Details on Sandman's car chase scene...

[The Infernal]

Nit-picking is wanting the effects to be great as opposed to so-so? Then I could say the other side is nit-picking, or stretching when they say it's FANtastic. If he disposes of Spidey, he can make his get away. I would rather see Sandy's powers, by smashing the Armored Car off the road as opposed to the out of control armored car being driven into other cars. It just makes for much better "Must See" TV...errr.. movie.

And a surfin Spidey on a car door SCREAMS Cheese to me... it DOES NOT scream Spidey agility to me.

But hey... you guys love it. Good for you. I was hoping for a more serious approach to the legend that is Spider-Man, one that pays tribute to the many classic storylines that have been told in the comics, NOT this tribute to the Saturday morning cartoon version of the hero (COWABUNGA DUDE)...

Hopefully, this one sceen, cheese and ALL is not indictive of the overall approach to the movie, especially given the cheesy (powerwise and storywise) villain they selected, AND the regulation of Venom to a mere cameo if the rumors are true.

And IF Harry's costume does come off as "Lord of the Snow" (LOL.. thanks V4Life )... and if his story takes second fiddle to ole Sandy... this movie and franchise is headed in the wrong direction.

How can you argue about effects or the story when you haven't seen them? You're jumping to conclusions about the scene in general because the character did something you don't want him to. You're arguing action over story. You can't then go back and claim that this one action will hurt the story.

You keep saying the scene will be cheesy without anything to back up your claim. As far as I can see he's actually doing something very logical when stealing, trying to get away with the money.

You're worried about Spider agility? What about swinging after a speeding truck, trying to land on it (assuming it's still moving), avoiding Sandman who may use his powers to stop Spidey as well as crashing the van. Spidey will have to avoid getting injured in the crash, possibly help pedestrians and then I expect that he will be forced to take Sandman on in the middle of the street.

As for GG2 and Venom, I have to agree. I hope that it isn't as rumoured either.

Edit: Just thought about what you said about the other side nit-picking. You are right. There are some here who are going to blindly say everythng's cool, but as long as both the for and against camps can debate things properly then hopefuly others will think about using this method. Who knows?

Though I don't happen to consider myself one of them as I try to make my assumptions based on what I know and I'm not going to support a movie if it turns out bad. I'm optimistic from liking the first two but if the Q&A's are to be believed then I've something to fear.

 

[Silverstein]

All these hardcore debates and such and the film didn't even come out yet.

 

[Visionary]

Yeah, luckily for you this film is fulfilling your every fantasy; its everything you've ever dreamed of, upon seeing it your life will have reached its nadir. You may as well just immolate yourself outside the theatre after the first viewing! Nothing that could ever top S-M3 will be possible in your life; you could die happy right then and there.

However... if that were NOT the case, you would be out here complaining just as loudly as anyone else. You can pretend you wouldn't be complaining, but we all know that would be a lie - since you do little here *but* complain [just about other subjects, as in, people you disagree with]. You like complaining, you just think we should all ONLY complain about stuff you think is worthy of a complaint.

Grow up. This fantasy of yours will not come to pass: we will complain just as much as we like, and you will be right here sucking it all in like some oversized furry green vacuum-cleaner. 'Cause that's what you do: feed off other's complaints.

This is like listening to Charlie Brown's teacher.

 

[The Infernal]

lol @ Visionary. That's cheap man.

 

[TheSlag]

How can you argue about effects or the story when you haven't seen them? You're jumping to conclusions about the scene in general because the character did something you don't want him to. You're arguing action over story. You can't then go back and claim that this one action will hurt the story.

You keep saying the scene will be cheesy without anything to back up your claim. As far as I can see he's actually doing something very logical when stealing, trying to get away with the money.

Does anyone read anymore? You're confusing and mixing up two separate things. 1) I said the CHEESE was Surfing Spidey... COWABUNGA DOOOD!!! 2) I said Sandy driving the armored car and the effect being based on *gasp* an out of control armored car crashing into a parked car *yawn* when you have two superpowered beings is... "lame".

You're worried about Spider agility? What about swinging after a speeding truck, trying to land on it (assuming it's still moving), avoiding Sandman who may use his powers to stop Spidey as well as crashing the van. Spidey will have to avoid getting injured in the crash, possibly help pedestrians and then I expect that he will be forced to take Sandman on in the middle of the street.

Again, I'm worried about the CHEESE of Surfin Spidey, as far as anything to do with Spidey's agility. I would think one with Spidey's agility would have NOTHING to do with "SURFIN USA" on a car door. Maybe I just have higher standards than "Cheeeeeese Pizza".

As for GG2 and Venom, I have to agree. I hope that it isn't as rumoured either.

Edit: Just thought about what you said about the other side nit-picking. You are right. There are some here who are going to blindly say everythng's cool, but as long as both the for and against camps can debate things properly then hopefuly others will think about using this method. Who knows?

Though I don't happen to consider myself one of them as I try to make my assumptions based on what I know and I'm not going to support a movie if it turns out bad. I'm optimistic from liking the first two but if the Q&A's are to be believed then I've something to fear.

Finally, a voice of reason. Well said. And trust me, I will see the movie just about regardless, but THAT will NOT make it acceptable if they don't do it right. And AGAIN, I'm NOT saying this ONE scene means the movie will blow, I'm just judging the ONE scene, and IMO... it's a waste of good effects, and the SURFIN USA SPIDEY... needs to be cut. Period.

 

[TheSlag]

This is like listening to Charlie Brown's teacher.

I fear anything more than monosyllable is like that... to you.

 

[Liquid Snake]

wow biggest cry baby ever? probably, crying for 3 pages over some set pictures.

 

[TheSlag]

wow biggest cry baby ever? probably, crying for 3 pages over some set pictures.

No one wants to hear you talk about yourself... Trust me.

 

[The Infernal]

Does anyone read anymore? You're confusing and mixing up two separate things. 1) I said the CHEESE was Surfing Spidey... COWABUNGA DOOOD!!! 2) I said Sandy driving the armored car and the effect being based on *gasp* an out of control armored car crashing into a parked car *yawn* when you have two superpowered beings is... "lame".

Again, I'm worried about the CHEESE of Surfin Spidey, as far as anything to do with Spidey's agility. I would think one with Spidey's agility would have NOTHING to do with "SURFIN USA" on a car door. Maybe I just have higher standards than "Cheeeeeese Pizza".

Finally, a voice of reason. Well said. And trust me, I will see the movie just about regardless, but THAT will NOT make it acceptable if they don't do it right. And AGAIN, I'm NOT saying this ONE scene means the movie will blow, I'm just judging the ONE scene, and IMO... it's a waste of good effects, and the SURFIN USA SPIDEY... needs to be cut. Period.

Fair enough. I missed the surfing spidey comment. I've been up all night and I'm not perfect. I got the impression you meant the whole thing would be cheesy and argued my point on that. Much of which still stands. I'm waiting until I've seen it until I judge it. If it is rubbish then I'll easily enter into a thread and agree with you on it.

 

[The Infernal]

No one wants to hear you talk about yourself... Trust me.

OK, I should have done this sooner but I'm leaving this thread before 'I am rubber, you are glue' comes into play.

 

[TheSlag]

Fair enough. I missed the surfing spidey comment. I've been up all night and I'm not perfect. I got the impression you meant the whole thing would be cheesy and argued my point on that. Much of which still stands. I'm waiting until I've seen it until I judge it. If it is rubbish then I'll easily enter into a thread and agree with you on it.

Fair enough, but I simply said the effects of the armored car crashing(? more like brushing into) the parked car was a wasted effect. I would rather have seen the same effect (OK... a more impressive crash too) used as an effect for Sandy laying into the armored car. Smashing it sideways into the parked cars, or better yet, into a building.

 

[TheSlag]

OK, I should have done this sooner but I'm leaving this thread before 'I am rubber, you are glue' comes into play.

Ooops... wrong guy.


Good. But just remember Mr. Glue (Liquid Snake)... was the first to throw out Childish Names. If you don't like the heat, I guess IT IS BEST to leave the kitchen after all.

 

[Symbiotica]

I guess simple minds are happy with simple concepts like guys made of sand crashing armored cars: this is good, Sam and Sony both need your cash. Enjoy

 

[The Caped Knight]

Hey all, im an extra for Spiderman 3 in Cleveland and I got to talking with the AD. I was lucky enough to get him to spill the beans on the main scene that theyre filming here.

basically what he told me was that the scene starts out with Sandman on top of a building watching the armorded trucks being loaded. And as they drive away Sandman jumps on the truck and breaks through the top. He starts filling the whole truck with sand and its making the truck hard to drive so he loses control and crashes into and GTO and a Chevy SS, which is the crash they filmed Yesterday.

After that Spidey comes to the scene swinging in. Sandman throws or shoots sand at Spidey trying to knock him down but to no avail. The car is now being controlled by Sandman and hes trying to hit cars into Spiderman who is now on the back of the truck, he smashes into two cars on the right side of the street. One of the cars flips up and back, and Spiderman has to do a "matrix" to avoid under it. The the door from the second car of that collision flies off and Spiderman catches it under his feet and is now "surfing" on the door avoiding more cars while hes web slinged to the back or the armored truck. That crash was shot today. Then he got short because he had to go but he said the scene ended with a big 4 car crash with the the trucke flipping over another car.

Theres going to be even more crashes that they have yet to film, there are still about 2 sets of 3 chained cars that they havent used yet.

Thats all he gave me but he said hed talk to me again tomorrow. So I guess ill have more then.

thanks for the info .

 

[Nebins]

Symbiotica I get the feeling you have your heart set on hating this movie. Do you even plan on seeing it?

 

[Symbiotica]

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[General_Grievous]

I guess simple minds are happy with simple concepts like guys made of sand crashing armored cars: this is good, Sam and Sony both need your cash. Enjoy

Sam and Sony are welcome to the small amount of cash that I will donate to them in grateful thanks for receiving a few hours of escapist entertainment.

When the alternative is listening to endless bickering about absolutely trivial issues, I can't wait to sit in the movie theatre and forget about all that crap.

 

[POWdER-man]

I never understood why there are those who do nothing but complain about a movie that hasn't even been finished filming and state they are not planning on watching the movie. But then they spend a good portion of their "precious" time sitting in the Spider-Man 3 spoiler forum complaining about any new news that comes in about a movie they apparently have no desire in seeing.

And wouldn't that be the exact definition of trolling. Entering a thread with the sole purpose of causing trouble and upsetting as many individuals as possible. Since your intention is NOT to watch the movie, than why enter a forum that has no interests to you? If you don't want to see the movie, FINE. LEAVE. Easy as that.

There are those here who STILL actually want to see this movie.

I am in no way saying this movie is going to be the greatest thing since slice bread, but I AM DAMN WELL STILL LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING IT. And after actually watching it I will make my decision on whether it was a good movie or not.

 

[Symbiotica]

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[POWdER-man]

Unfortunately, "trolling" is not so easily defined: trolling is not having a different opinion from someone else. By your definition, I could call YOU a troll because you're responding to my post in a hostile manner.

I am not leaving. Especially not because you or anyone else says to. If I distress you, or anyone that much then first I feel a little sorry for you, because obviously you get upset easily... and second, why subject yourself? You have an "ignore" option - use it.

I find it enormously amusing that my stated intention to probably not see the film is taken as a personal declaration of war by so many. People come out of the woodwork with the flamethrowers every time I say it. Take a deep breath, my not seeing a movie is not the end of Western civilisation.

*sigh*

I figured I would get a reply for you symb. I never singled one person out, go back and reread my post. I never intended to direct my post to anyone in particular but there are a few posters in this forum, who I would classify under that heading.

I am simply making an observation of what I have seen of late which I have discussed with others, and they agree.

Replying to your post a hostile manner? 1. I didn't reply to your post, I just simply chose this thread since it's obviously off topic, and it certainly doesn't warrant a new thread on the subject. Everything is not all about you symb. 2. I am in a calm manner and stating something that has been on my mind for awhile. As there was no intended hostility, I am not sure what you mean.

Well you could continue to laugh, but if you enjoy laughing for no reason be my guest. I certainly don't get worked up regarding this, it's just that I have realized that this place would be better off without certain individuals bringing their negative attitude inside each thread.

It's fine to dislike certain points, that's what strikes up debate, but to simply say this scene will be cheesy/lame and therefore the movie will suck is just being ignorant. You have already made up your mind about the movie so whatever comes out from now until then doesn't matter.

Again, the choosing not to see the movie was not directed at you. There have been several others who have made that same claim, and personally I couldn't care less. It's the fact that there are those who choose to dislike everything about the movie, but still come in here on a daily basis trying to stir up trouble by stating things like:

You have fun with that EARTHSHAKING VILLAIN, SANDMAN now, as he [gasp!] crashes armored cars and [gasp!] fills armored cars with sand, as you sit on the end of your seat, spellbound with delight. Holy cow! Step aside Norman Osborn, feel the fear Otto Octavius, for both of you have been outclassed! WOOOOOOOOW can it get any more intense?! I dunno, but stay tuned bat-fans: MJ may show up braless again, and that'll be the final capper to this mind-bending feast of the imagination!

If you don't like the scene fine, state the reasons why, but keeping in mind you haven't seen the finished product. This comment however is not constructive and it is an attempt to be demeaning to those who actually think possibly it is going to be a good scene.

No need to reply, if you want to, PM me because this is way off topic and I am not interested in discussing it here.

 

[SLYspyder]

I have to admit that I think the battle scenes in this film will be much better than the second film... look at how much of an improvement the second one had over the first... granted the second one could've even been better but the first film's action scenes were horrendous, especially when he's gone to save MJ from those crooks before upside down kiss and the last battle too. Spidey didn't kick enough ass at all, all he did was twirl around once, shoot a web at soem bricks and made them fall on a power rangeresque green goblin who starts screaming aaaghhh noooo just cuz of a wall of bricks... how does a damn wall of bricks hurt someone like the green goblin, it may... but SCARE him? he was putting his arms up like a friggin baby, that annoyed the hell out of me. The spider-man swings and carries him (like a mother to a child) and gently puts him against another brick wall and starts hitting him with these ever so weak typical HUMAN sucker punches... how ghey.

When spidey pounded a bad guy in the comcis, it was HUGE, not just a whap... bif, bop... it was POW and you could feel the bad guy almost fly out of the panel, especially when he went after Goblin after Gwen's death or when he absolutely battered the VERMIN in that one issue, he kept on smashing him over and over...

The other thing that's always been a classic from the cartoons and comics for a GG vs Spidey fight is spidey spinning a web which catches onto the Goblin's glider and the goblin takes him for a "ride." Those moments are so bad ass with spidey trying to hang on while the goblin swish flies inbetween buildings and up sky scrapers before smashing spidey into a building.

Like these shots (i couldn't find a bigger version of it but it perfectly shows what i'm talking about)

We needed to see Spidey fight with Goblin MORE IN THE CITY with rotating, twisting camera angles that should be mildly nauseating to give a very cool effect. Spidey against the glass while Goblin thrwos a grenade at him and him jumping off at the Goblin and latching on.

or more upside down camera angles like this

Some seriously missed opportunities for huge aerial fight scenes with swinging cameras around them making USE of the city around them as they go from point to point... thankfully this was done more more well in Spidey 2 but i'm seriously hoping for some scenes like this in the third film. More city wide aerial action WITH MORE FEATS OF SUPER HUMAN STRENGTH... whenever spidey punches someone it reminds me of the old stupid nicholas hammond show... Spidey should SMASH and the guy should go a certain distance or feel the pain immensely, unlike Doc Ock who took about 15-20 full on 10 ton pressure punches and was human and didn't even flinch.

Spidey NEEDS to be unleashed in this film huge time... the Cameron scriptment still has it best when Sandman and Spidey are slugging it out on the bridge, they're breaking each other apart even though spidey is losing cuz of Sandman being sand, they're smashing each other

i agree with you entirely. i didnt even think much about the brick wall and the goblin but now that you mentioned it, GG DID look like a cake.

 

[SLYspyder]

I hope there's an end result to this car chase. Like the armored truck gets wrecked and it's Spider-Man vs. Sandman in the middle of the street, with Sandman beating the **** out of him because he ruined his plan. Because I'm certainly not gonna pay to see a movie where ANY spider-man super-villain is using a CAR to get away.

 

[POWdER-man]

The truck does flip over...(see picture thread) after hitting a garbage truck. At that time SM/Sandman will get into it but I don't have any further details than that.

 

[TheSlag]

Unfortunately, "trolling" is not so easily defined: trolling is not having a different opinion from someone else. By your definition, I could call YOU a troll because you're responding to my post in a hostile manner.

The post people are flapping their little wings about in here wasn't even addressed to the forum as a whole, it was addressed specifically at Visionary - someone who has proven their propensity for annoying opinions long before I ever showed up. But that's okay now, because he loves this movie. Right? Nice double-standard you lot have going.

I am not leaving. Especially not because you or anyone else says to. If I distress you, or anyone that much then first I feel a little sorry for you, because obviously you get upset easily... and second, why subject yourself? You have an "ignore" option - use it.

I find it enormously amusing that my stated intention to probably not see the film is taken as a personal declaration of war by so many. People come out of the woodwork with the flamethrowers every time I say it. Take a deep breath, my not seeing a movie is not the end of Western civilisation.

[sits back and waits for the wing-flapping to recommence: she had an opinion! And it wasn't like mine! OH NOOOOOOES!]

IMO, those who are critical of the film, NOT NEGATIVE like some imply (notice I did NOT mention anyONE specifically either )... are the TRUE fans of Spider-Man, and DO NOT just want a movie with the name Spider-Man, or a villain by name only of Venom.

 

[TheSlag]

If you don't like the scene fine, state the reasons why, but keeping in mind you haven't seen the finished product. This comment however is not constructive and it is an attempt to be demeaning to those who actually think possibly it is going to be a good scene.

No need to reply, if you want to, PM me because this is way off topic and I am not interested in discussing it here.

1) She did state her reasons
2) Keep in Mind that YOU have NOT seen the finished product EITHER... and yet you and others think it's going to be a GREAT scene
3) No need to reply, since you got in the last word, and don't want to be schooled in public... *got you down*