The Dark Knight Definitive Joker

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Pick it up, it's a good read.

Really....it's a Joker story, more than a Batman story. But, it's at the very least interesting.....I'd say.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Pick it up, it's a good read.

Really....it's a Joker story, more than a Batman story. But, it's at the very least interesting.....I'd say.

Well I've heard it's good. I just... like I said, knowing as I do what Joker does, and knowing how the story ends... I feel like Moore wussed out somehow. Where's the moral center of this story? Where's retribution? I want RETRIBUTION, damn it!!!

Oh, btw... this is my 3000th post.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well......still......I think you should give it a read. If you hate it then, then you'll be able to give exact points on why and where. But, pick it up. It's actually pretty cheap....like 4 bucks or something. Not really a big book either, you'd probably finish the thing in like a day or two.

 

[Crooklyn]

Yeah I mean it's like complaining that sex leads to sleepiness after it's all said and done. The ends justify the means.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Well......still......I think you should give it a read. If you hate it then, then you'll be able to give exact points on why and where. But, pick it up. It's actually pretty cheap....like 4 bucks or something. Not really a big book either, you'd probably finish the thing in like a day or two.

I'd probably finish it in a couple of hours, really. But again, I just... I'll buy it eventually. Most of my comic money goes towards Bronze Age Batman and Detective issues.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Yeah I mean it's like complaining that sex leads to sleepiness after it's all said and done. The ends justify the means.

Is it? To me it's more like spending six hours doing all kinds of crazy sh1t with a girl and at the end neither of you come.

 

[Crooklyn]

I'd probably finish it in a couple of hours, really.

If you're not slow or ******ed, it should take you no more than an hour. It's a very quick read. Hell, the thing's thinner than my ----well, I'll leave it as it's very thin.

Is it? To me it's more like spending six hours doing all kinds of crazy sh1t with a girl and at the end neither of you come.

I can understand the girl (only a few climax during the act, sadly it's been proven through statistics )...but a guy? No, you have a problem.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

If you're not slow or ******ed, it should take you no more than an hour. It's a very quick read. Hell, the thing's thinner than my ----well, I'll leave it as it's very thin.

LOL.

I can understand the girl (only a few climax during the act, sadly it's been proven through statistics )...but a guy? No, you have a problem.

Exactly. The guy ALWAYS comes. And a man ALWAYS beats holy hell out of someone who hurts his friends.

 

[Motown Marvel]

Okay, I'm not reading that. Here's some shortening, I suggest you use it in your future works.

gee, cute. if you're incapable of reading, then do us a favor and dont post.

I didn't miss the subtext, because I have never read "The Killing Joke." It's not that I don't want to, I just... haven't ever gotten around to it.

please dont be so ignorant as to criticise a story that you havent read. if you read it, and dont like it, fine (which im sure you wont like it now, since you've prematurely made up your mind). but come on....dont pull that crap. (sorry if i sound like a jerk in this...i really dont mean to, just saying...)

 

[Keyser Sushi]

please dont be so ignorant as to criticise a story that you havent read. if you read it, and dont like it, fine (which im sure you wont like it now, since you've prematurely made up your mind). but come on....dont pull that crap. (sorry if i sound like a jerk in this...i really dont mean to, just saying...)

Oh, I'm not really criticizing it, and I do plan to read it when I get around to it, I just feel like Batman didn't get justice for Jim or Barbara, and that bothers me.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, for what it's worth.....I think he kinda let it all out in HUSH.

I mean, talk about unleashing the beast.....Jesus, he really beat the **** out of the Joker there....

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Well, for what it's worth.....I think he kinda let it all out in HUSH.

I mean, talk about unleashing the beast.....Jesus, he really beat the **** out of the Joker there....

Yeah he did. 15 years later. LOL. Seems like sort of a delayed reaction.

 

[Crooklyn]

Well, for what it's worth.....I think he kinda let it all out in HUSH.

I mean, talk about unleashing the beast.....Jesus, he really beat the **** out of the Joker there....

Yeah, he did. Imo it was kinda the wrong time for Batman to let loose though. Joker had done far worse things (KILLING Jason, PARALYZING Barb), but what sets him over the edge is shooting a childhood friend he hasn't seen in well over 2 decades?

Err..

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

That was the joke though. Batman nearly killed the Joker, and what pushed him over the edge....the Joker didn't even do.

I think the Joker would have loved to have been killed for a crime he didn't commit. He knows Batman would never get over it, and be haunted by it.

The sick ****er.

 

[Crooklyn]

Yeah, I got the joke. But even then, Batman, at that moment, didn't know this. So just the fact that he got ticked off over something that was quite minimal compared to the acts he's seen....it was just weird.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, it was the last straw I guess. His childhood friend killed like that....and then he started to think about all the **** the Joker's gotten away with.......He started to even think about the **** he might do after, like kill Selina,....so, in a way....he ticked him off, but the past stuff is really what kept him pushing on. I think there was a really cool line about how thinking of Babs in the wheelchair makes it all the more easier to rip his throat out.....or something like that.

 

[Motown Marvel]

Oh, I'm not really criticizing it, and I do plan to read it when I get around to it, I just feel like Batman didn't get justice for Jim or Barbara, and that bothers me.

well, batman isnt one to hand down justice. he leaves that to the judge. but i know what you mean....

Yeah he did. 15 years later. LOL. Seems like sort of a delayed reaction.

in comic book time, it was only a few years later. after al, in comic bok time i believe bruce has been batman for 11 or 12 years.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

well, batman isnt one to hand down justice. he leaves that to the judge. but i know what you mean....

Yeah, it's not enough somehow. I think of what poor Jim went through... and poor beautiful, vibrant Barbara dead from the waist down... Joker could stand to lose a few teeth. He'll need the gap there for one of his testicles to pop out of after the beating.

in comic book time, it was only a few years later. after al, in comic bok time i believe bruce has been batman for 11 or 12 years.

Yes but in Keyser Sushi time it was 15 years, and that's a long time to wait to see that ****er get the hell beat out of him.

 

[Motown Marvel]

and poor beautiful, vibrant Barbara dead from the waist down...

AHA! now i see why your all bent out of shape over this t:

dont worry, man....on your end, its not much a bit of KY jelly couldnt fix.

 

[StorminNorman]

please dont be so ignorant as to criticise a story that you havent read. if you read it, and dont like it, fine (which im sure you wont like it now, since you've prematurely made up your mind). but come on....dont pull that crap. (sorry if i sound like a jerk in this...i really dont mean to, just saying...)

I read it (and was actually the one that described it to Keyser as a matter of fact) and I felt that while it was a great Joker story, the Batman character wasn't right. Again, that final scene was sooo out of character that that really hurt the story. Its a great story, a great in character Joker story. But IMO it sucks if you look at it from Batman's POV.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

AHA! now i see why your all bent out of shape over this t:

dont worry, man....on your end, its not much a bit of KY jelly couldnt fix.

Yeah there's nothing I love better than f**king imaginary people on paper.

Seriously though... what Joker did iis a pretty horrible thing to do to a person. It severely alters her life. And what happens to Joker? NOTHING. He gets locked up in Arkham. Oh good, like that's never happened before. Like he never escapes and does anything evil. Like they ever rehabilitate him. You know what? Just punch him in the spleen. Really really hard. Something. ANYthing.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Sometimes...I wish Babs would walk again. I'm so over this whole Oracle thing.

 

[Motown Marvel]

Yeah there's nothing I love better than f**king imaginary people on paper.

Seriously though... what Joker did iis a pretty horrible thing to do to a person. It severely alters her life. And what happens to Joker? NOTHING. He gets locked up in Arkham. Oh good, like that's never happened before. Like he never escapes and does anything evil. Like they ever rehabilitate him. You know what? Just punch him in the spleen. Really really hard. Something. ANYthing.

well, to be fair, batman kicking joker's ass after he does something evil isnt any more original than them tossing him in arkham....it pretty much happens almost every time batman gets his hands on him. and they're obviously not gonna kill the character, or rehabilitate him....because, then there'd be no joker....and well, f**k that!

 

[Top_Hatter]

He needs to be a brutal and savage madman that delights in breaking laws, most of all inflicting pain upon people. He craves the spotlight and wants to be the most known and most badass crim in Gotham, his hatred for Batman not only stems from the order that the Dark Knight brings to Gotham but from the fact that Batman gets more spotlight than him or that he is put in the same league when he sees himself as superior. He's not as crazy as the majority to believe him to be and in fact has some control over his actions though the lax security at Arkham Asylum gives him the easy escape needed, to recap he is insane just not so much as Two-Face who wraps the gateway between personalities around a coin. He has no morals and hence cannot discern good from bad, that's how he gets such pleasure from committing crimes because he sees them to be a good thing not a bad thing.

 

[jayskate]

I really liked this take on the Joker by Bat In the Sun Productions , dark and funny .

I really like the killing Joke , Grant Morrisons Arkham Asylums version and the Joker from Burtons Batman . I'm really interested to see what Heath will do with the role . Did Heath or Chris Nolan mention the Clockwork orange as a sort of reference point ? cool .