The Dark Knight Rises POLL: Joker Cameo in The Dark Knight Rises?

[El Payaso]

Pure B.S.

Nolan is far too smart to allow something like this into one of his films.

It would completely overshadow everything else. Every cast member's hard work would be completely pushed aside, and THIS would be the number one spotlight story concerning the film. On the cover of every magazine.

When you're trying to escape out of the shadow of one of the biggest movies of all time and create something that can be accepted as a worthy followup, you don't piggyback off that movie's dead star. It would be The Dark Knight's inadequate stepbrother.

It needs to be its own monster. Let the Joker rest for one damn movie.

If that's the case then I'd rather he had died.

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

I have a hard time seeing this being the actual case. I mean how many actual outtakes do they have that would fit a story in TDKR? If its just a quick glance at a quiet joker just chilling out theres no real point.

Joker played a huge role in what sets up TDKR so he will be mentioned in a big way. He put batman in this predicament that is considered the fall he is rising from. Its going to be interesting to see how they play this out, but Id say hit it with a recast if the character still has a role to play even if its not a main role. This CGI stuff doesnt sound like something Nolan would pursue imo

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

QUOTE=El Payaso;19295879]If that's the case then I'd rather he had died.[/QUOTE]

Why?

Nolan let him live because he respects the enduring battle between Batman and Joker, and unlike many directors, he recognizes that as a key element of comic book storytelling (villain is incarcerated, or escapes, or in any way "lives to torment the hero another day").

But that doesn't mean it literally has to happen in the next installment, especially if that next installment is going to be your last time getting a chance to play in this sandbox (why repeat yourself?). There's a medium ground between making a villain a "one and done" deal like Nicholson's Joker, and turning it into Lex freakin' Luthor, showing up in every damned installment. Joker doesn't die in the comics, but that doesn't mean he shows up in every issue.

No one would expect him to return without these crazy rumors. Just like no one expected Jim Carrey's Riddler to return. He's in Arkham. It's cool to think that "he's out there" in this imaginary universe, and after the credits roll on TDKR, maybe he and Batman will have another adventure in some Last Action Hero reality where the lives of fictional characters go on while we're not watching.

 

[Bat-Mite]

Pure B.S.

Nolan is far too smart to allow something like this into one of his films.

It would completely overshadow everything else. Every cast member's hard work would be completely pushed aside, and THIS would be the number one spotlight story concerning the film. On the cover of every magazine.

When you're trying to escape out of the shadow of one of the biggest movies of all time and create something that can be accepted as a worthy followup, you don't piggyback off that movie's dead star. It would be The Dark Knight's inadequate stepbrother.

It needs to be its own monster. Let the Joker rest for one damn movie.

Not to mention that this speculation that Joker would be in the third one stems from a quote from Goyer shortly after Batman Begins' release. He said Joker would be in the third one to scar Harvey Dent. We all know how TDK turned out, so there's no guarantee that Joker would have been in it even if Ledger had lived. But people still feel the need to make a fuss about it as if Goyer and Nolan had said, "Joker will be in this movie no matter what!" He probably would have been in it for a cameo similar in length to what Scarecrow had in TDK, but that's it.

 

[raynorWilm]

I saw this rumor posted from a crummy source by a friend on FB and it is pretty ridiculous that this is circulating. Nolan has come out and said already that he won't be in it. And when I went back to look at a site where this rumor came from, the story is updated with a message saying WB is saying it's not true.

Just one in probably a long time of false stories we'll be getting about will or will not happen in the film until it actually opens...

 

[ChrisB]

Warner Bros. responded to this rumor. "It's just not real".
http://batman-news.com/2010/11/30/poll-joker-cameo-in-the-dark-knight-rises/

 

[Ledlunar]

hmmm if they did use footage that works and execute it properly which I doubt would be the problem with Nolan, Yeah that would be cool.

 

[Capt Throbberson]

As much as I'd love to see the character again, no Joker cameo. At best it'd still feel like a gimmick. They should mention him being locked up in Arkham under heavy security somewhere in the movie. He did enough in TDK that just the fact that he's still in Gotham means that the city is in danger and Batman's presence is justified.

 

[chicagobat]

Very easy to call if they are actually considering this and want to keep the cat in the bag.

You're all forgetting the footage of him in the back seat of a GPD squad car after being taken into custody after the semi-truck flip. This could easily be integrated into a TDKR prologue, not unlike the scenes opening TDK with the Mayor on Mike Engels' show and Gordon waiting on the rooftop with Ramirez for Batman at MCU. It could easily be used in background footage on a television set of a news broadcast showing the terrorist known as the Joker taken into custody after his confrontation with Batman at the Prewitt Building... I think it could be a simple, logical, and classy homage.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

I was hoping this was true, but thinking about it all, it's all bs.

He would only go the time, trouble, and risk besmirching HL's memory and perfromance, if there was a good dramatic reason for his appearance.
And you can't have a good dramatic reason for his appearance if he is not doing anything in the scene bar laughing from a cell/sitting in a cop car/appearing to Batman in a hallucination(echoes of Batman Triumphant, so I don't think that would happen somehow).

No chance, move on, new villans, new movie, blah blah blah.

 

[batman11]

Awwww, so his tears are what are going to make the artistic decisions? Next director please.

Good call. We all know know Nolan wears his heart on his sleeve too much. Let's get rid of him before it's too late, and give someone else the chance to complete Nolan's story in the third film. I'm sure WB is of the same train of thought.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Cameo? LOL.

Re-cast the mf and have the Joker in the third film. What's so difficult about it?

C'mon man, it is difficult because it is an incredibly difficult situation, it's not like the Rachel Dawes or Jim Rhodes re-casting, or even Batman-recasting of the last movies, not in the slightest teeny weeny tiniest bit.

and I am naming that fruit and stating the obvious here, but the reasons are, because
a. It is one of the most acclaimed performances of recent times, and will doubtless be one of the all timers.
b. Sadly, the guy died, and it was his last movie.

Now, there is such a thing as talking an artistic risk, and every artist has to weigh up the pros and cons all the time, but this one is just too weighty, if you were even lucky enough to cast the best guy in the world who could replace him, there would still be a every chance that he would not measure up.
Why? Because he would have to be riffing on an already established, and very personal performance.
It would be less automatically just by not being Ledger, without a doubt, it would be a frickin' downer just watching what would amount to a pretender Joker. Because he would be, pretending to be Ledger, pretending to be the Joker. Whereas Ledger only had the job of having to become the Joker, the new guy would have the job of pretending to be two guys, forget it, no matter what, it would be a letdown.
And because the guy died, and it is a historic performance, far too much focus would be put on the new Joker, it's lesser effect would permeate the feel of the whole movie, it would be inevitable, maybe you can detatch yourself from that, but I wouldn't be able to, and I guess a lot of fans wouldn't be able to either, hence why you are the only one calling for it on this thread so far.
It would just be a bit rubbish in comparison, forget it, Nolan wants a movie that is at least as good, if not better than the last one, and that artistic risk, is no risk at all, it would bring down the movie artistically as a whole, by the very nature of the circumstances of it's conception.

 

[Tequilla]

I think Joker should be referenced , his actions in the previous movie were too big to be left unnoticed but he doesnt need a cameo. The idea of cgi is just absurd

 

[conan69]

Batman walks through a long hallway in Arkham Asylum.

A janitor is mopping the floor as Batsy walks by. "Whoa. Watch it there, Batman. It's slippery. So what brings you here? Dr. Crane causin' trouble again?"

Joker cackles in a nearby cell.

Batman seemingly doesn't notice, "No. I'm wanted for murder and every cop in town is after my ass, but I felt like takin' a stroll. This seemed to be as good of a place as any. Hey, don't I know you?"

"Yeah, you do...

Spoiler

I sold you some falafel once."

Spoiler

1. You do realize Batman uses stealth and ninja type tactics which allow him to move around UNDETECTED.

You do realize that ...dont you?

2. We dont know when Batman will be redeemed in the eyes of the public or the police in TDKR.

3. CGI isnt needed,and I'd prefer if Ledger was left alone - but I agree with the previous poster. The character should be acknowledged after the chaos of TDK.


BTW, The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnasus was really Ledgers last movie.

 

[brando76]

for me the only way Nolan can use Joker, is near the end, he can shot a great escape from arkam and cut in the little cut scene of joker in the car after the party scene of TDK, so we can see a car drive fast away from arkam and after Gordon call Batman to looking for the fugitive Joker for many many future adventures....

i will love to see the third movie end in this way and pay a tribute to ledger's joker one more time... no CGI, just a little TDK cut scene utilized with smart...

but Nolan is a great director we must wait for his decisions, but i think that little cut form TDK, was for a future purpose ; )

... and don't forget Ledger shot the handcam scenes himself, so probably there is much of it, ledger experiment in front of camera ; )

 

[RustyCage]

Good call. We all know know Nolan wears his heart on his sleeve too much. Let's get rid of him before it's too late, and give someone else the chance to complete Nolan's story in the third film. I'm sure WB is of the same train of thought.

I think I like you.

 

[Bat-Mite]

1. You do realize Batman uses stealth and ninja type tactics which allow him to move around UNDETECTED.

You do realize that ...dont you?

Duuuuuuurrrrrrrr... no, I never figured that out. LIEUTENANT DAAAAAAYAAAN.

What's he going to do? Lurk on a staircase somewhere, then hop down to have a nice chat with Joker when the coast is clear? Unless the villain was Harley Quinn (and unless she's played by Crispin Glover, DO NOT WANT), then Batman wouldn't have any need to speak with him and certainly wouldn't want to, because she's the only villain the Joker would really have any insight into, IMO. Not to mention the fact that Batman's smart enough by now to realize he'll never get any straight answers from the Joker. He can only hope for half-truths at best.

2. We dont know when Batman will be redeemed in the eyes of the public or the police in TDKR.

It's a safe bet that it will be closer to the end of the movie than to the beginning. I can't see it happening early on, to the point where the officials at Arkham would be hunky dory with him being there or interrogating their patients.

3. CGI isnt needed,and I'd prefer if Ledger was left alone - but I agree with the previous poster. The character should be acknowledged after the chaos of TDK.

Acknowledged, yes, as in mentioned in conversation. Showing his cell would be more than adequate, IMO, but some of these ideas for him are silly, forced, and would take people out of the movie. If he's in there, I want it to be for a reason, and not showing him just for the sake of making the fans mess their pants. If they decide to use that footage of him in the police car at the beginning of the film, though, I think that would be an awesome way to connect the two films and show him without it being cheesy.

 

[TheBatman072]

Warner Bros. responded to this rumor. "It's just not real".
http://batman-news.com/2010/11/30/poll-joker-cameo-in-the-dark-knight-rises/

Well that's that.

 

[Bat-Mite]

Warner Bros. responded to this rumor. "It's just not real".
http://batman-news.com/2010/11/30/poll-joker-cameo-in-the-dark-knight-rises/

Praise the Lawd!

 

[El Payaso]

C'mon man, it is difficult because it is an incredibly difficult situation,

I agree. Most of times difficult situations are difficult due to them being difficult.

it's not like the Rachel Dawes or Jim Rhodes re-casting, or even Batman-recasting of the last movies, not in the slightest teeny weeny tiniest bit.

Agree again. Joker is EASIEST to re-cast than those examples. Joker’s make-up came before his face, it WAS his face. A different actor (wuth a similar face even when not a clone of Ledger) in the same make-up will be the Joker.

Whereas with Rachel we all could see that she suddenly had a completely different face in the second movie.

and I am naming that fruit and stating the obvious here, but the reasons are, because
a. It is one of the most acclaimed performances of recent times, and will doubtless be one of the all timers.

Yes, maybe.

So?

Will Joker never be able to be portrayed again because of this?

Now I have information that there seems to be other talented actors out there.

b. Sadly, the guy died, and it was his last movie.

Yes.

So? What does that have to do with anything here? In fact, isn’t that the very reason why re-cast would be necessary?

BTW: Incorrect info. Ledger’s last movie was “The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus.” Ledger died in the middle of the shooting and guess what? He was re-cast within that very movie, go figure.

Now, there is such a thing as talking an artistic risk, and every artist has to weigh up the pros and cons all the time, but this one is just too weighty, if you were even lucky enough to cast the best guy in the world who could replace him, there would still be a every chance that he would not measure up.

Sure. So every director who has to make a movie with roles that are just too difficult to play, well they should just give up and desist becauise it could be too difficult.

Let’s accept it, Ledger was talented but there are other talented actors. The Joker, as any character, doesn’t die with the actors that portray him.

Why? Because he would have to be riffing on an already established, and very personal performance.

Yes, it is an interesting challenge. But it was as personal as any interpretation. It’s difficult but that’s no reason to not to do it.

It would be less automatically just by not being Ledger, without a doubt, it would be a frickin' downer just watching what would amount to a pretender Joker. Because he would be, pretending to be Ledger, pretending to be the Joker. Whereas Ledger only had the job of having to become the Joker, the new guy would have the job of pretending to be two guys, forget it, no matter what, it would be a letdown.

Wrong approach: he wouldn’t be pretending being Ledger. He would be pretending being the Joker just as Ledger did. And under the same approach.

And because the guy died, and it is a historic performance,

Define ‘historic poerformance.’ And please explain what’s the point behind ‘the man died.’ Actors die. Their roles, especially those who have been portrayed before by different actors and have been born decades earlier than the actors themselves, will live on.

far too much focus would be put on the new Joker, it's lesser effect would permeate the feel of the whole movie,

What “lesser effect”? The one that’s in your head? Or did you actually see a Nolan’s Batman movie with the Joker in it performed by a different actor so you know?

it would be inevitable, maybe you can detatch yourself from that, but I wouldn't be able to, and I guess a lot of fans wouldn't be able to either, hence why you are the only one calling for it on this thread so far.

Well, I have to agree, your personal inability to accept a Joker portrayed by a different actor before you have even seen it, is the point here.

It would just be a bit rubbish in comparison,

So you actually saw that possible future Nolan’s Batman movie with a different actor portraying the Joker? Or you are somehow certain that there aren’t any more talented actors other than Ledger out there.

forget it, Nolan wants a movie that is at least as good, if not better than the last one,

I don’t remember well but I think he actually said that he was after making a good movie, not topping anything previosuly done. At this point we both might as well be merely specualting about what Nolan wants.

and that artistic risk, is no risk at all, it would bring down the movie artistically as a whole, by the very nature of the circumstances of it's conception.

It doesn’t have to be like that at all. Artistic risk is artistic risk.Difficulties doesn’t mean you have to “forget it.”

 

[El Payaso]

Good call. We all know know Nolan wears his heart on his sleeve too much. Let's get rid of him before it's too late, and give someone else the chance to complete Nolan's story in the third film. I'm sure WB is of the same train of thought.

I don't. And I don't want him to go, but if he is - as someone else suggested - making artistic decisions based on his personal extra-artistic feelings then he should not make them at all.

 

[TheBatman072]

I don't. And I don't want him to go, but if he is - as someone else suggested - making artistic decisions based on his personal extra-artistic feelings then he should not make them at all.

all or nothing!! ALL OR NOTHING!! Never an in-between!! Ever!! Off with their heads!!

 

[El Payaso]

all or nothing!! ALL OR NOTHING!! Never an in-between!! Ever!! Off with their heads!!

You can't flip a coin expecting to get 70% heads and 30% tails.

 

[The Joker]

I always loved this pic. Pure Joker.

 

[TheBatman072]

You can't flip a coin expecting to get 70% heads and 30% tails.

That's really cool. Thank you for sharing that.