Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...

[Excel]

For a character you claim some people find boring and for a movie some people find dull, SR still managed $200 mil domestic and had pretty good reviews. $200 mil for a movie where not one punch was thrown! The movie didn't bomb, it only disappointed but people still showed up. Superman on film only needs to be tweaked. It doesn't need an absud Abramslike take on it.

200 million in the U.S. is barely tapping the potential of a Superman franchise, that is the problem; thats why theres no Superman Returns 2. Superman Returns, for being practically unmarketable, likely would have toppled to the 250 million mark had it opened furhter away from Pirates 2.

I use Abrams script as an example because come on here clamoring for a Superman film thats in the mold of Spidey 1, Batman Begins, Iron man, Transformers, Star Trek, ect. instead of films like SR...and thats exactly what Abrams script was. Thats whay I bring it up.

 

[Showtime]

Im well aware Abrams script isnt getting made and Im not saying thats what i want. I am just using it as an example of an actual superman script (as opposed to broad ideas like "getting the essence of the characters") that got certain fundamental parts of the film RIGHT. Other ideas of his 1st draft were ******ed (and if were on the topic, everybody is aware Krypto Lex and suit in can were gone by the 2nd draft of what, 30? I think its time we stop acting like that was actually going to be on the big screen), which is why you wont hear me saying I want that made.

Its also time to stop acting like Abrams and his script are the be all and end all of Superman. The fact that he added that to the script in the first place is an abomination. So even if you want the 2nd draft or 3rd draft made, that isn't happening either.

Ive been saying he got a lot right in his script for years; it has NOTHING to do with Star Trek or its success

I didn't quote you specifically, but obviously nobody has noticed what you have been saying?

 

[Excel]

Its also time to stop acting like Abrams and his script are the be all and end all of Superman. The fact that he added that to the script in the first place is an abomination. So even if you want the 2nd draft or 3rd draft made, that isn't happening either.

I dont want any of his scripts made; I just want a script that sets the same tone and mood as his did. His Superman was more of a crowd pleaser with a serious nature ala Spiderman 1 that flat out wannabe epic ala Superman Returns. It had the action, size & scale, romance, comedy, and drama perfectly balanced that i want in a Superman film. There was zero balance in SR. Its basically that tone and approach that I want more than anything else; obviously there are hundereds of other people out capible of doing that; I just use him as reference because he actually has done it.

I didn't quote you specifically, but obviously nobody has noticed what you have been saying?

Seeing as I started the "JJ Abrams fior director" thread what, 2 years ago (?), I thought it wouldnt be that hard to figure out.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

The problem seems to be WB, and now that Terminator is going to flop, that doesn't necessarily help Superman.

That's true. But maybe this and the success of the new Marvel Movies (expecially Captain America) can help a decision about Superman.
Is the CK/Superman cameo still in GL?

 

[Showtime]

I dont want any of his scripts made; I just want a script that sets the same tone and mood as his did. His Superman was more of a crowd pleaser with a serious nature ala Spiderman 1 that flat out wannabe epic ala Superman Returns. It had the action, size & scale, romance, comedy, and drama perfectly balanced that i want in a Superman film. There was zero balance in SR. Its basically that tone and approach that I want more than anything else; obviously there are hundereds of other people out capible of doing that; I just use him as reference because he actually has done it.

He's directed two films. Star Trek was fantastic, MI3, up for debate.

Let's not crown him just yet. People were saying the same things about Singer in 2004.

Seeing as I started the "JJ Abrams fior director" thread what, 2 years ago (?), I thought it wouldnt be that hard to figure out.

All that means is you had a bad idea 2 years before everybody else did.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Both Superman Returns and Terminator: Salvation were $200+ million films, and yet the latter will gross $125-$130 million tops while the former was able to churn out $200 million.

Again at the end of the day, it makes Returns' box-office numbers look better than how many wrote it off back in '06 - especially compared to Salvation (which is increasingly looking to be placed in the "flop" category) and Watchmen.

 

[KalMart]

It might make SR's take look better to some Supes fans, but to WB it's still disappointing, and TS/Watchmen is simply worse.

Heck, TS's take should also make TDK's gross look even more amazing too, no? Their outlook/decisions on SR are already made....something doing worse than it isn't encouraging.

 

[KalMart]

I'm not talking about giving him a sex change.

Right now the character is seen as dull as dirt.

Because the story was dull as dirt.

IHe can stay a nice big hearted guy but he needs to be more charismatically portrayed. I also wouldn't mind some serious Batman movie style updates to his costume and no I don't mean that s**tty rubber that all of the Batman directors insist on using. Yes I know Superman suit is more iconic than Batman's...or atleast I think it is but I don't think that most would care if the undies were ditched. But ofcourse the color scheme must be kept. Hell it might give the movie some interesting buzz before it comes out. I know that 95% of the fans are going to disagree with me on the suit thing but I'm sticking to my guns on that.

I don't care what the comics are doing right now they need to move as far away from Donnerverse as possible. I don't want a dark Superman movie so thats not what I'm talking about. I don't have all the details put together in my head right now but I'm sure that my ideas wouldn't be totally well recieved by the people who want to see the same movie franchise that began 30+ years ago.

Superman can still be Superman and be enjoyed if you give him bigger challenges, higher stakes, and more interesting things to do. LIKE the Donner movies (and this isn't inherent to just them), you could be playful with what he is in a sort of charming, even self-effacing way....which is a nice offset to the stupendous things he does. UNLIKE Singer, you shouldn't have to worship the guy to add credibility to what he's doing. Make the 'doing' part more interesting, and his being Superman will enhance it.

 

[Chewy]

The way Superman is portrayed on the big screen needs to do a legit. 360.

 

[nintendo nerd]

It might make SR's take look better to some Supes fans, but to WB it's still disappointing, and TS/Watchmen is simply worse.

Heck, TS's take should also make TDK's gross look even more amazing too, no? Their outlook/decisions on SR are already made....something doing worse than it isn't encouraging.

Please no, I have more than enough with Nolan considered a God. Now JJ Abrams? And let's not forget Bale, who is Jesus.

 

[KalMart]

Heh.

 

[KalMart]

Please no, I have more than enough with Nolan considered a God. Now JJ Abrams? And let's not forget Bale, who is Jesus.

 

[Chewy]

TS and Watchmen's failures don't make SR's take look any better. However, they have hopefully knocked the notion that "dark & gritty = $$$" out of WB's head.

 

[nintendo nerd]

TS and Watchmen's failures don't make SR's take look any better. However, they have hopefully knocked the notion that "dark & gritty = $$$" out of WB's head.

True. Batman is dark, Superman is not.

 

[Chewy]

Yup, let the property dictate the tone, not the other way around.

 

[Nightwing1977]

I'm not talking about giving him a sex change.

 

[BestGirl]

TS and Watchmen's failures don't make SR's take look any better. However, they have hopefully knocked the notion that "dark & gritty = $$$" out of WB's head.

Thank God for that. The whole making Superman dark thing had me nervous for a while.

 

[Excel]

To say Terminators bombing makes Supermans dissappointment look better isnt saying anything. They need to embrace the fanasty side of Superman, not ignore it. I can recall reading from lsok about how W.B. thought Singer would be realism to Supes ala Nolan...

 

[BestGirl]

To say Terminators bombing makes Supermans dissappointment look better isnt saying anything. They need to embrace the fanasty side of Superman, not ignore it. I can recall reading from lsok about how W.B. thought Singer would be realism to Supes ala Nolan...

Realism wouldn't necessarily be bad if it meant exploring what the real-life reactions to and consequences of Superman's existence would be. Someone once suggested the next movie show how Metropolites would react to Superman's appearance. Some would fear him, others would worship him. I thought that was pretty cool. What would the government do if an all-powerful alien suddenly appeared? I would like it if the next director could answer that.

 

[NeoRanger]

What would the government do if an all-powerful alien suddenly appeared?

They would contract Lex Luthor to use his company's resources and his 'superior intellect' to find counter-measures. You know, if he's not too busy STEALING LAND AGAIN.

 

[KalMart]

What would the government do if an all-powerful alien suddenly appeared?

Tax the hell out of him.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

It might make SR's take look better to some Supes fans, but to WB it's still disappointing, and TS/Watchmen is simply worse.

Heck, TS's take should also make TDK's gross look even more amazing too, no? Their outlook/decisions on SR are already made....something doing worse than it isn't encouraging.

I understand your point, but at least it shows that the franchise is still strong enough to deserve another chance. Despite all a Superman movie is a sure bet while a lot of new franchise (GL included) can be a jump into the dark.

You are right when you talk about the TDK's gross, nevertheless some one could think that TDK is a sequel of a movie that made less than SR worldwide.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Well, i thought Watchemen was the 2nd best comic book movie ever after TDK. So I don't care if it was a bomb or not. I'm sure it is going to to do great on DVD.

I personally think the Watchmen story is very overrated and don't think is the best comic book story ever... Killing Joke, Superman for all seasons, Dark Knight Returns, Kingdom Come are much better IMO.

 

[KalMart]

I understand your point, but at least it shows that the franchise is still strong enough to deserve another chance. Despite all a Superman movie is a sure bet while a lot of new franchise (GL included) can be a jump into the dark.

I think it deserves to be a movie franchise regardless, though. It doesn't need other movies doing worse to justify it. Just accept responsibility for putting one out that was disappointing, regroup, and try a new one down the road...which seems to be the approach now. It'll just take some time, and other movies doing worse won't expedite it.

You are right when you talk about the TDK's gross, nevertheless some one could think that TDK is a sequel of a movie that made less than SR worldwide.

Which is why you have to also look beyond those figures when comparing the two (leaving out BB's huge DVD performance, of course ). What was it about the movies that made one worth continuing, and the other not? How did each make the money that they made? I always felt that all one has to do, objectively, is watch the two movies and it's clear which one is more desirable for continuation, which one feels more like a launching pad rather than a somber end to something from days past. But honestly, I don't think it was that deep for WB....I think it was the DVD receipts. And from the looks of it, they made the right decision...and would probably like to restart things with Superman along those lines as well.

 

[KalMart]

Well, i thought Watchemen was the 2nd best comic book movie ever after TDK. So I don't care if it was a bomb or not. I'm sure it is going to to do great on DVD.

I never thought Watchmen would make a huge gross because the story itself isn't exactly accessible to those who aren't already comic fans. And especially if it was going to be done 'faithfully', it would also highlight that inaccessibility. As it stands, it probably works better for those who already liked the comic, rather than those who are being introduced to the story for the first time or who are less familiar.....and the latter is very important when it comes to box-office returns. You didn't have to be a comic fan to really enjoy BB/TDK or Iron Man....but I think Watchmen required more inherent appreciation of its source material to really work well.