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[MbJ]

Ed Skrein and Morena Baccarin.

 

[-JKR-]

They could always change their minds later. Especially if a test audience doesn't act favorably towards the R rated cut of the film or if they find out that a lot kids would want to see this movie. In an ideal world, they would release 2 theatrical cuts of the movie (an R rated version and a PG-13 version) just like studios simultaneously release a 3D and non 3D versions of theatrical movies.



I agree. IMO, they should try to do a GEICO commercial with Deadpool.

Nope, the 'releasing two cuts of the movie, one PG-13, one R' never really did it for me, for different reasons. You either go for a PG-13 rating, or an R.

But hey, they just announced that the flick's going to be R-rated. I don't know why we're having this discussion.

Anyway, I'd read that write-up on Deadpool. Explains everything perfectly well. And no, the harder stuff wasn't made up by fans, as much as you like to reiterate that the character was created for all ages (if he was, so what? Many of his stories still contained stuff that, if shown in a live action movie, would need an R rating).

 

[JP]

Interesting hair for Morena...

 

[Superhero 101]

Man Morena is so hot!

 

[Sullstar]

FOX would get most of the profits from the merch, not Marvel. This is why Marvel won't make merch for the movie (or the X-Men and FF movies).

I believe Marvel get all the profits from the merchandise of FOX characters. Fox would get profit in the sense it is promoting their films for free, but that's why Marvel make less X-Men merch. Why promote other studios films when they can make the same money on merchandise promoting their movies.

I'm a massive X-Fan but from Marvel's position it makes total sense. Just hope the comics don't die a horrible death like FF did last year.

Edit: I might be wrong. Tom Brevoort said this last year

2) If you had two things, and on one you earned 100% of the revenues from the efforts that you put into making it, and the other you earned a much smaller percentage for the same amount of time and effort, you'd be more likely to concentrate more heavily on the first, wouldn't you?

Sorry for getting away from the point of Deadpool

 

[Flint Marko]

I believe Marvel get all the profits from the merchandise of FOX characters. Fox would get profit in the sense it is promoting their films for free, but that's why Marvel make less X-Men merch. Why promote other studios films when they can make the same money on merchandise promoting their movies.

Edit: I might be wrong. Tom Brevoort said this last year

I think that's right, it stacks up with other things I've heard in the past. Can't fault that logic.
I'm not someone that really bothers with merchandise, I don't buy t-shirts or action figures or anything, so it doesn't affect me either way.

 

[Sullstar]

I agree. I'd like an X-Men video game or two, but Marvel might not have the total license to video games. Other than that, I'm not bothered about the lack of merchandise if the films put up comfortable numbers to survive by themselves

 

[Snikt]

If I was 10, 11 or 12 years-old, I'd be disappointed with the lack of X-Men merch. But I'm 28 now and have not personal need for it.

However...I do feel bad for the diehard collecting fans who would absolutely love more X-Men merch and Marvel is denying them that. But from a business standpoint it does make sense.

I'm always curious as to what is the exact % of the profits Marvel gets from the X-Men films. I know it's not a lot, but the X-Men and Spidey films did help with Marvel forming Marvel Studios.

 

[Weather Witch]

If I was 10, 11 or 12 years-old, I'd be disappointed with the lack of X-Men merch. But I'm 28 now and have not personal need for it.

However...I do feel bad for the diehard collecting fans who would absolutely love more X-Men merch and Marvel is denying them that. But from a business standpoint it does make sense.

I'm always curious as to what is the exact % of the profits Marvel gets from the X-Men films. I know it's not a lot, but the X-Men and Spidey films did help with Marvel forming Marvel Studios.

I thought it was like 10% from movie and 40% from merchandise, but I might be completely wrong. I do remember seeing numbers somewhere way back in the day.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

FOX would get most of the profits from the merch, not Marvel. This is why Marvel won't make merch for the movie (or the X-Men and FF movies).

According to this Marvel holds the majority from profits.

[licensing in relation to Fox Marvel movies] "Under these licenses we retain control over merchandising rights and retain more than 50% of merchandising-based revenue"

Assuming that hasn't changed Marvel gets more than 50% and they decide if Merchandise is made or not.

So if they were to permit merchandise they'd get the majority of the money made.

So from a business sense it would profit them more than Fox to make merchandise, they won't cos don't want to help Fox which doesn't make sense as they made X-Men Days of Future Past the second best selling Marvel movie of 2014 without any presence on shelves.

Withholding merchandise won't hurt the Fox movies or enable them to be sold back to Marvel any quicker. Only people it affects are fans and Marvel themselves who could be getting additional money from another studios movies but choose not to.

I believe Marvel get all the profits from the merchandise of FOX characters. Fox would get profit in the sense it is promoting their films for free, but that's why Marvel make less X-Men merch. Why promote other studios films when they can make the same money on merchandise promoting their movies.

Except they could make that same money merchandising their own films AND additional money from making merchandise of the Fox ones too.

It's not one or the other, it's more about choosing one and not the other when you could have both.

They merchandised Sonys Spider-Man. Admittedly he's the highest earning merchandise characters so it'd be stupid not to. But if they chose only their own and didn't make any movie Spidey merchandise they'd have saved themselves additional millions in profit.
Same could in theory be applied to Deadpool and X-Men, they could make merchandise and profit from them but refuse to out of spite

 

[Weather Witch]

According to this Marvel holds the majority from profits.

Assuming that hasn't changed Marvel gets more than 50% and they decide if Merchandise is made or not.

Ah that's it.

 

[Snikt]

I thought it was like 10% from movie and 40% from merchandise, but I might be completely wrong. I do remember seeing numbers somewhere way back in the day.

I thought it was something along those lines too.

So DOFP made $748 million WW and Marvel gets 10% of the gross by not lifting a finger .

That's a good deal for Marvel. By that I mean they can concentrate on their Studio produced films, make money off those for their hard work and then collect a paycheck from Fox .

 

[Weather Witch]

I thought it was something along those lines too.

So DOFP made $748 million WW and Marvel gets 10% of the gross by not lifting a finger .

That's a good deal for Marvel. By that I mean they can concentrate on their Studio produced films, make money off those for their hard work and then collect a paycheck from Fox .

Found it:

We also know from filings in years past that Marvel's licensing deals typically called for a producer fee of between 8% and 10% of the gross. Fox's future X-Men movies could bring Disney hundreds of millions in profits.

Source: http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...ces-another-x-men-movie-heres-what-it-me.aspx

 

[def28]

Marvel puts out quite alot of Deadpool merch. While I don't think we will see direct movie tie ins, this film is so close to the comic in logo and design that anyone who wants Deadpool merch should be able to find it fairly easily.

 

[Snikt]

Found it:



Source: http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...ces-another-x-men-movie-heres-what-it-me.aspx

That was quick. And again, for a franchise they don't own the IP of, that's a pretty good deal just for having the Marvel name attached and being a co-producer.

 

[Weather Witch]

That was quick. And again, for a franchise they don't own the IP of, that's a pretty good deal just for having the Marvel name attached and being a co-producer.

At least 305.3 Million US$ since 2000.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

That was quick. And again, for a franchise they don't own the IP of, that's a pretty good deal just for having the Marvel name attached and being a co-producer.

Plus Majority merch profits AND sole control over what type of merchandise and how much and who makes it.

They have the ball, but they don't want to play.

 

[def28]

We know, we discuss this every X-Men film.

Interesting hair for Morena...

Yeah, don't know if they may be alluding to something or not.

 

[Snikt]

Plus Majority merch profits AND sole control over what type of merchandise and how much and who makes it.

They have the ball, but they don't want to play.

I have a buddy who has been a diehard Marvel fan since he was just a kid (met him in college) and the X-Men series is one of the reasons he's super pissed at Marvel.

He loves the X-Men franchise, but hates how Marvel doesn't feature them much anymore merchandising (not even the Marvel Infinity game).

But with Deadpool, I don't expect any merchandise .

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

That's not a very flattering pic of Skrein

I have a buddy who has been a diehard Marvel fan since he was just a kid (met him in college) and the X-Men series is one of the reasons he's super pissed at Marvel.

He loves the X-Men franchise, but hates how Marvel doesn't feature them much anymore merchandising (not even the Marvel Infinity game).

But with Deadpool, I don't expect any merchandise .

Tell me about it, I want Hot Toys figures and lego sets for the movies and games

 

[Weather Witch]

It is not the lack of physical merchandise that bothers me. Good games and new animated series would be great though.

 

[Snikt]

That's not a very flattering pic of Skrein



Tell me about it, I want Hot Toys figures and lego sets for the movies and games

I'm curious why Hot Toys has been allowed to make Wolverine figures based on the movies though. We've had one for X3, Origins, The Wolverine and DOFP. Just surprises me Marvel let them.

But I do expect a Hot Toys Deadpool movie version .

 

[Blade X]

It's also a fairly poor business decision to exclude kids from something like this that's basically a slightly more "hard core" Spider-Man type.

Quoted for the truth. Also, R rated superhero movies featuring characters wearing colorful costumes doesn't go over so well with the general non comic book reading public. Another problem with a violent R rated dark comedy superhero movie is that the joke gets old and tired real quick. The same is also true for those PG-13 rated DC animated movies that contain profanity,graphic violence,and strong sexual innuendos. It becomes less about telling a good story and more about "upping the ante" on the sex, violence,and profanity.

Here's something else to chew on. The first ALIENS VS PREDATOR movie was rated PG-13 and did pretty well at the box office. The sequel was rated R and it flopped. Now while AVP isn't a superhero movie and the franchise was not originally intended for all ages (and IMO, should have never went for a PG-13 rating), it does show that PG-13 rated genre movies often do better then R rated genre movies. It also proves that filmmakers can get their point across and tell their story without gore and blood.

That's exactly the Deadpool I want to see.

Yes, but is that the type of DP that the average non comic book reading moviegoer would want to see? Would they put off by a character that shoots innocent people for no other reason then they liked the SW prequels? And for the record, I never read or saw a DP comic where he killed an innocent person.

You will pardon me if I don't see anything "all ages" about the direction Liefield was taking New Mutants/X-force. I mean, it was sort of the 90's thing to have violent anti-heroes.

What your perception of those stories were and what the CONTENT of those actually were, are 2 different things. Those books were CCA all ages comics. And just so we're clear, "all ages" is not the same thing as "only for kids".

PG-13 does allow a fair amount of violence (still weird to me that GI Joe had more stabbings than Origins), but why limit yourself.

If they are able to get their point across and tell their story, they are not limiting themselves. Not having blood/gore and stronger profanity doesn't limit a film.

The good Deadpool stories are inherently violent and adult. Why limit themselves?

The Waid,Kelly,Priest,and Neceiza stories proves otherwisxe.

 

[StarLord]

The Posehn/Duggan run is very adult. He had sex with Shiklah on a burial ground for **** sake.

''How about we make some sex on a coffin?''

 

[JP]

oh my gOD GET OVER IT. Am I just not aloud to come into this thread any more? This **** is not fair.