Batman cartoon.

And it had the best version of Aquaman ever.

 

[Vchipp]

Just my 2cents on BATB.

I used to love BATB, mostly because it was self-satirizing and generally hilarious - there are some real "meta" episodes (such as the Music Master, Strangest Cases and final episodes).

Really, I think an Aquaman serious would have been a fantastic...oops I mean "OUT-RAGEOUS !" follow on.

What made BATB great was that it took the piss out of itself, along with the entire superhero genre - but also did fan-service to some of the greatest superhero stories ever.

In fact, in some ways BATB did a better version of the Batman v Superman fight from Dark Knight Returns, than the recent live-action crap-fest

I get that some probably didn't like the campy tone, but BATB managed to keep the balance of camp and seriousness pretty reasonable.

Anyway, I miss BATB (of course I have a few episodes on DVD, and once in a while pull them out for a laugh).

Funnily enough they even did the Martha joke in that episode, it's almost like James Tucker had a time machine and came to 2016 watch BvS and hated it and when back to in time to show what he would've done.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Funnily enough they even did the Martha joke in that episode, it's almost like James Tucker had a time machine and came to 2016 watch BvS and hated it and when back to in time to show what he would've done.

Martha joke in that cartoon lol? I'd love to see clip.

 

[baerrtt]

Everybody.

The problem here is that studios always assume that when a film makes big bank (like TDK) general audiences want Xerox copies and it specifically backfires when those movies are executed by lesser directors like Snyder who in this instance seems incapable, post 300, of making blockbusters that appeal to more than angry teenage boys (or adult men who still have that mentality).

If WB really wanted to start the DCEU off with TDK version of Superman and expected/hoped for the same financial results they firstly needed a much better director as Burton was in '88 when he got what would be a game changing gig to bring a dark Superhero movie to the screen for the first time and Nolan still is.

Snyder is Michael Bay if Bay thought he was Stanley Kubrick or Paul Verhoeven without the intelligence. A director with a pessimistic viewpoint that isn't matched by any real love for character is a disastrous choice for a major blockbuster that was marketed to EVERYBODY.

 

[MbJ]

That's what I'm consistently struck by in his work. I hope this doesn't sound mean, but he seems to like trying to make thought-provoking, intelligent films without actually being able to accomplish that.

I still remember him trying to claim Sucker Punch was actually a progressive feminist masterpiece critiquing sexism in the media and everyone else was like "Sure...we'll have to take your word on that, Zack."